[neuroherb]

Hey Kooza

Is that confirmed what the problem was for you in the thread Ive got linked?

Hows the grow doing, hope there on full recovery because otherwise they looked nice.

Good news on the refund, credit to the retailer is it?

[Kooza]

It hasn't been confirmed that it was the issue..They have only been out of it for 4 days and were close to 20 days in on the flip so I doubt I will see a huge recovery...The next batch of clones are in the dirt and will not be in a tent so if they turn out lush and green then I will know it was the issue...As for the refund I got the store to credit me which I used on another 1k....I had to menace them to no end though to get that refund/credit....They swore that sun hut had ZERO issues with off gassing....If that was the case then why did they just switch all their white tents to silver lined? Heh....

[neuroherb]

Well done then for holding the line to get the credit. Very little information and a lack of accepting the problem has been a fair bit of the issue.

I'll keep up to date on your recovery grow if your going to update it, but would be good to see how your next run goes.

[Fako Namo]

I still think it's fair to not that even cd's watches and perfumes are imitated, so are many products. Be wary, and do research before you lay down cash for anything.
Also people make mistakes over and under feeding all the time, lock ups, deficiencies, intake, etc. can all be working against you, man one time my computer broke, or I least I thought it did..................

[Chunkybuddha]

Originally Posted by neuroherb

The Secret Jardin doesn't feel plastic at all and while its a thinner nylon it is actually more light proof in there opinion.

Yeah it really is 100 per cent light proof as they claim. I figured around the zippers it would leak, but it is 100%.. Well until I tried opening the flap the wrong way and pulled a couple stitches out..

[drehahn]

Hello all,

I am Dirk, working with and for Homebox for many years now already.
you can prove that in sending a mail to "myname" at homebox.net.
Neuroherb: i tried to send you a PM, but I do not yet have the 50 posts needed to do so.
Homegrow3r brought me here.

thnx upfront for all customers who held up the flag for Hoembox products.

couple short remarks:

1. about the off-gassing problem: we are definitelly pissed, annoyed, etc, that now we have the "image" of maybe also producing low quality tents. it hurts. those EDITED copy-cats (sorry for swearing, but it really is so annoying) who copied our product one by one and did not give a flying EDITED bird about ethics, about consumers, about moral, now brought us that new problem. due to the assumption from many consumers: every tent must be bad. which is also the opinion of the thread starter. this means, many people think bad of the Homeboxes. They are afraid of purchasing one.

this is straight false.

please take your time to look up the test report, which is posted on our website. is is also mentioned in the first post of the thread.
this test repost is done by www.sgs.com.
they are a world wide reputated neutral test lab.
the report clearly says, that our material does not contain any measurable harmfull dyes, metals, nor phtalates. well, it contains 8mg/kg barium. BUT, the hardest limit (also stated in the report) is 1000mg/kg of Barium. so we are WAY BELOW the strongest restriction out there for household goods, or even children toys.
not sure what else we should do do show that we care. that we are doing all to prove that our products are safe. this test costs us more than 1000€.

do you know of any other tent producer that supplies you with such tests???
you will have to search long and still you will find none!

2. what is killing the plants: I have done even more research on that. just because i want to know. and most likely, it might be MVC. MonoVinylChloride. That stuff is the compound PVC is made of. When polymerization is not done properly, some MVC is left in the mateiral. THAT is highly toxic, and gasses out easily.
This harms plants and humans fast. also dangerous for people producing the tents, as well as people working in warehouses with these products.
The phtalates and metals and dyes contained in the materials might also have an effect. but the MVC would have strongest/fastest/most lethal effect. MVC CAN NOT be found in materials free of PVC (quite logical, right?)

3. i have to raise another issue: even if other tents DO NOT kill plants, they might harm the organisms being around it over long term. metals like lead, cadmium, etc, phtalates (softeners) might all migrate over long term. they then accumulate in plants (consumables??), and with that, in humans. so even though your box might not kill plants instantly, it might still poison you over the years. ever heard of lead poisoning, e.g.? worth investigating...

i can promise and PROVE through the test perfomed and regularly performed in future, that our products wont harm you or any organisms, short term or long term!

