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drgreenthumb · 05-23-2005, 01:44 PM

Is there a difference between female and feminised seeds? and if so could someone explain??

Many thanks

drgreenthumb · 05-24-2005, 12:43 PM

The reason i ask is becos someone at the femaleseeds team told me that they produce female and quality feminised seeds.....??

Female Seeds · 05-26-2005, 01:56 AM

The main difference between female and feminised seeds is the way they are produced.
Feminised seeds are produced with hermie's (in the worst case) and for quality feminised seeds with hermie carriers.
Female seeds are made out of pure XX or XXX or XXXX female building blocks, which need a totaly different treatment than hermie carriers.

With feminised seeds, there is a bigger chance on hermies, than with pure female seeds. Feminised seeds with more than 1 hermie out of a 100 are NOT relased in the market or with the Skunks Special with 1 out of 10 innocent hermies(after 1 week of vegging), which can be castrated. Latest tests on the Skunk Special with 4-5 weeks of vegging have shown no hermies at all !!!

Pure female seeds stay female, no matter how they are abused, based on the tests we have done. We think there still is a very very small chance 1 out of 500 up to 10000 with female seeds on a hermie (nature is hard to control).

Not al hermies are the same, basicaly there are 3 types:
1 male flowers as the first apearing flower, ( which can be castrated) on a total female plant.
2 male flowers apearing during flowering, who release pollen( non curable).
3 male bananas at the end of flowering, who don't release pollen.

We see hermie-type 1 and 3 as acceptable, when the chance of getting them is very low (depending on grow circumstances) or when explained in the seed discription.
Hermie type #2 is totally un-acceptable, seed-batches who show this kind of herminess (also with a low chance of getting them) are not sold!!

With good information on the strain, it is easy to grow 100% females with female or feminised seeds. The key to succes is keeping a good eye on them, like you wear a seatbeld when riding in a car.
Some people never wear a seatbeld and are OK most of the time.........but if something happens.....

Hope this clears things up a bit...................and if it didn't??....just forget about it!!

Blowmonkey · 06-04-2005, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Female Seeds

Feminised seeds with more than 1 hermie out of a 100 are NOT relased in the market or with the Skunks Special with 1 out of 10 innocent hermies(after 1 week of vegging), which can be castrated. Latest tests on the Skunk Special with 4-5 weeks of vegging have shown no hermies at all !!!

Out of my 10 pack feminised Purple power I've gotten 7 plants, 1 seed was rotten and 2 weaker seedlings died. After 3 1/2 weeks of 18/6; 1st week in coco soil in jiffy pots, later transferred into 2 litre pots with a 50/50 mix of all-mix & coco soil, I've seen 2 definite hermies and one possible hermie, I can't say anything about the others as of yet.

So am I just unlucky, or is the "40% stability" included on the description on your site referring to this (possible hermie traits), or is it referring to different phenotypes? Or would you say that this is due to me starting them indoors, because there's also something on your site saying they're unreliable indoors? I could've started them outdoors or on the window sil, but 3 and a half weeks ago it was pretty shitty weather here in Holland, as you might know.. I don't think that this is the cause though, they're looking fine (I think they're loving my grow-box) and haven't had any problems indoors, they've received way more light and are in better rgwoing conditions as they ever could have outdoors.

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Not al hermies are the same, basicaly there are 3 types:
1 male flowers as the first apearing flower, ( which can be castrated) on a total female plant.
2 male flowers apearing during flowering, who release pollen( non curable).
3 male bananas at the end of flowering, who don't release pollen.

Does this also apply to the feminised seeds, or are you only talking about the female seeds? I'm having trouble with number 1.

Female Seeds · 06-04-2005, 11:29 AM

Blowmonkey, good questions!!........
Purple Power is totally unreliable indoors, lot of them will turn hermie(type1) indoors on 12/12 and 18/6, because they have autoflowering genes. Somehow they stay 100% female when grown outdoors (we think it has something to do with the longer veg period)
You don't need to worrie at all , just remove the male flowers and put them on 24 hrs of light. Keep them on 24 hrs as long as possible and when they go outdoors give them as much as soil as possible. The final flowers will appear mid/end July and you will see that there will be no hermies, also the ones you have castrated will be 100% female. Hopefully we have a good September here in Holland this year and you will detect some variation in your purple's, this is the 40% stability..

