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05-23-2009, 04:22 AM

Hey all, I would like to hear some input on this.My area is 4.5' x 4.5' x 7.
I have 5 plants ,2 weeks into flower.would it be a bad idea the put away the reflector and use my bulb vertical?I have alot of a/c...plenty of fans and I want to put some more light on my girls. Seems to me the reflector wastes better than 1/2 the light. My light is 400watt hps
Any input for me ?

05-23-2009, 04:50 AM

400w vertical for that area is ok. 1 k in that area will require @ least 5k btu ac.

maintenance is issue w/ vert gardens. work out before hand how you will water/feed plant in back corner.

not always easy to rig the light vert. have surplus light for plants if cant figure out in time for dark.

place 10-18" fan facing up towards ceiling, in middle of plants.

1 1k may be max for that room, but can add couple 2' uvb fixtures, or 1 4' fixture. would not try for more in that area. should be able to get nice supply of vegetables for 5 tomato plants though!

hope this helps. enjoy your garden!

Marlo · 05-23-2009, 05:12 AM

It worked great for me. Click the link in my sig

05-23-2009, 05:34 AM

Good job Marlo. Thank you both for the advise. Manana,I'm going to hang that bulb right from the rafters.Got all the items Neccesary .
I have a feeling it will work out fine

Fluke · 05-25-2009, 12:57 AM

I was doing a vert right up until today, After a while it gets a tad monotenous turning and positioning your ladies so they get adequete light. I went back to horizontal today as I think the top colas will benefit more this way. I have mainly top colas and little side branching so this works for me. I suppose its all in the planning. I've seen some fantastic vert grows recently. I think a stadium set up is optimum for this sort of grow. I assumed I'd get a lot of variation in my plants and I could put the taller ones on the outside and the smaller ones on the inside. This diddn't happen though. All plants were very uniform apart from 2, and I have 4 different strains.
Funny when you want uniform plants it rarely happens from seed.

SuperConductor · 05-25-2009, 01:13 AM

From what I've seen turning the plants is counterproductive in vertical growing, they do much better stationary/same side facing the bulb. They use a lot of energy turning towards the light (phototropism) that would be better used making buds.

05-27-2009, 11:24 PM

Thanks for that guys. Its been 3 days and the temperatures are good plants are flowering and life is good. Any more dirt on this"phototropism" thing? I would like to know a little more about it. I mean is it really impractical to move my plants? I have been rotating them on a daily basis for 2 years
Thanks for the input

Kodiak · 05-28-2009, 02:56 PM

Hi pine boy

Here's a thread that you might want to check out, just for the info.

Rotating plant around verticle cooltubes..

C21H30O2 · 05-28-2009, 06:01 PM

You will be better off in a vert grow if you do not rotate plants. It is better that you leave them in place and let buds develop, instead place a chicken wire cage around your bulb and weave branches into it. This will insure that all foliage gets the best light without having to rotate. Remember when you rotate a plant it takes time for growth hormones to redistribute. That is time that could be used to produce more bud.

as for reaching plants in the back of the box, I built a large lazy susan which I can turn without disturbing the plants positions relative to the light.
here are a few pics of my current dual 600w vert grow. check the signature for more info.

JackSkellington · 05-29-2009, 05:07 AM

cool this is what im lookin for recently decided to do same do to money issues n not bein able to buy a bunch of cfls lol would a 400 w vert n a 40" (tall)place be a good idea i can get alote airflow through there and i have no real other limits on dim.... n C21 thts a sick setup you got there how you build that rotating thing that looks sick!! haha n do all you put chicken wire between yer plants n light?? cuz im thnkn tht the plant would grow into it eventually?? idk bout this tho nvr tried vert....any info is great thnx...sry dnt mean to jack yr thread

