[IndoorMojo]

Hello Dirk, always a pleasure! I’m glad you are back with us. Nothing I’ve written to you has been below the line. I have nothing personal against you, I’m not sure that you can say the same thing. Ready for our little lesson on Ass-Whoop today?

There are inconsistencies with certain portions of your reporting, testing and press about those issues. I am addressing those and that might twist your panties a bit but I do understand why. I won’t address most of your bullshit claims about my company, I’m done with that.

Clients are asking for truth and clarity in this tent situation and there is definitely a group that doesn’t hold my products in a high regard but I believe that to be do partly NOW to a lot of badmouthing based on a relatively few amount of people in the demographic who chose not to ever understand. I have a right to express myself, defend myself and products and rebut some of the information that you put forth as fact that we totally disagree with; little things, you know like that science stuff.

Dirk, Greenpeace is as biased as one can get. They are an extreme group and nobody would expect them to say anything other than plastic is the devil. We humans however live in the real world were plastic is everywhere. The organization that I put forth as but once piece of our research, the European Council for Plasticizers and Intermediates certainly counter-balances the radical group you put forth.

This plant/plastic problem has nothing; absolutely nothing to do with the Chinese milk powder industry, why go there? Your attempt is to link an EU council who has responsibilities to uphold and to help protect citizens is hardly a comparison to greedy companies making milk! You are comparing apples to oranges. No go.

I would like to add that this was not our only source by far. Ridiculous for you to think so sir. One of our main sources is a series of three studies, on the same problem, but from different decades. I gave this info to Neuroherb for posting but I’m posting it here again.

The Plant/Plastic problem explained exactly

https://133.5.207.201/ijob/Biotronics...V13_p39-42.pdf


Please read the link Dirk and tell me why you claim the problem isn’t the white plastic, or perhaps not only the white plastic?


Part 2

Dirk, you complain about having to clean up my shit. Very tiring argument. If your tents have never hurt or killed plants, then you have no shit to clean up. You point to the product, you point to satisfied clients, you point to science and you keep selling. Certainly there are numerous tent brands on the market now which hurt plants. Reading you, one would think that the HydroHut was the only one. You attempt to deflect the problem onto me using nasty methods such as saying we don’t care about our clients or calling my old HydroHut the Death Hut (I see you’ve been spending time with Gabby, that is his euphemism), but that is in the past now and you currently spreading hyperbolic lies around isn’t going to change the fact that my old tents are gone and a new product is now being sold and we are illuminating the problem to the world, not you. The problem is that you don’t have the science you need, you do not understand it and in fact most people wouldn’t either, including me, but I have one advantage. My only partner in my business is a PhD and teaches physical chemistry at university level. This particular university is linked to JPL. Every heard of them? He teaches me (it takes him forever as I’m not a science major at all, you know just a dumb American), he studies what you offered as evidence and he has explained to me how you are attempting to fool the world. Perhaps you may not know the mistakes you made or perhaps you do and you are counting on what you’ve done to make people feel better. It is wrong! Placating people is not science. Scaring them about their health is criminal when you should know better.

The lab you chose is well known and their results are 100% correct. I’ve never argued that your lab made a mistake as they did not. They did exactly what you asked them to do and they gave you an answer. The problem starts here. You did not understand the real toxic problem, you did not understand what to ask your lab to do, you did not understand how to interpret the results and therefore you posted the results giving them meaning that they indeed did not have. That makes your test useless! Like it or not, you messed up. It also means that you are actively misleading the plant growing public.

For exactly the reason that you put so much blame on others incorrectly so, the fact that you called me out using a bunch of names, the fact that you have whether intentionally or not intentionally totally misled the public world-wide, I will, through the help of my partner, prove you wrong and expose your mistakes. Thank you by the way Dirk for explaining the Gas Phase Chromatograph that is a big word for me!

Dirk, you state that you use PE to make your tents and that PE doesn’t need to use plasticizers and we agree with you 100%. So why then did you go to your reputable lab and order a test for plasticizers that you and we already know are NOT in your tent? If we all know they ain’t in there, what does your test show us? That you do not use them! That is it, nothing more. It doesn’t scientifically prove that what you do use in your tent, which thus far nobody really knows isn’t harmful in some or anyway to plants? We know that your tents, which don’t have those specific plasticizers in it because they don’t need them for PE don’t exceed the EU standards for those plasticizers in children’s toys! Now is a good time to mention melamine in the milk in China! What the fuck do we care if your tents don’t have plasticizers in them and if they did, the child won’t get hurt? Help me out here? This is a plant growing tent last time I checked unless you’re going to start making portable glory hole tents? See what I mean about confusing the public?

