[melinda]

I have an old GROWTRON does anyone remember them?
When moving house two panels got broken and I replaced them with a type of particleboard.
After reading this thread I am going to change it .
Don't want to poison myself...

[kushkommander]

had my bubblegum mom in a drizo tent for 2 days and now it is showing signs of offgassing....so i took the tent down and back into the closet it goes...how can you treat the leaves so they wont all die, over 50% of them have brown spotting on them...any hope?

Originally Posted by kushkommander

had my bubblegum mom in a drizo tent for 2 days and now it is showing signs of offgassing....so i took the tent down and back into the closet it goes...how can you treat the leaves so they wont all die, over 50% of them have brown spotting on them...any hope?

Mine never fully recovered, not even the clones I took lived up to potential. With mine they kind a stayed midget :(
Give it a shoot, let us know how it goes.

Kindman

[ft100]

watch out for budboxes as well. some are good, some are not, not worth the risk. go homebox or growlab. peace smoke

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by IndoorMojo

You couldn't be more wrong. HH's were never made from PVC and it's been told over and over and over. Secondly, it is the plasticisers from the plastics, not the plastics which outgas. PE and PU don't outgas. Certain plasticisers from any type of plastic will outgas. Only a few plastisicers will hurt plants at miniscule levels.

Homebox quietly changed mfrs a few years ago. I still own a homebox from Europe from 2004. It is very soft plastic just like the others were. Now homebox is a brittle PE. Before homebox changed its plastic there were problems in Spain around 04-05. I am writing to a Spanish wholesaler for his story on this as he swears he had trouble with his hombox sales.

Most importantly, homebox's test is complete crap. Yep, you actually just read me write that. I'll explain: Homebox very slyly ordered their test to the wrong standard. When ordering a plastics test you must specify to what standard you want the plastic tested. Homebox chose children's toys and household items. Big mistake. Children's toys are not enclosed tents with large heat sources, nor are household items. Homeboxes test clearly shows the test standard measured in milligrams. Plasticizers kill plants at the picogram level which means homebox's test couldn't even measure that minute amount because they chose the wrong standard. Why did they do this? They have no clue what the problem is about. To kill a plant it takes picograms to do it. To hurt a human it takes milligrams of that same plasticiser. So, stop wondering if any bad tents hurt humans--they do not. Please start wondering why homebox did this and then included bullshit to make everyone worry about human health. Totally unethical.

Homebox is not pristine and they in fact have a lot to answer for. There is a huge difference betweem 10 to the -3 and 10 to the -12 (where they were required to measure to. They do not and never have understood what makes the plants die. Homebox has been duping the world.

Anyone notice how this guy said milligrams of it are harmful to humans and then in the same breath said that a test they performed on their plastic measuring in this scale has no valid data? When in fact it shows that the levels harmful to humans are within acceptable health limitations?

How do you make a point and then stab it in the back in the same breath? I don't know.

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by Sundance

ROL ... I dont know shit .. except ... something like that is so fucking crazy ... and insane

Off the charts crazy - dont you think ?

I got nothing to do with Hydro Hut or shilling anyones product .. I just dont give a fuck and less

I do stand behind, support and recommend good product and people ... Hydro Hut's problem was not intentional .. under the circumstances they have been great to me .. replaced my 2 tents for free with great new product ... and been gentleman about it ... just telling my experience .. and keeping the record straight

Toxic Hydro Hut Tents are history .. and thing of the past ... they have great new product available .. and it kicks ass .. thats fact .. not shilling

If you're not a shill then what are you, I didn't even want to comment on this but that first line is a logical straw-man arguement, I'm well familiar with psy ops and manipulations of perception and that's just what you did, he suggested you have internal knowledge that no list was created, yet when he calls you on it you mock his intelligence and sanity trying to make him look disreputable... the man had a valid question and you snow balled him, that reeks of shill and I say this as just some guy off the streets =)

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by Sundance

What the fuck is the matter with you ? .. after reading your post carefully .. I cant help but conclude that you really are sick .. this is pathetic .. never the less - you need to learn a lesson

For starters ... Here is what you said



and

I answered - see my post above

Whats the matter - you dont like my answer ?

You dont see some problems with any of what they said ?

Thats all I got - and I could care less about Homebox ... as I have said 2 times now .. in fact, I was not going to make my last post, but you asked for it



WTF are you talking about ... I dont quote anyone ... never did such a thing ... why dont you refresh everyone - fact is your so full of shit here you cant ... because it never, ever happened ... laughable

I came across Dirk only once in the thread listed ... as he said himself



I could care less about Dirk .. you .. or Homebox

Your asking for facts .. I provided it ... you dont like the facts - so now I am out to get Homebox ... ROLMAO

Stop typing .. STFU ... go take a shower .. or a nap or something .. and get some help .. you need it .. this is very tiring .. and boring

Ok lets see

A) You suck up to HydroHut, I'm willing to admit more than a few off brand tents had the same issue, HydroHut just seems the be the biggest name effected.

B) You say you don't care about ruining Homebox's reputation yet you refer to it as "Homobox" in several threads, and have failed like Sundance stated to point out a single grow log anywhere on the internet that shows toxic out gassing in one of their units.

