Originally Posted by toohighmf

It is an enzymatic innoculant. Proteins..

From what I read, it is not an enzyme, it is bacillus that will secrete enzymes, just like all the other products out there.

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hmm, do you believe what your reading on their stupid ass website? LOL
Thanks for doing the research, though the info is tainted by lies. We would have to send it to a lab to conduct a study on the microbial species used to formulate enzymatic septic cleaner!!!

I wouldn't use their web site for serious research, as the research has already been done.
They aren't allowed to falsify the list of ingredients, though. Thank the Canadian gov't for that.

It is just the same bacteria that everyone else is selling.
The main thing that they are doing wrong (or right for them) is charging way too much for it.
As long as suckers keep buying it....

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I guess there's no need for Piranha then.... LOL
Dude, I'm not even gonna start where "test batches" are made for various agricultural institutions, missing elements that would prevent a problem with product registration. These guys didn't even register any of their products until they were approved. Same thing in US where I believe Oregon is prohibited to resale it... Shiesty....

Originally Posted by toohighmf

I guess there's no need for Piranha then....

I'm not sure why you mention Piranha?
Piranha is trichoderma and mycorrhiza.
Just like GH Subculture M and many others.

Different than the Bacillus of Voodoo/Hydroguard/etc.

But really, there is no need for any of this stuff at all, from any company, if you are using chem nutrients and your garden is healthy.

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With so many species of trichoderma bacteria, I can't keep track of all em and what products their in. I understand the live soil deal and the neccesity of beneficial microbes, specially when using salt based ferts that kill live soil. I'm a straight hydro man myself where H2o2 solves my issues.

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Thanks for the info toohighmf. You guys are right, they are basically the same product. I always knew they did similar things but I always figured voodoo juice had something special that made it so expensive but sounds like some bullshit marketing scheme now that i hear they aren't very honest about their products. Looking back I wish i hadn't gotten piranha i bet subculture or great white works just as well or better.

Mycorrhizae isn't just for soil or root rot. It will actually increase nutrient uptake and mobilization. I saw a comparison in an aero system between two young plants. The one that got mycorrhizae and had a much larger root system. The bacillus will be symbiotic with the rhizae so it all ties in.
"M.F Allen (1991) defined a mycorrhiza as
a mutualistic symbiosis between plant and fungus localised in a root or root-like structure in which energy moves primarily from plant to fungus and inorganic resources move from fungus to plant."

Here's a link if you want more info https://scitec.uwichill.edu.bb/bcs/my...zas/types.html

thanks again everyone!

WOW, Weedherb man more talk than walk as i thought; if your just simply to nervous to do the experiment because AN products are more superior or you just don't have the money to run such an experiment that’s not a problem with me; but their is no need to call me a COP. If you actually took some time to check my gallery i bet you'd take those harsh words back.

As far as exchanging things what would we need to exchange??? Do you not have a mother plant that you can clone and get 2 plants of the same strain, no lights, no pots, no camera to document??? If i were to do the experiment myself you'd still think im bias that’s why i wanted someone from the other perspective. The only exchange would be feeding schedules via PM (I couldn’t arrest you for that!). My little mind figured it out hooooooray!!!!!!

Since you are in a financial struggle it seems, I'd be willing to supply nutrients for educational purposes and possibly change your mind and people who haven't even tried their products but read threads like this and get discouraged. I am not a rep of AN, I am your average joe grower who is unbiased towards all brands, I use what works best for me and in the end it has been AN products im most pleased with.

Why don't you go through and check out my picture gallery and tell me what more me and my AN nutes need to do to prove ourselves. By the looks of your gallery you’re the one who needs to prove more.

P.S. My AN supplier who gets me “locked in” doesn’t even have me waste my money on sensizym, he has admitted to me it a waste of money and that there are other products that are far better…

Im gonna give the hyrdo guard a try, I like botanicare products very much. Im gonna pick some up next order and I will def take some pics to show results! I have no doubt their is a product just as good as the voodoo and I may have just found it, thanks guys!

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it is not the single bac that makes voodoo so special it is the multitude of species and microbials that make voodoo what it is. I can say I used hydroguard for a while. While it protected the root, I don't believe it increased in rhizosperic mass. I know for a fact that Voodoo produced mass like no other until I tried house n gardens root excelurator... Voodoo is nothing to slouch about, but at $90 a liter, 30ml/gallon vs $70 for 4 oz, 30ml/26 gallons with better results is the direction I head. Specially knowing I don't need any crap and bacteria in my hydro setup. But voodoo definately works great. If I could only have 2 products from AN they would be Big Bud & voodoo..