Remember, we already agree that your tent is made of PE. So why then did you NOT test the PE itself to give everyone a test result on something you DO use in your tent? If you had, we would at least know that your PE is good for Glory Hole Boxes or that if your child wanders in and plays on the floor for month, he too wouldn’t be hurt by your PE. But, we still wouldn’t know if your tent was safe for plants!! Do you get it now?

You said all confidently that there is no standard for plants yet! CORRECT! There is no fucking standard for plants yet! There should be, but there ain’t! What the fuck are you testing for then??? I’m very curious, please help me out.

Plants and humans use two totally different standards and in this case, it is the plant that is much more sensitive than the human, period! This is why I earlier mentioned the difference between 10 to -3 and 10 to the -12! You tested to 10 to the -3 and you tested exactly what you knew wasn’t present. Congratulations! Everyone can suck your tent in their mouth and not get what we know already isn’t there. Whew, I feel better now about your scientific method. Should we revisit milk and melamine again?

Dirk, we can safely say that if your tent ever hurts plants, it isn’t from any plasticizers that you tested for, there aren’t any.

Most tents in our market will probably pass whatever country’s test for children’s toys. Only problem is, like we found out, the test isn’t good enough for plants.

Part 3


When you make a white tent, you use something to adhere or attach the white plastic surface to the canvas surface, even you Dirk. Heat works, but it works in conjunction with a glue, or plasticizer, or an organic solvent of some sort (gasoline, alcohol, take your pick, there are many of them to choose from). The white doesn’t stick itself to the canvas and this process is different from using the Mylar type surfaces with canvas. So, what did you use to attach the white to your canvas? Did you test whatever it is you used? Do you even know what the factory used? Can this substance be put into the mouths of children? Better yet, is this substance toxic to plants if introduced to them?

Dirk, I have no idea why you told me about the best temps to grow plants in? I mentioned that it is hotter in Spain and I will add for most of the year, than in Germany. People often travel to Spain to enjoy the sun. People do not travel to Germany generally to enjoy the sun! Heat plays a part in the release of plasticizers. Go tell your wife that if you’re laughing by the time you get home. Most homes in Germany are not air conditioned as they do not need to be save one month or so each year during the height of summer. Contrarily, it is hot much of the year in Spain but most people still do not have air conditioning in their houses. Therefore genius, more growers don’t have their rooms properly acclimatized to growing under perfect conditions. Heat is a problem. You never quite understood this in your designs.

The company is Spain that you attempt to discredit will answer for itself. I do not speak for them. That being said Dirk; I do not believe you are telling the public the whole and truthful story. You were the ONLY tent mfr for growing purposes around during that time. I don’t believe you had any competition yet. I wasn’t selling into Europe at that time. I came later and I only sold into France for a little while. I’m coming back to say hello to you though, get out the blood sausage and put on your lederhosen!

Once again Dirk you got my history wrong. I tell you this because you obviously think that I got your tent from someone in Holland and you’re wrong. Whomever you’ve been hating all these years in Holland is innocent. Our Huts were never made at Seechance in China. That is my enemy! That is where the Habitat, Biofloral and the SunHut are made and if you look Dork, they copied my tent, not yours—steel poles and corners, flanges, more vents etc.! Get over your issues.

Everyone who actually pays attention to the market there knows I have my own factory and it isn’t open to other business. Check your facts on Seechance or not. It matters not to me. Seechance is unethical and they are hurting our market and the world. Sorry to “fuck you” a third time Dirk but you just don’t have a clue about that which you speak. We are based in Tianjin. Ask David if you don’t believe me. Your new partner is a good guy. Which leads me to your new move into the USA with the Darkroom boys. That is the best thing you’ve done in a long time! It is seriously a terrific strategic move. Bravo.

What happened to Darkroom? They had such popularity, this is a very strange turn of events but it is a great move for you, I admit.

Dirk, I think it is against this website’s rules to out people. I can out myself but you really shouldn’t out me. Shame on you a fourth time.

[basilfarmer]

does anyone know if black and white poly might have the same problems?

It doesnt say if it contains pvc or not.

thanks

[Homegrow3r]

This gets funnier, the hydrohut guys are out in force.

I can put up pics of healthy grows in white lined tents but others claim their day is over, well that'd be because some manufacturers substandard manufacturing caused problems, I don't think Homebox was one of them, still have to see some proof, apart from handbags at ten paces. Sundance, you have not offered one shred of proof yet, just substance free posts where you mostly call Bojangles a moron, very productive and informative that one.
You have a type of proof as Lionel Hutz would say, "Conjecture, that's a type of proof."

