[drehahn]

Hey Sundace, how come that you nearly post the exact wording in here as Evan wrote in an email to me yesterday?

anyway, some more comments.
you got me a bit more aroused now:
I did not invest money to have the HH tents analyzed. can I be blamed for that?
was not worth it for me. whatever they used, PVC, PU, or anything, I dont really care.
yes, i might have been too fast to conclude that the probelm lies in the PVC. but looking up properties of PU very roughly, it sounds to me it is not far away from PVC...
(side note) dont get me wrong on that: there also is safe PVC, and i guess there can also be safe PU. it just costs more to produce and to control. a lot of research is being done in that perspective.

but in the end, their boxes killed plants. end of the story. and what harmfull effect did their boxes have on growers? or on warehouse staff? or on the people producing the boxes in china?
did they ever wonder? did they ever care?
did they ever come up with a clear explanation?
did they ever publish a test result?

that they blame the overseas producer, if find quite poor.
we as a responsible supplier:
1. search for a trusted producer,
2. control the production in performing tests,
3. dont just go for the cheap and fast money, but invest a lot into research.
seems like he did not do so. and i feel it is his obligation to do so.

last but not least: i dont think HH did have any other chance then openly admitting their problem. just my personal opinion. all forums were full of people having these serious problems.
even we were asked a hundred times if our products had the same problem as the HH.
my opinion is that they can be lucky to be active in such a small industry. just look at the Melamin-scandal. what consequenses do such companies have to deal with?
for sure there are even worse companies out there, and seechance is one of them. but that, to me, does not make HH a good one.

And if someone feels insulted by me in my previous post. well, i just said how we feel about this issue in total.
how would you feel?
they took our boxes and copied them. they DID NOT make sure they sell proper products. and we as the inventor and cautious producer, were having to deal with the problem they caused. because their boxes looked like ours. and people thought their problems are our problems.

I leave it to all of you to decide if i have the right to be pissed or not.
and it will also be all of you, the consumers, who have to decide if they are going to purchase from such companies again.

I have NO influence on that. besides doing my job as good as i can. which is, making sure that we only bring out the best and most utterly tested and safe portable grow rooms.

Enough about HH from me. but i had to make that point clear.

I am open about further comments, also I am willing to learn, to correct myself if anything I stated is wrong. May the discussion continue. and yes, this turned out to become a very intense post, close to a product comparrison. i hope the forum members see it as what it is. i did not start it. i was asked to jump in as one of the addressed companies, and i try to explain our position.

and please, every tent manufacturer who feels insulted by the words with stars in my previous post: i apologize for making you think i might have thought of words that are insulting.
it was only to stress on the fact how strong we feel about the topic. see it as lyrical freedom to express feelings, not as personal aggression.

[neuroherb]

Sundance & Drehahn

I think we can all agree that the fault certainly doesn't lay with the consumers who purchased the problem tents. I for one appreciate all the manufacturers work who have looked into it and I also appreciate what has been published. But I am for consumer protection and I think it not only benefits the consumer in figuring this issue out while also putting some clearly identifiable marking system, but will also benefit the brands who can stand out to the consumer as seperate from dodgy copies that could kill their plants.

BTW Drehahn an email was sent to you via your registered info address on the Homebox site yesterday. There is no way for me to prove who you are etc.. from forum published information.

Also Sundance in it the offer is open to any manufacturer to supply follw up information as long as it is relevant & contains no profanity which will be added to the original post on this thread.

Over this weekend I will also be creating a form letter to send to all manufacturers to see if they would like to provide a statement for the original post. It is to the benefit of all consumers of these products along with the manufacturers that the full information that is available is put into the public domain so that they can make an informed decision.

[Sundance]

Sorry Dirk - but those are my words .. and my experience from having had to deal with this problem

Additionally, as far as toxicity goes ... Hydro Hut has been making and very successfully marketing their tents for years. They have many, many happy customers who continue to use this product with great success.