Blowmonkey · 06-04-2005, 08:36 PM

Aaah, this explains a lot, thanks already. I've pinched off the little male flowers now, but, I'm looking a bit up against putting them at 24 hours of light (the fans in my growbox generate lot's of noise which can keep me pretty much awake during the night, so the whole set-up goes off during that time period), is it possible to just keep them at 18/6 for another week or so? I was gonna put them outside by then, so I'm also a bit afraid the 24 hrs of light will generate even more stress in this little time frame.

Anyways, thanks for your quick reply dude, much appreciated. And yeah, I'm hoping for a good summer as well, I think we'll have a great one this year.

Blowmonkey · 06-04-2005, 09:02 PM

AND, most importantly, your Purple Power seeds are being advertised as "female seeds" over at https://www.growshopalien.com/onlineshop/

I've ordered from this site, so it's a bit of a dissapointment when you order female seeds and later see you've actually payed for feminized seeds. Would you please try and contact them so this mis-understanding can get helped out of the world (I've already heard of people contacting them to no avail)..?

Female Seeds · 06-05-2005, 08:41 PM

We will contact Alien about this..........This thread has caused some hermiephobia amongst people who have red this thread so far...

Just to explain some more, we are talking about some first male flowers, appearing during pre-flowering on the Purple Power, an outdoor plant, (pre)grown indoors and not in the window indoors. This why there is written on every pack of outdoor seeds
''NOT recommended for indoors''.

Does this mean that some indoor pre growing can not be done???

Yes, you can...(best on 24hrs of light non stop).....In the worst case all that can happen is that some first male flowers might appear during pre flowering, who in worst case pollunate some other pre flowers, who make some seeds, then it's still the beginning of June, two months later when the plants have grown a lot and start making buds, these buds will be 100% female and seedless, there could be a few seeds on the stems below, but they could have fallen off as well ........so arround harvast time, all will be fine and dandy.

Is it save to put an Indoor-strain outdoors???
Some countries (Spain) have a perfect climat to grow an Indoor-strain outdoors. All our Indoor-strains will stay 100% female, when grown outdoors. Plants love to grow to monster-size and do their flowering.

Hope this helps a bit...

and blowmonkey.....try it then on 18/6 as long as they stay growing (with some female-pre-flowers) you'll be fine.

Blowmonkey · 06-05-2005, 10:04 PM

Thanks! :smile:

newbgrow · 06-05-2005, 10:22 PM

so are all your seeds female seeds except for the ones labeled "not reliable indoors"?
is there a clear way or a label for which ones are female and which ones are feminized?

I also noticed on your website there's the definition for female and feminized seeds and it seems the rest of your site assumes the seeds are feminized... I actually have a pack of Cinnamon seeds going, are they going to be feminized or female?

