[spaceghost22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture I recommend all new persons who wish to further their knowledge of Permaculture please visit this link. It covers all of the basics.

Greetings again fellow citizens, it is me, spaceghost22 back again with yet ANOTHER thread. It was in the signature of another posting on one of my threads that I discovered Zeitgeist: Addendum. I remember one warm summers eve of this last year that I was granted the opportunity to first view Zeitgeist movie and was taken aback. This documentary had left my brain all but blown. And now after viewing the second installment to the liberation of knowledge I feel angry. In light of the whole scheme of things it seems to me that if we are to continue to covet things such as money, credit, Hollywood, corporate based media before we covet things that we NEED like good cloths, carrots, milk, beans, energy, shelter, warmth, love and all the things necessary to sustain OUR LIVES, then there is something to be said here on the topic of loss. I don't know where to go to expand on the topic of loss other than to address the dissociation of people from the very foundation of the reality atop which we base our lives. So here is why THIS thread has come into existence.

This is for those any of us who already have knowledge and/or working experiences in the practical application of Permaculture as defined by Tasmanian Bill Mollison and Australian David Holmgren or are eager to lean. I have read a bit on Bill Mollison and have read much on Permaculture and also have watched every available video pertaining to Permaculture on the net. Bill spoke once about his experiences as young man working as lumber jack cutting down thousand year old trees from Tasmania to build houses in another country. This understandably had him quite enraged. He then took it upon himself some time later to move into the woods, much like Jesus sat upon a rock, to learn what he would. Bill seemingly was able to discern the connections between the banks, debt and the modern portrait of slavery into which everyone who reads this is part. He did this without the aid of the Internet in a time before the ball really was rolling. Now some 35+ years later his philosophies seem the best weapon to wield against the wage slavers. Permaculture lays out a very well thought, well designed and fool-proof plan for the people to engage in asymmetric warfare with those who have already engaged with us in asymmetric warfare. If we no longer need money to buy our food, transport our food, process our food etc, then we're almost to a point where we no longer need money and the control exerted over us by the Globalist is either no longer valid to the point that they must, and by their own doctrine, WILL take more progressively more aggressive and obvious measures to retrieve control. It is common knowledge to some that while restraining your own fist and to goad another into casting the first blow most often will win you popular support while your enemy made publicly know. It is in this way that they will "out" themselves, that part of the machine designed to do so, and the real fight for freedom may begin, but this is not the point in time where we find ourselves. Ours is the time to support the knowledge with which our children may grow strong and be intelligent human beings enough so they will bring about the tough change if we first would institute it. In this one of many ways Permaculture may effectively be used.

I am not a certified Permaculture instructor nor a professor in the science of Permaculture but I am a student with a vigorous will to learn. It is my hope that this thread both will bring new students to the table of knowledge and bring those seasoned Permaculture vets together to loose a new drove of garden based warriors upon an unsuspecting world.

“All the World's Problems Can Be Solved in the Garden “ - Geoff Lawton.

If you think long and hard on this you may eventually come to the same conclusion as the quoter who initially set your mind into motion. I believe in this quote and strive to live my life by it and convince as many as I can of the same until the time and place of my death, wherever and whenever that shall be.

I've heard that Permaculture was recently instituted into the Washington State University curriculum. It is now recognized as an academic endeavor under Science. YEY! As it rightly should be.

Let the discussion begin!

[spaceghost22]

Does anyone know of any tried and true guild which cannabis fits very well into who would be willing to share with the rest of us? I remember a diagram showing an apple tree supporting grape vines and at the base of both sat a shallow rooted berry patch. I like the dynamics of permaculture a lot (in case you can't tell!).

[swampdank]

Sounds interesting. I have always wanted to design my own self sustaining garden. I might look into this some more, as my plans have changed. I believe that with an few acres of land, in the right place, with easy irrigation, would work well. Even more so in later generations if conciensus farming methods were implemented. My imagination runs wild with ideas of my own little garden of eden. Hopefully, I can aqquire some decent land before the shit hits the fan.

[spaceghost22]

Originally Posted by swampdank

Sounds interesting. I have always wanted to design my own self sustaining garden. I might look into this some more, as my plans have changed. I believe that with an few acres of land, in the right place, with easy irrigation, would work well. Even more so in later generations if conciensus farming methods were implemented. My imagination runs wild with ideas of my own little garden of eden. Hopefully, I can aqquire some decent land before the shit hits the fan.

Permaculture technically does not require you to even own land, but that is the most sustainable way to engage. Bill showed us in his Global Gardener series how to cultivate our patios, parks and yards. Just think of your potatos like we do our weed. Grow wherever you can. If you ask me the ganja farmers will have it easiest of the poor to get nailed with any crappy recession they have in store for us. We grow everywhere and we already have green thumbs. Just by growing we have better enabled ourselves to ultimately survive. If worst comes to worse, we can always trade one crop for another, say carrots for potatoes.

