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**Skip** · 03-14-2004, 10:30 PM

The FBI isn't content with existing laws allowing nearly carte-blanche survellience of internet traffic upon demand. Now they want all web developers to build back-doors into every piece of software used for communications on the internet!

The also are demanding ISPs allow them "wiretap" access (which they already have), and "any new services that do not support a back door for police would be outlawed!"

This would be the biggest threat to Internet privacy ever! How can you trust law enforcement agencies not to abuse these powers, when they can then spy on everyone with impunity?

Already too many people have access to too much personal information. Where will it end, and WHY oh WHY can't we spy on the spies? Why can't we see this same information about those we employ in our government?

We must fight this new legislation!

https://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html

ken · 03-14-2004, 10:54 PM

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03-14-2004, 10:58 PM

I saw this earlier. I couldnt beleive it! I just hope and pray this doesnt go any further, I barely feel safe on the net as it is. And the Internet is international, is the US going to make itself a terrorist again by attempting to bully other countries to develop similar legislation?

Man, I wish things would get better already, these days good news seems so few and far between.....:(

Ono Nadagin · 03-15-2004, 12:31 AM

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Under the FBI's proposal, Internet companies would bear "sole financial responsibility for development and implementation of CALEA solutions" but would be authorized to raise prices to cover their costs.

Thats the last paragraph of the link......

There is no way this will pass... privacy advocates and mainly the cable companies lawyers as well as all cable subscribers will be vocally opposed to this.

I say we are weeks away from cabe internet companies start a petition.... Saying if they want it they must pay for it themselves and both political parties will be forced to vote for the money from the homeland sec budget.

And Cassini, I am better off then before... through my own hard work... I did get a tax refund from Bush... I liked it a lot! I am neither a rich person nor a CEO.... Just a person that realizes his dreams through hard work.... in hope of someday being amoungst the members of the evil rich upper class whom shoulders can afford to be the scape goat of the have nots

ken · 03-15-2004, 12:07 PM

completely, 100%, totally unenforcable.

they dont even have the manpower to make sure that every web developer (in the usa only, presumably) backdoors their stuff, nevermind analyse all the data they would(nt) get.

im not backdooring shit anyway & if the fbi wants to argue about it being unenforcable, they are welcome to try & get meh.

ken · 03-15-2004, 12:08 PM

and yeah, if you really want to piss them off, use encryption (https, ssl, pgp, etc)

**Skip** · 03-15-2004, 01:28 PM

Ken, according to what I'm reading into the new law, you'll have to hand the authorities the encryption keys if requested as well.

In other words there will be NO secrets OR privacy on the Net, except for our government officials of course! You know those guys who make these laws to apply to everyone except themselves!

The true irony here is the FBI already has access to all this, but building more backdoors into software is what they really want so they don't have to justify their intrusions to anyone. They won't need to go before a judge to get an ok to wiretap cause all they'll have to do is use their special key loaded browsers/search engines to find/review anything passing on the net...

That's how I see it happening.

ken · 03-15-2004, 01:33 PM

yes, but where will they get the people to enforce it?

how does this apply to anybody outside the usa?

where are all the people to read every single communication on the internet?

its unenforceable.

its also just an 'FBI wish list', i doubt it'll ever become law.

ken · 03-15-2004, 01:47 PM

ability to wiretap usa isps will probably become law, although you'd hope that they'd need a warrent to do it, in the current climate they may just be able to mass wiretap.

putting backdoors in every internet application will never happen though, there are so many problems with that, i dont even wanna start typing about it, but it is a total non-starter.

ken · 03-15-2004, 02:03 PM

although it wouldnt suprise me if a few developers already bug their software for the fbi/cia/nsa (aol, msn, etc)

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Skip Let's Get Small! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,456	FBI Wants New Internet Powers! The FBI isn't content with existing laws allowing nearly carte-blanche survellience of internet traffic upon demand. Now they want all web developers to build back-doors into every piece of software used for communications on the internet! The also are demanding ISPs allow them "wiretap" access (which they already have), and "any new services that do not support a back door for police would be outlawed!" This would be the biggest threat to Internet privacy ever! How can you trust law enforcement agencies not to abuse these powers, when they can then spy on everyone with impunity? Already too many people have access to too much personal information. Where will it end, and WHY oh WHY can't we spy on the spies? Why can't we see this same information about those we employ in our government? We must fight this new legislation! https://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html __________________ "America's freedom lies in cannabis." - feltonmuggs "Prohibition is the gateway to fascism." - Treewizard

03-15-2004, 01:28 PM	#7
Skip Let's Get Small! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,456	Ken, according to what I'm reading into the new law, you'll have to hand the authorities the encryption keys if requested as well. In other words there will be NO secrets OR privacy on the Net, except for our government officials of course! You know those guys who make these laws to apply to everyone except themselves! The true irony here is the FBI already has access to all this, but building more backdoors into software is what they really want so they don't have to justify their intrusions to anyone. They won't need to go before a judge to get an ok to wiretap cause all they'll have to do is use their special key loaded browsers/search engines to find/review anything passing on the net... That's how I see it happening. __________________ "America's freedom lies in cannabis." - feltonmuggs "Prohibition is the gateway to fascism." - Treewizard

03-15-2004, 01:33 PM	#8
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	yes, but where will they get the people to enforce it? how does this apply to anybody outside the usa? where are all the people to read every single communication on the internet? its unenforceable. its also just an 'FBI wish list', i doubt it'll ever become law. Last edited by ken; 03-15-2004 at 01:36 PM..

03-14-2004, 10:54 PM	#2
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	SSL

03-14-2004, 10:58 PM	#3
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	I saw this earlier. I couldnt beleive it! I just hope and pray this doesnt go any further, I barely feel safe on the net as it is. And the Internet is international, is the US going to make itself a terrorist again by attempting to bully other countries to develop similar legislation? Man, I wish things would get better already, these days good news seems so few and far between.....:(

03-15-2004, 12:07 PM	#5
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	completely, 100%, totally unenforcable. they dont even have the manpower to make sure that every web developer (in the usa only, presumably) backdoors their stuff, nevermind analyse all the data they would(nt) get. im not backdooring shit anyway & if the fbi wants to argue about it being unenforcable, they are welcome to try & get meh.

03-15-2004, 12:08 PM	#6
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	and yeah, if you really want to piss them off, use encryption (https, ssl, pgp, etc)

03-15-2004, 01:47 PM	#9
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	ability to wiretap usa isps will probably become law, although you'd hope that they'd need a warrent to do it, in the current climate they may just be able to mass wiretap. putting backdoors in every internet application will never happen though, there are so many problems with that, i dont even wanna start typing about it, but it is a total non-starter.

03-15-2004, 02:03 PM	#10
ken Large Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 215	although it wouldnt suprise me if a few developers already bug their software for the fbi/cia/nsa (aol, msn, etc)