C) You pretend to be an authority on if or if not they created a list for those affected by the out gassing and replacement program they engaged in (good for them own your mistakes, build for the future). Then you use a straw man argument that asked a poignant question.

I do not approve of your conduct nor anyone else's in here, the fact remain toxic problems happened, people lost money, they lost time, they lost plants, and they should be rightfully angry, and companies that are not fourth coming on this issue should lose all respect and repeat business, as well as be put out there as a potential risk.

That said there were several makers that declined public comment simply because they did not have the same problems as the others.

I will give HydroHut respect in that they acknowledged the issue and replaced the offending units, based on their own processes.

The fact is customers were raped by this issue and if they feel resentment towards the companies that potentially took thousands out of their pockets for a grow tent that is one tenth of that then I can certainly understand their positions, you Sundance seem to be ignorant of the ramifications of their lax quality control and in denial of the consequences as a whole for the community this ordeal was.

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by Sundance

Your pathetic ... and just wont stop

" Sounds like " .. " Hard to say "

Fact is - you dont know shit, who, what or anything regarding the person who sold these tents .. or if they had anything at all to do with Hydro Hut at all - you should STFU and stop talking about shit you know zero about

Incredible

BTW - its you who handled the off gassing issue poorly .. and are where you are because if it

What is incredible is you two haven't been banned for disrupting the community of IC, especially you Sundance, you keep talking shit, why don't you shut your mouth and you pay all the people that had their crops raped. Otherwise I'd take that bravado out of your typing and start acting humble.

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by Sundance

Yes your free to offer your opinion .. but your speculation is nothing more than speculation .. wild at that ... and nothing more than blabbin your lips .. complete bullshit .. and wrong in fact

Your no expert ... and clearly dont know shit ... Stop speaking for anyone but yourself



Correct Berbes ... Bo lost it ... and fucked up a good, informative thread with personal his attacks ... complete bullshit ... and immature drivel .. he wouldnt let it go ... and got a good bitch slapping in return

Some people dont know when to STFU

Sucks - but all it takes is one, selfish, un-controllable asshole to fuck things up for everyone

Consider banning Sundance, he came in there, he started the argument shilling for HydroHut, he wouldn't let it go, he kept insulting anyone that brought up a valid question, he claims this other person is speculating and they're... but he's doing the same thing at the same time trying to destroy the reputation of Homebox..... I've read tens of threads on this out gassing issue and never once have I personally seen anyone say a Homebox did this, or a Secret Jardin, not one person.

I've got a tent from California Nurseries on Ebay, and the stitching is sub par, but I only payed around 170 for it, the interior is the same silver material everyone else is using, the tray on the bottom is the silver too, the zippers are good, light holes peak through the outer material as has been noted with so many other higher priced models so I was relieved of that.

I've experienced no out gassing issues what so ever, so I would say the silver lined ones are the safest bet out there and beware of the white plastic ones still being offered on Ebay to this day.

[LeoRexTyrannus]

Originally Posted by Sundance

Indeed - the new series of Silver Lined tents from Hydro Hut are kick ass

I have 2 new tents .. my plants are in 2 -3 weeks now .. and doing great .. I am very happy with the quality of the tents ... and that my environment is correct

In addition to the Silver Lined series of tents ... Hydro Hut had an ad in Growing Edge Magazine describing their new line of tents coming out called " Stealth Insulator " that is Thermal Insulated and IR Blocked

Hydro Hut has been designing these tents for 2 + years .. toxic thing came up ... Silver Series came up .. and the new line of " Insulator Stealth " should be available in the next 4-6 months

Great idea

www.hydrohuts.com

Post after post after post and you're obviously a shill.

How do you know when their new tents are coming out? Why do you care? Why do you feel like you're advertising on these forums for free. Why are you directly linking to a site anyone could find with five seconds and a search engine. They didn't design anything, as I understand it Homebox was first and everyone else is a copy cat, maybe they're quality copies, but they're copies none the less, I've read else where and HydroHut took months to acknowledge the issue, here's a suggestion before you sell people tents you know they're going to be growing extremely valuable cash crops in, how about you do at least ONE TEST GROW OF YOUR OWN. If you can't do that, maybe you shouldn't be selling them in the first place. Its called Quality Control, any serious business has it, fly by nights do not.

I can admit the new Hydro Huts could be awesome, I've heard some warm things now that it's 2009 and the toxic out gassing seems to be over for the most part, but the way you suck up to them Sundance... is SHILLTACULAR, you have not had one positive thing to say about ANY OTHER BRAND, NOT ONE, NOT ONE SINGLE PRODUCT, while at the same time mocking Homebox by calling it "Homobox".

You sir are an idiot, a moron and a clown, I've read five pages of your posts now, all you do is use straw man arguments, and resort to insulting people to make them look as if they're lesser than yourself, I can tell you right now my IQ shits on yours and your pathetic little brain and your games you're playing even though they're not my business, have CAUSED me to post these messages pointing out your logical fallacies, your straw men arguments, and your speculations you define as fact.

This is the only thread on IC I've seen with people arguing like this, and frankly I believe you need to be banned for the good of the community as a whole.