4. What regulations and limits are we refering to:
read our test report, and you also get the details of what SGS is referring to, when giving limits. or what they based their test criterias on.
it is very scientific, but well, thats what is is: science. correlated to regulations from US and EU laws.
for example: pg 4 of the report: the refer the german food laws: LFGB § 64 BVL B 82.02.2 and .4
EU DIRECTIVE 2005/84/EC (Toys safety)
page 5 metals: it refers to EN 71 PART 3 (migration of elements (metals) : toys safety): the limits are given there as well as our materials test results.

google these regulations, if you are not aware of them.

what else can you ask us to do? we give the test. we give the limits/directions/regulations. and we compare them to the results from our material.

Every new product we will bring onto the market in future will be approved as well. we want to be able to look every of our customers into the eye, now and 10 years from now, and not feel guilty at all. we could not sell products where we have the slightest doubt of them being problematic.
and, apart from others, we actively research BEFORE bringing a product onto the market. which is clearly NOT the case by many, if not all, other companies that sell grow tents.
the fact that only we publish info, that only we publish test reports, should be confirming that.

not sure how often i have time to post in this forum. we have a load full of work to do, we are a very small company, and we have some new, patented products in teh pipeline, exciting news for next spring, plus all the daily workload. but PM me if you have questions, or send me an email, I will do my best to answer all your further questions.

grow safe - and be aware: we´ve got you covered.
dirk

[drehahn]

just to make that complete, here is the link to our test report:
https://homebox.net/dhtml/downloads/T...al_Homebox.pdf

[drehahn]

Someone sent me a PM, but i cant access the PM board, due to not having posted 50 posts. so, if this person reads that, please resend by mail.

[drehahn]

tried to send a mail to help@icmag.com, did not work.... wanted to ask them to let me see my PM´s... wellwell.
so folks, remember i can not read any PM´s here. please send emails, or post in here.

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by neuroherb

By now some at least reading this post will have at least heard of the Offgassing effect within grow tents being reported throughout the internet. This is a confirmed effect admitted to by at least one manufacturer of these tents, however it is obvious with the amount of problems occurring from various suppliers that more of these tents are affected than is being admitted to by manufacturers.

At the moment only one grow tent manufacturer as openly stated that they have a problem that being Hydrohut.

Homebox claims its products are not affected by the Offgassing because they use a different plastic product to make their tents namely Polyethylene (PE) and claim that it is PVC based tents that are affected.

There full explanation along with a link to their test report can be viewed at https://www.homebox.net/dhtml/nopvc.php

This claim that PE is better than PVC seems somewhat supported by information on the Greenpeace site for alternatives to PVC.
https://archive.greenpeace.org/toxics...abase/bad.html

A few things to add

- At the moment the only one grow tent manufacturer that has openly stated that they have a problem is Hydro Hut

Hydro Hut has been making their tents for years, and never had a problem with their product until 8-9 months ago when this issue first turned up. Important to note, that the cause of this problem is not due to any changes Hydro Hut made - it was and is the fault of the overseas material maker

- In researching and talking this problem up, I found that - Hydro Hut does not, and has never used PVC ... only PU

- Those that are having problems with Sunhut and Habitat, and odd name brands should contact the manufacturer directly, and tell them your story

Here is a link https://seechance.en.alibaba.com/ .. Owners name is Colin .. Going to the distributor wont help as much

Hydro Hut has re-designed their tents - are using better and more reflective silver lined material ... and incorporated design changes that will make their tents better than before, and better than what is currently available from others in the market

Hydro Hut's new line of tents will be available " very soon " ... keep checking the website

Its been a tough time - but thankfully, this issue is being sorted .. and better products for the community are just ahead