Geoff Lawton showed us how to essentially take salt-flats and make it arable without major irrigation. This link, Greening the desert, is an audio slide show showing how his team of Permaculturalists re-greened salted desert 2Km. from the Dead Sea using 'swails' and simple mulches atop a small irrigation tube but using mostly passive rainwater collection. They had mushrooms growing in the salted deserts of Jordan! Indeed, fungus will lock out the salts in what it's growing on/in. Using efficient rain-water harvesting can get you by almost everywhere in the US so you wouldn't need to be on any surface water. This is what I'm talking about, there is so much awesome information available to us right now that people aren't aware of! This will not do. Besides, I don't feel that the community has enough support like it should. We should be CHURNING out new discoveries or rediscoveries in gardening.

Aside from that, I believe that if we have early warning that a monetary disaster is highly probable, then there is no excuse for us to get caught with our pants down. How would I feel if I found myself starving in 2 years? Not good, especially after maintenancing this thread to boot! In the end, if we can feed ourselves WITHOUT spending money or trading hard earned crops or anything else for food we will 100% be better off than otherwise. This is why I believe more people should be aware of Permaculture. We are basically ensuring our own survival if we can ensure that of those around us! If there is nothing to trade your potatoes for then what's the point. I don't know, I just think it's a good idea to feed yourself and your friends and families with any space that you can. Plant a guerilla potatoe, spinach, lima-bean, cilantro and sunflower patch in that strip between the sidewalk and yard, heck, plant your yard! Document it here! I may do something along these lines this summer. In fact you better believe I am! Last fall I turned our back yard into a garden. I treated it with dolomite and horse manure so far. I'll introduce worms and worm castings into it a couple times this coming season. I have a worm farm going right now that I've had since sometime last year. It's doubled it's PHYSICAL size and is producing lots of nice castings! I started with $6 of red-worms from a gas-station (they sell worms to fishermen here), and now of 70 worms I have several hundred!

Permaculture is wherever you can envision a garden which mostly takes care of itself (Knowledge of the guilds helps ie)Lima-beans emit a chemical which attracts predacious insects to the patch while cilantro keep others away. Legumes fix nitrogen in the soil while a small apple tree holds their vines up into the sun. A guild as loosely defined under Permaculture = Symbiotic relationships of plants not normally found in the wild but arranged by man for optimum output and utilization of space (loose definition)).



I say, "GREEN THE WORLD, BRING THE FARMS INTO THE CITIES"

[swampdank]

I really like the idea. After reading your post, I googled permaculture and read for about an hour. Companion planting, and crop rotation are definitely my cuppa tea. I will be researching more while I study for my horticulture degree. Organic crop production will be my specialty. This will make for a damn good term paper for sure.

Thanks for posting this, I will be one that studies this further.

[spaceghost22]

Originally Posted by swampdank

I really like the idea. After reading your post, I googled permaculture and read for about an hour. Companion planting, and crop rotation are definitely my cuppa tea. I will be researching more while I study for my horticulture degree. Organic crop production will be my specialty. This will make for a damn good term paper for sure.

Thanks for posting this, I will be one that studies this further.

Very nice , make sure to promote it, the foundation of Permaculture is the marriage of ag. with culture. If your neighbor isn't growing food then Permaculture does not exist, it's just you growing your own food, the world be damned!

When I get my act together and the growing season starts I'll be posting personal research and project papers here for the communities benefit. We're talking about the basic things that people NEED to survive, in my opinion these should never cost money in any wise, hospitable and truly civilized society, but for now it's what we have and it needs to be worked upon.

I guess I'm calling out the cannabis culture to generate a couple nice guilds for cannabis or any other plant you favor, perhaps your prized peppers. Perhaps something I'm looking for is a mushroom variety which helps the plant retain moisture and feeds at the same time. Perhaps a plant which grows half the height of cannabis to reduce wind damage and provide an animal barrier also food for the mushrooms. If I knew of one I would post it, but I'm new to cannabis and most other plants in general.

[spaceghost22]

On a more sombre note...

It is with much regret that I must inform the reading audience that I must stop posting here for an indeterminate amount of time. I recently began my most up-to-date bout with depression and it is strengthening at a quickening rate. I am begging to act out a mania that I'm so well know for locally. It was in this state of mind that I recently posted my feelings on the Israel vs. Gaza fighting from a critical, humanitarian stance and received quite a bit of flack for this. While this really isn't so bad, my feelings are uncontrollable and for fear that I may do harm to myself of to others I must remit, I cannot bare any negativity in my life right now, I may collapse.

Never did I think I would be ostracized at this place, but as fate would have it I was. I'm sorry if this comes at an inconvenient time for any of you, it was not my wish to cause any ripples in your lives, my problems should never translate unnecessarily into others, I've learned this lesson before. It is under these pretense that I will back away into the ether for a bit... Please have an understanding heart, can't you?


May Gaia welcome you all into her innermost gardens for lunch.

[spaceghost22]

I'm back, all is well in space...

How is everything looking swanpdank? What have you learned so far?

[brendon420]

hey man great thread thanks for all of the information

i am planning to study permaculture in school and make it a profession hopefully

thank you for all your work in this thread

[Green Mama]

I love permaculture. I'm so glad to see a thread on here about it. I'll be checkin' in here an there.