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OD Seed Buying: Do's and Don'ts.
For me, it's that time of year where Im planning out next years grow and obtaining the items needed to conduct the grow. At the top of the list is the purchase of those seeds that have been selected for the grow.
My first few grows of store bought seeds were less than stellar, but as time went by, I developed a list of criteria for seed purchasing that greatly increased my outdoor growing effectiveness and the results observed on Oct. 1. I thought it might be helpful to others to list those criteria and I may learn from others through hearing their criteria. My criteria are enumerated by importance. Maturation information: The most potent, vigorous, heavy yeilding strain on the planet is useless if it won't finish at your lattitude and all of your efforts, hopes and weed will die with the first snows. Mistakingly choosing a strain that won't finish always results in a failed and wasted grow effort regardless of any other factors. This mistake is fatal. Having said that, OD maturation dates are often difficult to discern and apply to your lattitude, especially on new and untested crosses. If I don't know a strain that Im interested in, I will look for the listed days to maturity. I need to be harvested by Oct. 21st and out of many purchased strains, any that matured in 45-55 days have always matured in plenty of time for me. Starting at about 65 days to maturity, I start to be aprehehsive. I always add 7- 14 days to what the breeder states as maturation date I grow strains that I don't know well, but never as my primary grow. Ill throw a seed or two out during the summer to see how and when they flower, but I would never bet my whole grow on a strain that finish date is questionable. Breeders Descriptions: Ive come to learn that the language breeders use is telling. "Untested outdoors" means the breeder doesn't have a clue as to the behavior of the plant outdoors and you cant either. It may do well outdoors, but again, I wouldnt bet my main crop on the potential. Make sure your grow is based upon more than hope. "Indoor". I tread lightly here and generally when I buy "indoor" seeds to grow outdoor, I will at least have a few grow reports indicating that it will do well outdoors. "indoor" can mean anything from the plant is acclimated to 12/12, "we just don't know" what will happen outside I generally avoid breeders and strains that utilize language like , "Numerous Pheno's" or "each plant is special" offerings like the plague. This usually means the breeder has bred 2 very dominant strains and each of the offspring is a battle between the 2 genetic giants for dominance. The result is always going to be "god only knows what youre going to find" result. Treasure hunters love these strains, but there is truly no substitute regaurding results, for having knowledge and understanding of the strains you intend to grow. Im likely to avoid breeders that provide no outdoor information. This usually means the same thing as "untested". The breeder really only knows the potency of the plant and its behavior under a completely artificial enviroment, but nothing of its true nature/stature or behavior. Location, Location, Location. This year I intend to grow femmed big bud. I have a number of locations that I grow in. I have 1 location that is in a river valley with deep rich soil and the plants get huge. It also stays heavy with fog and dew until 10 am. and cold air settles in low lying areas in the fall. If I plant my big bud here, ive wasted all of my money and effort as mould will destroy the plants. I have another location that is on a knob that gets full all day sun, but the wind is attrocious here at times. If I plant my big bud here, when reaching maturity the wind at this location will destroy the huge buds and the plants they are growing on. No, I need to plant the BB in an are that isn't low lying or windy, but sheltered. Always choose your locations before choosing your strain. I have 7 different grow sites and each one has qualites that provide indications for strain selection. Whenever I purchase a strain, I know geographically where I intend to plant that strain. I see unknown strains that interest me and i buy them, but again ill test these out before betting my entire grow and all of this years smoke on the hope that they will perform in an outdoor setting. Color and Size: Color for the OD gardener can be important. Ive allways wanted to grow blueberry outdoors here, but the simple fact is is that there isn't a single natural plant in my enviroment that is blue, red, yellow and green which is the maturing color of BB. It would stick out like a sore thumb. Size can be so difficult to determine because it depends all most as much on the soil and sun as it does the strain. Perhaps more so. Over time, Ive discovered that most "compact" strains grow to 5 -6 feet. Medium strains grow to about 8' and large can be LARGE. Depending upon your grow location and the size of the concealing vegetation, choosing the wrong strain can be fatal. These are the considerations I make but Im sure others have their own criteria. Lets here some. Last edited by silverback; 11-30-2008 at 01:24 PM.. |
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I never trust anyone selling a product to make a profit. I trust only those who have tried the product and make a judgment with nothing to gain or lose based on their assessment. My first criteria is others' success stories in locations/circumstances similar to mine using a certain strain from a certain breeder.
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good topic... im running all new genetics this year, and im lost.. i have been running the same strains for years so i knew them like the the palm of my hand(no pun intended) this year is all heavy yeilders, like biddys sister, kc brains stuff,.. from the breeders description on biddys sister it says that the branches get so big that a wind storm could be devastating ,so im already planning a way where that wont happen. the breeder says nothing about mold resistance.. so another uphill battle? maybe... i guess thats why i stuck with what i know.
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very good advice silverback. My buddy was going to try and grow some thai stick in ontario I thought he was joking. Luckily I managed to convince him to grow my select clones instead.
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Great stuff as always Silverback, has anybody here any feedback on the Canadian seed companies outdoor strains, either the Mighty Mite lines of semi autoflowerers or specific northern latitude outdoor plants like Bonkers ?
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some great advice here....thanks man
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I think probally the best outdoor genetics selection for northern growers is at unleashdagreen. Try there you have to become a member though.
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Yes silverback very good description for this time of year. Alot of us are on the hunt and gathering our info. Great write up and some great points are touched on here. Too many people go out and buy/plant and end up with nothing due to the wrong strain/location. Thank you and this is bookmarked for sure.
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Very good points SB.
Some considerations in my area are that I use some areas where deer hunting takes place, and I must be done by October; I aint walking around in the woods with those nuts(I know cause i'm a hunter). I use an area in the mountains that can receive as much as 80 inches a year; definitely a consideration. Anything less than mold proof just wont do. Early sativas seem to do much better than indicas in this environment. Most of my planting(not that its much) is done in rural areas where concealment is a major factor. Think color matching, maturation date and size. I'm pretty new at outdoor and have been pretty much just toying with it (i'm mostly indoor). But due to space limitations I'm going to be giving it a more serious effort this year. Good thread SB!
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Hey everyone
Scaramanga, I hear ya on the gun toters looking for blood. Thank goodness gun season just ended this week and I can get back into the field. Guerilla growers cant wear orange. Unleash da green does have some good strains. BreederBrad2 has several dandies. I grew out his congoleseXGG and it was very good. I like the canadian companies and their seeds. Any of the outdoor strains developed in canada finish. East Island is a good breeder as well as Kootenay Mountain. Their Grizzlies are very good outdoor plants. Im going with a couple of big yielders this year as well Sativa92. Big Bud and Great White Shark. Both are branch breakers so Ill have to plant them in 48" tomato cages. Like you, Im partial to growing strains I know well. |
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