[mistaman]

There sure is a lot of bitching about the new schedule seeing that some of the nessisary products arent even available yet. AN has good products and i just used their stuff as additives but this is the first time i actually considered using a full schedule.

are you guys pissed because you actually went out and bought all those bottles? lol

[toohighmf]

Grateful4THC, hell yes I'm a hater. I hate the shady thieves and liars who make these "revolutionary" products. And I know for a FACT That voodoo juice is enymatic Celtic tank cleaner. Enzymes are organic proteins, therefore it's organic. Ever see an OMRI cert on any of their labels? No? Because their too cheap to pay for certification! Maybe you ought to try the base of your choice with the adds I mentioned below. If you like P&T, try oregonismxl by aurora. At $25 a 500g can, it beats the snot out of both those bacterias and trichoderma..
The only difference from AN & GH grow micro bloom is that GH uses PH Buffers to keep the tank stabile at 6.0, where AN chinced on it, and is just another product out the 14 to swing that PH all over the place. I am a total hater! I hate spending $2+k on stuff that don't work as good as the Lucas formula and some simple adds for $250 a crop vs $250 a rez...

Originally Posted by mountain kind

so toohigh which 6 products do you like

1) big bud
2) voodoo (unless you know exactly what enzematic septic cleaner and dilution rates to use)
3) overdrive
4) barricade (the only potassium silicate in full concentrations- 100%
5) ph down
6) revive.
Here's a bonus or 2....
H1/F1
At 23% it's the highest concentrations of humics & fulvics on the market... Aside from 50% powders at home depot for $5 each!

I worked for them as a national tech rep for one of the US distributors, I was on the forum moderating team, I used the stuff exclusively for 5+ years on over 25 crops. I was flown into CAN. To discuss the most common issues related to their products. After 10 minutes of listening to Robert higgens ramble on an on about how great he was, I challenged him and he flipped out. I told the guy I don't work for him. I work for the distributors, and if you can't give me factual information or accurate data, your as big a farce as your products" I quit... Best descision I made in a long time.

[cocogroguy]

Originally Posted by toohighmf

1) big bud
2) voodoo (unless you know exactly what enzematic septic cleaner and dilution rates to use)
3) overdrive
4) barricade (the only potassium silicate in full concentrations- 100%
5) ph down
6) revive.
Here's a bonus or 2....
H1/F1
At 23% it's the highest concentrations of humics & fulvics on the market... Aside from 50% powders at home depot for $5 each!

Okay I knew BB and Overdrive were gonna be on the list....I also knew Barricade is the only 100% concentrate of silica and also doubles as a PH up....an added bonus. Would revive be used only if you had some sick cuts? Doesn't it have just cal and mag? And as of now I use diamond nectar through out veg and flower. And I add humic(humbolt nutes) here and there too. And voodoo is for roots right? so up until 2-3 weeks into flowering? So Carboload is a waste of time huh?

My current base is PBP in veg and Floranova in bloom....soon to be Floranova exclusively. I really would like to get a set nute lineup and stick with it. Maybe FN for base with the AN additive?

[BudZad7]

Hi All! Nice Info!!! I've spent the last 4 years trying all the most popular
ferts and various combinations...with both great and good results (smell,taste,
yield, high.... etc etc...) and was trying something different, and found this mix by accident....the KISS method " keep it simple stupid "

Here's a proven formula:Veg starter mix (Just soak your 6x6 rockwool cubes in
ph 5.2 RO water overnight, then next day drain the cubes (stack the cubes on
top of each other in a Rubbermaid tub gravity will drain them,except the last cube will be wet,take a new cube and put the soaked cube on top of the new cube, and the soaked cube will drain out,if the runoff is below ph 6.5 then the cube is set for ferts, if the ph is above 6.5, then the cube needs more water soak. Now use a GOOD product by Supernatural Rockwool Soak powder
...Mix 1 tsp per gal of RO water ph 5.2, soak cubes overnight, then check ph
of the runoff, it should be in the range of 5.8~6.2, then transplant your cuttings
the 1st week don't water or feed the cube, just make a batch of Maxicrop liquid seaweed 1oz per gal and make a 50/50 solution 1/2 litre seaweed &
1/2 litre ro water ph 5.8 this makes a litre of lite seaweed, use a baster and
every morning put a little squirt of this mix on the cutting Rapid Rooter in the 6" cube to keep it moist til it roots into the 6x6 cube) Only use the Rockwool
Soak as a fert the 1st month,this fert is GREAT for new cuttings. (Also if you wanna go to the next level try this ...Rockwool Soak + Carbo Load powder 1/4 tsp per gal + Pot Ol Gold liquid 3 tsp per gal + Liquid Karma 2 tsp per gal )
and make sure the ph is 5.8 & EC 0.7~0.8...use GH PH up and down
Also use flouros for veg not Metal Halide bulbs, Walmart has a $10 48" 2 tube
shop light that has the newer ballast for T8 tubes,and Home Depot has the
48" grow tubes T8 Phillips Natural daylight 5000k $7.50 this combo of light is "BRIGHT" and the plants LOVE this LIGHT.....Phillips new Alto series tubes are
brighter than old T12 tubes and less wattage !!!! $25 for a very bright light
source, compared to T5 lights that cost 5 times more.....in a tent 4'x8' with
a 3x3 table (4- 2 tube fixtures cover the table perfect) $100 vs T5 lights that
cost $$$$$$$ for the same space for 4 fixtures, and look at the results in 3 weeks....see attachments:

weedman herb,

why don't you go back and actually read what i wrote, I never called anyone a liar so don't put words in mouth; especially when i never said them! I like your idea of putting them side by side, I think its the best way to see the final results of both products and it will be better than just peoples words.

