[OldMan&theWeed]

Originally Posted by dongle69

The 16oz instructions say 1 capful for 100 gallons.
Dilute more?

I'm sure that I've been overdoing it, but since I've been diluting it I've probably been making it less effective.

After what the company rep. told you I definitely now believe that applying drops rather than dilution is the way to go.

[smoke1sun]

Originally Posted by OldMan&theWeed

I agree that a test should be performed, but to do it right I'd have to to the hydro store and shell out 40 bucks so I could do a side-by-side. I already know the stuff works.

I dont understand why you have to go to the hydro store. My typing is a little hard to understand, cant spell or use periods. I should of pay more attention in school.

What i mean to say is test the product you already have, No need to buy anything else. Im waiting for a response from another board to post his finding in his test of canna'a versions of enzymes. I dont wanna jack anyones info, and dont wanna post links to orher sites in the forum.

[habeeb]

you might be on to something but hygrozyme is listed ORMI , and will only use this unless something else is listed ORMI.

Originally Posted by habeeb

you might be on to something but hygrozyme is listed ORMI , and will only use this unless something else is listed ORMI.

Why rely on the gov't for OMRI certification?

Here is CareFree's little blurb:

IPS-CareFree Enzymes, a Wisconsin based company, is the only manufacturer of all natural enzymes that are free of bacteria. We have built a reputation since 1995 as the exclusive manufacturer of enzymes for the birding, watergardening and agricultural industries. Our enzyme products are environmentally friendly and 100% safe for all pets, livestock and wildlife. Currently, there isn't anything as strong and as safe on the market as IPS-CareFree Enzymes.

Our products are 99% organic. Unfortunately our stabilizers (with stabilizers, our products can stay on the shelf for years) are synthetic. Synthetic products are not recognized as organic by the OMRI.

EDIT:
Holy crap I just did the math...
60x more expensive to use Hygrozyme vs pond enzymes.
$30 worth of Hygrozyme if I used it in my 100 gal res or 50 cents for the pond enzyme.
That is some expensive OMRI certification!

[Bozo]

I stopped using enzymes because they were too spendy. Sounds like this will solve that problem .Ok for plants and fish and a company rep gave a hydroponic dose ,I can live with the 1 % preservative .I was always so skimpy with Hygrozyme and Sensizyme because of the cost .A bottle of Pond and Fountain Protector will make using enzymes affordable

I remember it was 20 ml per gallon Sensizyme ,1000 ml per liter
1000ml bottle /20 ml per gallon =50 gallons . That is 20$ a week for me making it the most expensive part of my grow

Pond cleaner is 30 ml per 100 gallons ,1000ml/30ml=33.3 -100gallon batches(3300 gallons) making it 66 times cheaper

Old Man or anyone who uses this ,does it affect ph? Can you mix a 100 gallon res and leave it for a week?I have been dropping things from use if they affect ph buffering.Makes it a pita when you run DTW and you have to daily adjust ph .Basicly the entire AN line


didnt see 16 oz size so 66 times is too much but still

[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by dongle69

Why rely on the gov't for OMRI certification

From their web site

The Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) is a national nonprofit organization that determines which input products are allowed for use in organic production and processing.

OMRI is a private organization which charges companies $$$ to be listed. The bigger you are the more money you pay.

They've got a good thing going for sure.

[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by OsWiZzLe

......i hit with the EM.....

If you're talking about EM as in 'Expanded Microbes' used in the Japanese bokashi composting process, this product is nothing short of amazing.

You can also use EM to grow your own culture like yogurt. A little goes a long way in the bokashi paradigm.

[Fresh Start]

Great post guys. I'm using an all organic line from start to finish in coco. Not sure where the enzymes fit in to my recipes, but for the prices I'll think about it. some body archive this!

[EddieShoestring]

cool guys-i agree that enzymes aimed at ganja horticulturalists are expensive-especially if you're growing commercial style-but has anyone actually tried any of these pond cleaner type alternatives yet?
look foward to seeing some results

eddieS