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Sparky14 · 05-31-2009, 07:58 PM

Madanzig, I am no hot shot at selecting plants...I am consigned to outdoor growing, but I try anyway. My question:

Would Blue Streak more or less breed out true if I come up with a decent looking male in the pack I just germed?

Thanks in advance...

05-31-2009, 09:44 PM

If by true, you mean will the offspring of a male and female be fully autoflowering?

Yes.

Sparky14 · 06-01-2009, 01:31 AM

That would be good, as in the north central US we need a hedge against disaster...I guess I am wondering if the range of phenos would be true.

As an example, I bred guerilla gold two years ago, and while the pack I got from greenz and mr. Clone was consistent, the subsequent generation was strangely different. Things are hard to predict outside, but I was careful with my pollen.

Maybe someone can help me understand the difference between stable and unstable hybrids.

BurmeseDragon · 06-01-2009, 01:36 AM

Well inbreeding can have issues, from a small gene pool. As well as a slight tendency for the proceeding generations to adapt genetically to their new environment. But that takes a long time to over power the long history of genetic traits developed in a native area. It would take an afghan a very long time to change it's genetic sequence to be an American Afghani.....thousands of years, but inbreeding can show changes aside from genetic adaptation/mutation...........that is really your issue on hand.

AdvancedGenetix · 06-09-2009, 09:12 PM

Yes but it could adapt in 30 years to American enviroment.

NWGanjaFarmer · 08-16-2009, 09:14 AM

i grew master low out and they all have autoflowered. though there is a much higher range of random phenos. for instance i have had several plants that took about 2 weeks longer to flower and while they did autoflower got very tall. i have also had super micro plants that just never got any larger. lots of stuff inbetween. not that big of a deal usualy its only 1 or 2 and can be picked out in first couple of weeks of growing. but its a much higher rate then the auto flowering seeds i have bought.

i figure its from taking 20 plants and picking the best to breed and from a breeder taking sometimes dozens or hundreds and breeding consistantly for generations. 1 grow with limited genetics can also magnify problems etc. none the less it will auto flower if thats the original question. from my experience anyway.

Archstanton420 · 08-16-2009, 03:21 PM

Like is stated in my other post, NW GanjaFarmer, you are working with what we call a genetic bottleneck breeding experiment. Give it time and you'll soon have it all dialed in. It's what we did with corn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck

NWGanjaFarmer · 08-16-2009, 10:36 PM

Funny how you use corn as an example... i do all the time most people don't realize how far that plant has come with our help. i agree though its just a matter of getting it dialed in. i don't seem to be able to find your other post on the subject though. would love to read it. planing on doing 2 more grows for seed myself this winter. both will likely deal with AF strains.

**S_a_H** · 08-16-2009, 11:23 PM

I am sending in 10 packs of the Blue Streak and 10 packs of MishMash for the Icmag support auction tomorrow.

These Blue Streak are not the same as what is available out there now.

Archstanton420 · 08-19-2009, 12:25 AM

only 2 of my seeds look like those! The others were small and darker! What the hell, I am going to start 2 more righ now. The one little plant I have is doing alright but no telling what sex it is??? When I pollinate and make my own seeds I hope to get seeds like those!

05-31-2009, 07:58 PM	#1
Sparky14 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 36	breeding Blue Streak... Madanzig, I am no hot shot at selecting plants...I am consigned to outdoor growing, but I try anyway. My question: Would Blue Streak more or less breed out true if I come up with a decent looking male in the pack I just germed? Thanks in advance...
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05-31-2009, 09:44 PM	#2
Denial N Error Guest Posts: n/a	If by true, you mean will the offspring of a male and female be fully autoflowering? Yes.
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06-01-2009, 01:31 AM	#3
Sparky14 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 36	That would be good, as in the north central US we need a hedge against disaster...I guess I am wondering if the range of phenos would be true. As an example, I bred guerilla gold two years ago, and while the pack I got from greenz and mr. Clone was consistent, the subsequent generation was strangely different. Things are hard to predict outside, but I was careful with my pollen. Maybe someone can help me understand the difference between stable and unstable hybrids.
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06-01-2009, 01:36 AM	#4
BurmeseDragon Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 947	Well inbreeding can have issues, from a small gene pool. As well as a slight tendency for the proceeding generations to adapt genetically to their new environment. But that takes a long time to over power the long history of genetic traits developed in a native area. It would take an afghan a very long time to change it's genetic sequence to be an American Afghani.....thousands of years, but inbreeding can show changes aside from genetic adaptation/mutation...........that is really your issue on hand.
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06-09-2009, 09:12 PM	#5
AdvancedGenetix Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 28	Yes but it could adapt in 30 years to American enviroment. __________________ Cannabis researcher - or rather "becoming a researcher". Disclaimer: Nothing stated above in relation to cannabis is real. This is plain fiction. Similarity to real world and my posts is solely a random coincidence.
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08-16-2009, 09:14 AM	#6
NWGanjaFarmer New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: North West United States Posts: 10	i grew master low out and they all have autoflowered. though there is a much higher range of random phenos. for instance i have had several plants that took about 2 weeks longer to flower and while they did autoflower got very tall. i have also had super micro plants that just never got any larger. lots of stuff inbetween. not that big of a deal usualy its only 1 or 2 and can be picked out in first couple of weeks of growing. but its a much higher rate then the auto flowering seeds i have bought. i figure its from taking 20 plants and picking the best to breed and from a breeder taking sometimes dozens or hundreds and breeding consistantly for generations. 1 grow with limited genetics can also magnify problems etc. none the less it will auto flower if thats the original question. from my experience anyway.
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08-16-2009, 03:21 PM	#7
Archstanton420 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: in a filing cabinet of nosy old folks, drunks and dead beat dads. Posts: 120	Like is stated in my other post, NW GanjaFarmer, you are working with what we call a genetic bottleneck breeding experiment. Give it time and you'll soon have it all dialed in. It's what we did with corn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
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08-16-2009, 10:36 PM	#8
NWGanjaFarmer New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: North West United States Posts: 10	Funny how you use corn as an example... i do all the time most people don't realize how far that plant has come with our help. i agree though its just a matter of getting it dialed in. i don't seem to be able to find your other post on the subject though. would love to read it. planing on doing 2 more grows for seed myself this winter. both will likely deal with AF strains.
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08-16-2009, 11:23 PM	#9
S_a_H Autoflower Crusader Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Howard Johnson's Earthlight Room: Posts: 4,130	I am sending in 10 packs of the Blue Streak and 10 packs of MishMash for the Icmag support auction tomorrow. These Blue Streak are not the same as what is available out there now.
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08-19-2009, 12:25 AM	#10
Archstanton420 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: in a filing cabinet of nosy old folks, drunks and dead beat dads. Posts: 120	only 2 of my seeds look like those! The others were small and darker! What the hell, I am going to start 2 more righ now. The one little plant I have is doing alright but no telling what sex it is??? When I pollinate and make my own seeds I hope to get seeds like those!
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