05-23-2009, 04:22 AM	#1
pine boy Guest Posts: n/a	I want to ditch the reflector and go vertical... Hey all, I would like to hear some input on this.My area is 4.5' x 4.5' x 7. I have 5 plants ,2 weeks into flower.would it be a bad idea the put away the reflector and use my bulb vertical?I have alot of a/c...plenty of fans and I want to put some more light on my girls. Seems to me the reflector wastes better than 1/2 the light. My light is 400watt hps Any input for me ?
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05-23-2009, 04:50 AM	#2
purpledomgoddes Guest Posts: n/a	400w vertical for that area is ok. 1 k in that area will require @ least 5k btu ac. maintenance is issue w/ vert gardens. work out before hand how you will water/feed plant in back corner. not always easy to rig the light vert. have surplus light for plants if cant figure out in time for dark. place 10-18" fan facing up towards ceiling, in middle of plants. 1 1k may be max for that room, but can add couple 2' uvb fixtures, or 1 4' fixture. would not try for more in that area. should be able to get nice supply of vegetables for 5 tomato plants though! hope this helps. enjoy your garden!
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05-23-2009, 05:34 AM	#4
pine boy Guest Posts: n/a	Good job Marlo. Thank you both for the advise. Manana,I'm going to hang that bulb right from the rafters.Got all the items Neccesary . I have a feeling it will work out fine
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05-25-2009, 12:57 AM	#5
Fluke Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 103	I was doing a vert right up until today, After a while it gets a tad monotenous turning and positioning your ladies so they get adequete light. I went back to horizontal today as I think the top colas will benefit more this way. I have mainly top colas and little side branching so this works for me. I suppose its all in the planning. I've seen some fantastic vert grows recently. I think a stadium set up is optimum for this sort of grow. I assumed I'd get a lot of variation in my plants and I could put the taller ones on the outside and the smaller ones on the inside. This diddn't happen though. All plants were very uniform apart from 2, and I have 4 different strains. Funny when you want uniform plants it rarely happens from seed.
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05-25-2009, 01:13 AM	#6
SuperConductor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,024	From what I've seen turning the plants is counterproductive in vertical growing, they do much better stationary/same side facing the bulb. They use a lot of energy turning towards the light (phototropism) that would be better used making buds. __________________ "I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." - Bill Hicks "You shouldn't say what you don't know, you shouldn't reap what you never sow" - Wayne Smith One thing I'm sure of is I know nothing
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05-27-2009, 11:24 PM	#7
pine boy Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for that guys. Its been 3 days and the temperatures are good plants are flowering and life is good. Any more dirt on this"phototropism" thing? I would like to know a little more about it. I mean is it really impractical to move my plants? I have been rotating them on a daily basis for 2 years Thanks for the input
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05-28-2009, 02:56 PM	#8
Kodiak Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Lab Posts: 459	Hi pine boy Here's a thread that you might want to check out, just for the info. Rotating plant around verticle cooltubes.. __________________ Got Some Seeds And Wanna Grow Weed? Complete Guide To Topping, Training And Pruning
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05-28-2009, 06:01 PM	#9
C21H30O2 I have ridden the mighty sandworm. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 1,229	You will be better off in a vert grow if you do not rotate plants. It is better that you leave them in place and let buds develop, instead place a chicken wire cage around your bulb and weave branches into it. This will insure that all foliage gets the best light without having to rotate. Remember when you rotate a plant it takes time for growth hormones to redistribute. That is time that could be used to produce more bud. as for reaching plants in the back of the box, I built a large lazy susan which I can turn without disturbing the plants positions relative to the light. here are a few pics of my current dual 600w vert grow. check the signature for more info. __________________ F1 or inbreed/landrace strains only, NO POLY-HYBRIDS!!
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05-29-2009, 05:07 AM	#10
JackSkellington Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 211	cool this is what im lookin for recently decided to do same do to money issues n not bein able to buy a bunch of cfls lol would a 400 w vert n a 40" (tall)place be a good idea i can get alote airflow through there and i have no real other limits on dim.... n C21 thts a sick setup you got there how you build that rotating thing that looks sick!! haha n do all you put chicken wire between yer plants n light?? cuz im thnkn tht the plant would grow into it eventually?? idk bout this tho nvr tried vert....any info is great thnx...sry dnt mean to jack yr thread __________________ :tipha t:
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