Why don't we both do a side by side grow(2 plants of the same strain, under the same wattage, and same size pot) and document it? This way one person from each side can give their results, I am an honest person so if your nutes are better i'll have no problem admitting it, hope you can do the same.

You tell me which products you use and how you feed and vice versa. If your willing then maybe I won't think you're a hater anymore. By the way im more into walk then talk so put your money where your mouth is.


Toohighmf,

I respect the fact you use to work for them and even questioned them; you got balls. Maybe for me since i never had to work for those snobby people i have a different outlook of their products. I don't use their whole line up because i do understand thats a bunch of BS, what i use is:

Monkey Juice A+B
Liquid Carboload
Voodoo Juice
Big Bud
Overdive
VHO

The only other nutrient i use that isn't AN is Liquid Karma because its B52, H1, and F1 all in one bottle. As far as PH i don't know the first thing about it and NEVER test it, yet my crops look beautiful I personally never have had my PH swing up or down with AN or I would have def noticed. Also, you being an old retailer should've know better than to spend 2k+ on nutes for one harvest.

Also im sorry i didn't understand exactly but the Oregonismxl you recommended is the same thing as Voodoo? Because i would love to try it especially if its a fraction of the price. The only reason i use the Voodoo is because it really does work that well and no one has ever mentioned the same product by a different company.

When did I call you a liar? You see things funny ... maybe that's why AN has you Locked In like they do ... I said "We can't all be liars" as in The supposed Haters. Maybe YOU need to read what I wrote again. It sounds like we would need to Exchange things in order to do this proper ... Very Risky at best considering what we do and where I do it ... that you even suggested this is suspect ... why can't you just do the Side by Side and get back to us? I would have accepted your results readily until you tried to Paint such a nice, honest picture of yourself ... bad guys do that ... so do Cops ... Are you a Cop G THC?? Do you think your little mind can devise a scheme that is Safe for the both of us? Are you willing to Pay for this experiment Mr MoneyWhereHisMouthIs? You see ... I've used AN products and I'm basically done with them ... I have Nothing to prove ... you and AN do ... so you or AN will need to pay for me to play. I think I have made my position very clear on this thread and others ... Sensizym is the ONLY AN product I will buy again. My hydro store is an AN retailer ... It's Put Up Or Shut Up time.

[mistaman]

Originally Posted by Gratephul4THC

weedman herb,

Also im sorry i didn't understand exactly but the Oregonismxl you recommended is the same thing as Voodoo? Because i would love to try it especially if its a fraction of the price. The only reason i use the Voodoo is because it really does work that well and no one has ever mentioned the same product by a different company.

no he was talking about piranha and tarantula. i got the piranha because i only wanted to enoc a couple times and didnt wanna buy 2 diff products to use mycorizae and trichoderma. I dont think any of my local stores have the roots organic stuff. I might try great white or subculture-m next time. I like the tarantula though its very concentrated and isn't voodoo juice just the same thing except a liquid suspension?

the main thing that i like about the new line is the ph and ppm perfect. i would never have to worry about lockout or burning...if it works

[toohighmf]

Originally Posted by cocogroguy

Okay I knew BB and Overdrive were gonna be on the list....I also knew Barricade is the only 100% concentrate of silica and also doubles as a PH up....an added bonus. Would revive be used only if you had some sick cuts? Doesn't it have just cal and mag? And as of now I use diamond nectar through out veg and flower. And I add humic(humbolt nutes) here and there too. And voodoo is for roots right? so up until 2-3 weeks into flowering? So Carboload is a waste of time huh?

My current base is PBP in veg and Floranova in bloom....soon to be Floranova exclusively. I really would like to get a set nute lineup and stick with it. Maybe FN for base with the AN additive?

Revive is mostly Nitrogen in 3 forms, mg, fe, and zinc. I use it with
thefollowing veg / bloom reg:
Veg:
GH flora 3 part or botanicare PBP grow. (done with floranova) too many precipitates, found a 2 oz ball of phosphate rock in the last bottle and it's a pain in the ass to mix, store, dilute, etc.)
Superthrive
Calmg+
Roots excelurater
Revive
Liquid karma or floralicious plus
H2o2 every 36 hours

Bloom:

GH Lucas formula or DM gold base
Superthrive
10-15ml Botanicare calmg+
Additional Epsom salts
1ml per gallon Revive
Big bud at 250 ppm
Heavy doses of hydrogen peroxide
Liquid karma or floralicious plus or H1/F1 when I got it for free and I do prefer it over nectar or karma. Just too many bottles!
I finish with shooting powder or anything close to 0-50-30.
Flush 2+ weeks w carbo 1 week, the rest of the time just RO till the fans fall off and the plant has metabolized everything it has stored and there is no food source left.

[toohighmf]

Originally Posted by mistaman

no he was talking about piranha and tarantula. i got the piranha because i only wanted to enoc a couple times and didnt wanna buy 2 diff products to use mycorizae and trichoderma. I dont think any of my local stores have the roots organic stuff. I might try great white or subculture-m next time. I like the tarantula though its very concentrated and isn't voodoo juice just the same thing except a liquid suspension?

the main thing that i like about the new line is the ph and ppm perfect. i would never have to worry about lockout or burning...if it works

Voodoo is a product like none other it is a microbial root colonizer. Mycs and trichs are bacterias and funghi Like piranha or tarantula. Oregonism is more like P &T for much less, and you don't have to worry about the nitrogen pellets found in P&T that are there to make weight and rip you off! I feel it is impossible to make a ppm/ph perfect reg. For that is how AN is still in business. New gimmicks for noob growers, and enough decent prooeucts that keep some pros comin back....

Voodoo = Botanicare Hydroguard (now called Aqua Shield).