The problem with toxic tents only showed itself over the last 8-9 months ... clearly something nasty happened in the making of the tent material - which was supplied by a trusted manufacturer - the same trusted manufacturer used for years. The problem of toxicity certainly did not come about intentionally or because of any changes Hydro Hut made to their product, etc

This has been a nasty, one off problem ... that is aggressively being corrected ... and as a result the community can expect to see new, better and safer product coming from HH and your company as well

Originally Posted by drehahn

whatever they used, PVC, PU, or anything, I dont really care.
yes, i might have been too fast to conclude that the probelm lies in the PVC.
but looking up properties of PU very roughly, it sounds to me it is not far away from PVC...
(side note) dont get me wrong on that: there also is safe PVC, and i guess there can also be safe PU. it just costs more to produce and to control. a lot of research is being done in that perspective.

With all due respect - after reading your posts ... it seems to me ... that without your knowing the truth and all the facts - your very quick to lay blame

Originally Posted by drehahn

last but not least

Business 101. If you have a problem - be a man (unless your a woman), be man/woman enough to admit the problem, stand by and support your product, support your customers, correct the problem quickly, and get back to the drawing board to re-design your product/tents, use better and more reflective silver lined material, and incorporate design changes that will make your product/tents better than before, and better than what is currently available from others in the market - or your out of business

Companies constantly improve their products

Hydro Hut is very much in business ... new product with better, safer, more reflective silver lined material, and newly incorporated design changes to make their tents better than before, and better than what is currently available from others in the market will be available very soon ... again, under the circumstances, cant ask for more or better than that from anyone

Big up to HH for all that

Dirk - is your product patented ? What did your company do to protect its design, product and investment ?

I wish everyone well

Sundance

[neuroherb]

An additional note on the length of time this has been an issue. No argument with HH if they have been getting issue's only for 9 months. My products however were purchased in November 2007 which the date can be proved on the receipt Given time for the products to be imported from China this would roughly make the time of manufacture between summer and autumn 2007 depending on the production line lead times.

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by neuroherb

An additional note on the length of time this has been an issue. No argument with HH if they have been getting issue's only for 9 months. My products however were purchased in November 2007 which the date can be proved on the receipt Given time for the products to be imported from China this would roughly make the time of manufacture between summer and autumn 2007 depending on the production line lead times.

Thats my personal experience - give a few months .. time flies

I am not Hydro Hut

[drehahn]

to neuroherb:
about the CE mark: there is no such law until now to receive a CE sign for products like ours. we have done intense research and contacted many official places to try to get a hint on what to do or what standard can be aplied.
i can only repeat myself:
our homeboxes meet the EU regulations for Toys, and also the US regulations for household products.
all regulation names are listed in my threads above.

i received your email, am answering it right now.

[drehahn]

@ sundance: in my opinion and from what i read, you are Evan, or closely llinked to HH: which is not a problem to me, besides the fact that i do not understand why you have to hide.

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by drehahn

@ sundance: in my opinion and from what i read, you are Evan, or closely llinked to HH: which is not a problem to me, besides the fact that i do not understand why you have to hide.

Dirk .. now your being a jerk

I am not Evan ... not closely linked to him, or Hydro Hut

I am here at IC nearly 3 years now .. check out my posts before you go shooting your mouth off, and making stupid comments ... Oh, I forgot, after reading your previous posts and comments above, you prefer to shoot your mouth off first without knowing the truth, and/or all the facts

I am no different than any person on these boards - except for you ... and a potential customer

I own 2 Hydro Hut tents that need to be replaced ... have been caught up in this ... and did a little homework too

I never hide ... never even think that shit

With your attitude - I am more inclined to stick with Hydro Hut

What other stupid shit you got to say ?

[CaStoner]

Originally Posted by ChronicPow

Does anyone have experience with the HTG supply Grow Bright branded tent? I have I have one and I am beginning to become concerned for my health as well some newly transplanted babies. My fan is over kill so they don't seem to be exhibiting any problems as of yet (4 days), only a slight underfeeding during transplant, but who knows

I'm using growbright now for my Waterfarm there growing great! Bought in Sept 2007 I been told by HTGsupply there is never been a complaint about their tents. I'll keep my eye peeled for any signs, but they been there growing for awhile.

HTG Supply tents are good to grow!

[admiralcornport]

Bumpity bump.... Please sticky this thread!!!