[Mr. Alkaline]

DJ SHORT...has a sensitive heart.
-And, he had come here for some months after a seedline release.(VL?CK)
BUT....he has 'literally' buckled down, and disappeared ontop of a mountain, a fork and some seeds......DJ isn't coming down until he has 'different seeds'!

IOW: ...to the extent that he has be friended your hearts and stayed,..
-to 'that' extent...has he left to 'go get'...something that he 'knows', he can come down with.
........I just hope he doesn't stay up there too long that he comes down looking white like Moses????Jeezz

[Mr. Alkaline]

-Foe is absolutely correct!
....the spectrum is larger than the general public eye/proof.
And, Foe is coming here-now, as, a light in a dark place.
...I'll venture that there 'ARE' extremely Interesting and Exciting vintage medicines along the heady-awareness continuum.

To me....I've categorized 4four public releases/offerings:
1. Interesting (amongst friends)
2. Exciting (amongst friends)
3. Profound(extending from great depth-aka earliest vintage f2's)
4. Grow-able (idiot proof, fast-mass)

Secondly....there may be 72 variances, of the above (4)...which ALL companies can bump into, after DJ entrusted his 'early' f2 discoveries-(aka:vintage f3's)....which Foe is itching to go 'back' into. -He is worthy of congradulation and due(attention)accommadation.

YET, ...I see forum members,..picking at Foe's thread!
....and, I've come to the idea that he has not sifted the Vanilluna or Cocoa F2's....for some elusive DJ sativas.

ALL said,...DJ is moving forward to 'some'-things.
....and we see evidence of an experiential chocolate thai and rose-ish-bud which include unique flavor inside global cannabis, commonly widespread.
....also,...we all KNOW that DJ could not clone the Oaxaca-ish pheno he caught/re-aquired...3 years ago.
OKAY, what we see is this:
-DJ will get an eventual Oaxaca-likeness.
..........a speedymoonshine....and,...a rosey plant.
-Maybe the olde sag and dp releases will not prove effective at the standpoint of a HOGGY ressurection...though anythings possible.

In american history...the land owner...never gave his tractor away,...to the public....once, or, long after it was invented in 1750.
-Can we conclude that DJ let his P1-ish types go into the public with the oil change/coaxing manuel????
............I'll give DJ the credit...BUT,....FOE is surely everyone's savior from possible darkness!
Peace to ALL!!!!!!!

[purcellville]

Originally Posted by FOE20

hey Purcell not to throw a monkey wrench into that scenario but F-13 and Flo to me are Stabilized Indica dom Hybrids..Meaning they Will Dominate as a F-13 or Flo always does and usually Ind dom in most aspects...
Meaning that Blue Phenos within F-13 and Flo will be even less frequent than other hybrids from the Original BBerry Lines..Even DJ said that he didnt have part of the Selection of Flow(Flo) rel by Sagarmatha in early releases..So later I'll bet he used his own pre-worked Flo genetics to continue to work Flo...and later F-13, BVel and BSatv1 with Steve...

No monkey wrench bro... I know the F-13 is a Flo selection, and I know Flo/F-13 is as indica as it comes from DJ.

In the end... Amazing detective work, and right on in many regards. Keep throwing it out man, it all good in this forum. It really is a pleasure to have you here sharing your insight with us. In case anyone else forgot... THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION.

I know 1 thing for Fact...TBB isnt that hard to grow compared to BBerry Sats....mainly cause to me and I thought everyone...Its Indica dom...
btw bro..we also have a BBerry Sat that wants to finish in under 8wks..and its not DJ's cut...So your saying DJ's original BBerry Sativa is a 8-9wk plant?...If thats the case then we'll just disagree...no biggie bro...I'llpost pics of the Fast Blue to...who cares about that thing..Its smells great..Yields for squat and has 1/3 less Effect than DJ's...Thats my 2 pents on the "Fast Blue" cut we have...

when Djs original blueberry sat is refered to you have to work out if it was his work or sags, sags effort as it was done with 25 seeds, thus less phenotypes and less selection therefore easy to f**k up Dj had little or no say in selection , I do not know if the seeds he supplied (3000 of them) were Blueberry,flo, blue velvet or something else or part of his original stock and thus could of been 1000 of each

The first company I worked with in Europe sprouted only 25 seeds of each of these varieties to make selections from. Other than supplying seed-stock, I was only minimally involved in the selection process. I did get to see the mother and father plants alive, however, the selection process had already been done prior by others. Unfortunately, my relationship with this company was short-lived as all the owner really wanted was my seed-stock. Once he had it I became a very low priority in his scheme. In all honesty I was never paid one red cent for any of the Blueberry (or “Flow” or Blue Velvet) that company number one in Europe produced (plus having over 3,000 seeds that I produced completely ripped off).

now considering the selection process they did you would expect it to have less pheno expression as described by vic high earlier.... and a bitch to grow perhaps.... or as it was an earlier release and therefore not as stabilised you would get variation it all depends what sag did with the seeds... but since they only sprouted 25 seeds of EACH to do selections make your own conclusions.

orig BBerry(Sativa) - Is super Sativa Dom...Looks nothing like what most of Todays BBerry looks like..Period..It was released as a "Real Bitch to Grow"......These can run Indo/Out anywhere from 10-16wks IMO...

this is were it needs to be clarified as to were the Blueberry (sags) is whos work... Djs or theres ? I can remember Dj stating that the European selections were more sat like and north american more indica in the early years, then refined to give more sat traits etc...

for me personally being an indoor grower I do not want a 16week strain, this is selfish of me I'm sure but I prefer a 10 week max strain that can give me a clear up head high like a 16 week strain...

I hope FOE20 that you haven't found myself to be picking at the thread in anyway, I just like to discuss, obviously I read your threads so you must be doing something to grab my attention as i'm a natural recluse

Kopite

[FOE20]

sorry gentz...Everyone making a good argument and input..I was just bitchy that day to...heheh..was my Bday on the 1st and my daughters on the 2nd and my lady Lunas on the 3rd..so been busy and wasn't gettin enough sleep...hehe...I was being more dramatic than needed...folks care and really love DJ and his lines and that all that counts..
I will stick wit it as I hope everyone will...Its a great topic and has so many avenues its endless..Which is half the fun in growing them...

its all groovy Purcell bro...

lov ya MrA...and your lov for the lines..

werd Kopite..naa its all proper sir...or my fellow recluse, cave-dweller...heheh..we'll be talkin more my brutha....Im in the middle of a nice harv so I'll get back on it soon...

Stay kewl folks and I'll try to...
FOE20

[swampthing]

Great thread Foe!

Foe20 here is the pic of PP pheno which is an indica plant but has sat like qualities mostly in the high it reminds me of some blue sat pics i've seen etc....

[Hollaachu]

great job FOE20...Bravo, Bravo!!!!

[nobull56]

Ausome history!! Do you know where the Romberry (Romulan X BB) came from? we've had it about 4years & love it.

[Bumble Buddy]

Couldn't DJ clear all this up with a few short words? Why does this all have to be such a mystery? Not trying to stir up crap, just wondering why this is happening, not sure what the whole story is but I'm posting this because it seems disrespectful to you guys and/or neglectful of him to not help you guys out with this info, and strange that he never cleared it up in the past with his voluminous writings... That there has to be this whole hunt for the mysterious heritage info just sort of sets off my BS detector a bit. I fully accept that maybe there are perfectly reasonable reasons as to why this is happening, just sayin...