05-23-2005, 01:44 PM	#1
drgreenthumb Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25	female and feminised Is there a difference between female and feminised seeds? and if so could someone explain?? Many thanks
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05-26-2005, 01:56 AM	#3
Female Seeds Vendor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dordrecht, South Holland Posts: 684	The main difference between female and feminised seeds is the way they are produced. Feminised seeds are produced with hermie's (in the worst case) and for quality feminised seeds with hermie carriers. Female seeds are made out of pure XX or XXX or XXXX female building blocks, which need a totaly different treatment than hermie carriers. With feminised seeds, there is a bigger chance on hermies, than with pure female seeds. Feminised seeds with more than 1 hermie out of a 100 are NOT relased in the market or with the Skunks Special with 1 out of 10 innocent hermies(after 1 week of vegging), which can be castrated. Latest tests on the Skunk Special with 4-5 weeks of vegging have shown no hermies at all !!! Pure female seeds stay female, no matter how they are abused, based on the tests we have done. We think there still is a very very small chance 1 out of 500 up to 10000 with female seeds on a hermie (nature is hard to control). Not al hermies are the same, basicaly there are 3 types: 1 male flowers as the first apearing flower, ( which can be castrated) on a total female plant. 2 male flowers apearing during flowering, who release pollen( non curable). 3 male bananas at the end of flowering, who don't release pollen. We see hermie-type 1 and 3 as acceptable, when the chance of getting them is very low (depending on grow circumstances) or when explained in the seed discription. Hermie type #2 is totally un-acceptable, seed-batches who show this kind of herminess (also with a low chance of getting them) are not sold!! With good information on the strain, it is easy to grow 100% females with female or feminised seeds. The key to succes is keeping a good eye on them, like you wear a seatbeld when riding in a car. Some people never wear a seatbeld and are OK most of the time.........but if something happens..... Hope this clears things up a bit...................and if it didn't??....just forget about it!! __________________ Female Seeds Team Female Seeds, SO EASY!!
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06-04-2005, 11:29 AM	#5
Female Seeds Vendor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dordrecht, South Holland Posts: 684	Blowmonkey, good questions!!........ Purple Power is totally unreliable indoors, lot of them will turn hermie(type1) indoors on 12/12 and 18/6, because they have autoflowering genes. Somehow they stay 100% female when grown outdoors (we think it has something to do with the longer veg period) You don't need to worrie at all , just remove the male flowers and put them on 24 hrs of light. Keep them on 24 hrs as long as possible and when they go outdoors give them as much as soil as possible. The final flowers will appear mid/end July and you will see that there will be no hermies, also the ones you have castrated will be 100% female. Hopefully we have a good September here in Holland this year and you will detect some variation in your purple's, this is the 40% stability.. __________________ Female Seeds Team Female Seeds, SO EASY!!
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06-04-2005, 08:36 PM	#6
Blowmonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 172	Aaah, this explains a lot, thanks already. I've pinched off the little male flowers now, but, I'm looking a bit up against putting them at 24 hours of light (the fans in my growbox generate lot's of noise which can keep me pretty much awake during the night, so the whole set-up goes off during that time period), is it possible to just keep them at 18/6 for another week or so? I was gonna put them outside by then, so I'm also a bit afraid the 24 hrs of light will generate even more stress in this little time frame. Anyways, thanks for your quick reply dude, much appreciated. And yeah, I'm hoping for a good summer as well, I think we'll have a great one this year. __________________
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06-04-2005, 09:02 PM	#7
Blowmonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 172	AND, most importantly, your Purple Power seeds are being advertised as "female seeds" over at https://www.growshopalien.com/onlineshop/ I've ordered from this site, so it's a bit of a dissapointment when you order female seeds and later see you've actually payed for feminized seeds. Would you please try and contact them so this mis-understanding can get helped out of the world (I've already heard of people contacting them to no avail)..? __________________
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05-24-2005, 12:43 PM	#2
drgreenthumb Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25	The reason i ask is becos someone at the femaleseeds team told me that they produce female and quality feminised seeds.....??
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06-05-2005, 08:41 PM	#8
Female Seeds Vendor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dordrecht, South Holland Posts: 684	We will contact Alien about this..........This thread has caused some hermiephobia amongst people who have red this thread so far... Just to explain some more, we are talking about some first male flowers, appearing during pre-flowering on the Purple Power, an outdoor plant, (pre)grown indoors and not in the window indoors. This why there is written on every pack of outdoor seeds ''NOT recommended for indoors''. Does this mean that some indoor pre growing can not be done??? Yes, you can...(best on 24hrs of light non stop).....In the worst case all that can happen is that some first male flowers might appear during pre flowering, who in worst case pollunate some other pre flowers, who make some seeds, then it's still the beginning of June, two months later when the plants have grown a lot and start making buds, these buds will be 100% female and seedless, there could be a few seeds on the stems below, but they could have fallen off as well ........so arround harvast time, all will be fine and dandy. Is it save to put an Indoor-strain outdoors??? Some countries (Spain) have a perfect climat to grow an Indoor-strain outdoors. All our Indoor-strains will stay 100% female, when grown outdoors. Plants love to grow to monster-size and do their flowering. Hope this helps a bit... and blowmonkey.....try it then on 18/6 as long as they stay growing (with some female-pre-flowers) you'll be fine. __________________ Female Seeds Team Female Seeds, SO EASY!!
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06-05-2005, 10:04 PM	#9
Blowmonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 172	Thanks! :smile: __________________
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06-05-2005, 10:22 PM	#10
newbgrow Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 479	so are all your seeds female seeds except for the ones labeled "not reliable indoors"? is there a clear way or a label for which ones are female and which ones are feminized? I also noticed on your website there's the definition for female and feminized seeds and it seems the rest of your site assumes the seeds are feminized... I actually have a pack of Cinnamon seeds going, are they going to be feminized or female?
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