Well, I grew out a couple of Gh varieties last year and found out that the seeds and the varieties are good and reasonably priced, so a little reading later and im planting a couple more this year. WW and Gws.

Since I have the GH widow fems, i thought it would be fun to grow it out beside the original GH widow from some years back when I think shantibaba worked them.

Joey still has his original genes and sells f2's of it. Ill take some pics as things develop. The seeds of the 2 dont look to be much different. If you got them mixed up u couldnt seperate them again.

So many seemed convinced that the ww being sold today is different than the original. Lets look and see.

Right on,Silverback i think is respected as anyone here.I invite this report!

Can't wait to see the results!

[El Vexilix]

Same here . Maybe if people would stop commenting on their shity grows we can get some real data . Finally a grower like DownSouthSage and Silverback have the means to go about getting some legit info .

Never understood what all the hate is about . I have never been disappointed with any breeder or seed company . Even though I stick to the what I think are fair priced ( cheap ) seeds , beets out anybodies product around my hood .

I know what the hate is about El Vexilix. Pettiness, imaturity, lack of knowledge.

80% of all small businesses, especially those with partners, reorganize their companies within the first 2 years. If Arjan and shanti and anyone else involved in the company didnt have that as part of thier business plan, then all were lacking.

For a grower to take that enevitable outcome personally is unexplainable, but some do. Its normal biz man.

Further, there is a hypocrisy among those that claim some kind of rip off. Everytime they patronize any large corportate conglomerate, whether it is filling their gas tank or going to wal mart, they are supporting a company that has undercut and gobbled up all of its competitors, willingly or not, taken intellectual propeties and mistreated employess and customers alike, yet they have no qualms..... but let some guy claim his cannabis seeds were copied and they take it personally and in short order they are engaged in namecalling. Simpletons.

[theHIGHlander]

old skool white widow.....hope ya dont mind silverback ,pulling up a chair for this show..wheres ma bong at..

keep it green
highlander

Originally Posted by silverback

I know what the hate is about El Vexilix. Pettiness, imaturity, lack of knowledge.

80% of all small businesses, especially those with partners, reorganize their companies within the first 2 years. If Arjan and shanti and anyone else involved in the company didnt have that as part of thier business plan, then all were lacking.

For a grower to take that enevitable outcome personally is unexplainable, but some do. Its normal biz man.

Further, there is a hypocrisy among those that claim some kind of rip off. Everytime they patronize any large corportate conglomerate, whether it is filling their gas tank or going to wal mart, they are supporting a company that has undercut and gobbled up all of its competitors, willingly or not, taken intellectual propeties and mistreated employess and customers alike, yet they have no qualms..... but let some guy claim his cannabis seeds were copied and they take it personally and in short order they are engaged in namecalling. Simpletons.

thats hitting the nail on the head right there silverback!!Just like i had said i'm no cheerleader for neither but i know bullshit when i see it as i have had the open mindedness to make up my own mind and i find none of what i read to be true thru growing it out myself.

[KeifCheif]

i love the side by side grows. seedbank vs seedbank. seedbanks really need to diversify themselfs, they need to grow the fuck up and stop copying each other. and the breeders are slowly watering everything down :(

anyways good luck

[lordbudly]

u should also runs shantis version from mr nice, so its ghs vs mr nice vs old skool ghs with shanti

I would like to do that lordbudly, but mr. nice is off of my list. Ive tried to order 2x from them. The first time i ordered, the seeds they sent me were so old that the the shell had fallen off of the seed. That pack of seeds stands as the only old pack of seeds ive ever reicieved after ordering well over 80 strains and over 100 packs. I emailed a pic and Shanti emailed back that as soon as he got off vacation he would resend, but never did. The final email angered me as it implied that the seeds failed due to my inexperience. I grew my first crop in 1970 and by 75, I was kicking out polyploids and hybrids. I know more about weed than mr. shanti will ever know. The second order never came at all.

I have a thread in Strains about seed botiques service. Ive been using SB and Hemp Depot for years. Its ironic that i could order from both of those companies dozens of times over the years and not a single lost order or bad seed. Yet my first 2 orders to mr nice..... What a coincidence don't you think?

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice,......Its foolish to conclude that Mr. nice is legit given the facts of the situation. The probability that a 3rd order would result in satisfaction is less than 33%. I dont like the odds.