[Sundance]

Originally Posted by Homegrow3r

I can put up pics of healthy grows in white lined tents but others claim their day is over, well that'd be because some manufacturers substandard manufacturing caused problems, I don't think Homebox was one of them, still have to see some proof, apart from handbags at ten paces. Sundance, you have not offered one shred of proof yet, just substance free posts where you mostly call Bojangles a moron, very productive and informative that one.
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Correct ... as I have said several times, including in my post right above you - never had anything to say ... and still dont on the matter

But thanks anyway

As for the rest - very well deserved

Personally - I would not buy a white plastic tent - good luck with yours

[RamCTD1027]

Dont mean to go off course here but I saw someone state earlier in the thread that they had problems with their SUNHUT. I recently bought a SUNHUT with a silver lining and the store manager swore that this was a new design and has no off-gassing issues. Can anyone confirm or deny whether this is true? Are the silver lined SUNHUTS free of issues??? Thanks for the help.

[Mr. Bongjangles]

If it has a white plastic floor, either return it or chuck the floor part.

They have hopefully stopped using the white plastic floor by now but I don't know for sure.

If it has a silver material floor, you're good to grow man.

[Pirate]

does anyone know if black and white poly might have the same problems?

It doesnt say if it contains pvc or not.

thanks

Panda does off-gas.

I can't believe that these huts are still an issue. I bought a Jardin last year and never looked back.

Pirate

[RamCTD1027]

I appreciate the fast response Mr. Bong. I purchased the SUNHUT over a month ago and it's the newer version....the "SUNHUT Silver." It has a silver lining and a silver floor, but they are still selling them with a white PVC floor covering. Without thinking, I installed the white floor covering which I think has caused all my issues. I ripped the floor out last night and tossed it aside. What should I do now? I have about 30 un-rooted clones, 3 rooted clones, and 10 seedlings in the tent. The seedlings, as well as the 3 rooted clones are showing the off-gassing issues. Now that the white floor has been removed, should the plants turn around or should I scrap the SUNHUT and try to get a refund? Do I need to remove all plants from the hut even though I removed the floor already?

Thanks again for the help,
Ram

[Mr. Bongjangles]

If the floor piece is gone, just keep giving your plants TLC and they should recover.

Do let us know if not, but to my knowledge it was just the white plastic floor cover thing that was causing problems.

The refund thing is up to you, but I bet they might just send you a replacement floor cover thing if you ask, but if not, yeah I imagine a refund would be in order.

Good luck man!

[AlterEcho]

I posted this in another discussion...but here it is as well.

I have some news that might be of interest.

Plenty of people know I am a licensed medical grower and make no bones about it. Some of you know me from other discussion groups and some know me from the medical community. I have quite a few friends that are indoor veggie growers.

I call it as I see it and if a product is a failure (whether by design or the manufacturers failure to back the product) then I spread that around. Because no one wants to see others fall for the same mistakes. With that said...

I ran into a friend of mine at a local hydro store when I flew out to southern California. After catching up on the local gossip we got on the subject of grow tents (since there was an assembled tent in front of us). Of course the subject of off gassing came up. Unlike me, he had issues with his plants using a HydroHut. In his case, even using a high exchange rate still affected his plants to a certain degree. So he contacted HydroHut, last week, and told them of his issues. HydroHut asked him for his address and told him to be expecting a new tent, to replace the old one. That was it...no quibbling, no argument, just give us your address and expect a new tent. Needless to say I was floored...I mean seldom do you hear stories of a manufacturer taking care of the consumer and rectifying past mistakes, so easily. My friend was so impressed that he is purchasing two more HydroHuts. His reasoning is that he knows that he can go to HydroHut if he has any issues...and HydroHut will take care of it.

So, I contacted HydroHut to see what the deal was. And sure enough, they were willing to replace my tent at no cost to me. I also asked them why it took so long to bring this about. HydroHut stated that it took over ten months just to test their new model...making sure that they were not experiencing any issues with that model. It also took a while to figure out if it was truly a tent issue.

So, I am going to place an order for another HydroHut. And here is my reasoning:

1) Jardin is having problems with their distributor and BGHYDRO is already dropping them. That worries me...
2) I know HydroHut will try to make me a happy customer. They were willing to replace my tent, no questions asked. I have no experience with the other manufacturers, so they are an unknown quantity.
3) I was very happy with the build quality of my HydroHut. I experienced no wear issues.

So there you have it...the Darkroom is out of the picture and I will be going for a HydroHut. I will post some pics (let me know if there are pics of certain items that you want) when it arrives and give you the low down on the build quality. The size of the one coming is about 4x8...

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