[Sheeba]

Originally Posted by animal#1

FWIW Pro Mix HP comes pre innoculated with mycos...

There Mycorise version ya.... but thats only one of the many benneficial bateria strains available when you use Voodoo + P&T...

Originally Posted by washed up

I guess p&t will work w a soiless mix, but why do you need it in a sterile hydro environment. I was told benes are to replace what you kill in live soil with salt based ferts. Bet you didn't know there's high nitrogen levels in both p&t. They add heavy harvest spring to it. Advanced makes some good products. Mykes, as well as myco-paks do the same thing for a LOT less w/o the nitrogen pellets. Voodoo has no N and that is why I only use it. See, when you use 400gal of solution every week, you use a lot.. I see no point in using it once a healthy root structure is established. Wasting money? Toohigh isn't a real grower? Seems he got vegas runnin right. What makes you a real grower? he might not be the most liked, but I never heard he didn't know what he was talking about. Enlighten me please.

Dude you really have to stop repeating what your TOLD..... I am talking about real world experience here man.......

Benne's arnt to replace anything.... They're an additive to help with the uptake of nutrients....

There is no nitrogen levels in P&T they only help the plant uptake available nitrogen and other nutrients that wouldnt be readily available to the plant... They especialy help if your using organics.. but if you use it with say connoisseur you can get away with using a lot less salt based nutes...

I have never once seen a grow from 2highmf... i have only heard negative things about the guy.......

I've also only been growing for just over a year so I guess I havnt been around much....

[washed up]

aaaaah, but you are if your using salt based ferts as mentioned above, you are growing hydro. Why not do a comparrison? Try your formula, vs my formula without benes. Give the plants more food than all the other crap. I bet if you went to straight Lucas formula and nothing else, you will yeild better than your current beneficial conglomeration. If your soiless mix already has mycs in it, why add more? 3 part or conny, big bud h2o2 overdrive at the right time and carbo w calmag throughout will kill these 2+ schemes. AN wants you to believe it. Be my guest to help a crappy bunch of entrepeneurs screwing their own distributors to get even more cash for their genius marketing. I use the AN products I believe in. Big bud, voodoo and emerald shamen are about the only products I really like from them. If I found a L-amino based product, I would stop using big bud. Just add more bloom and calmag. Search Hola~, and check out pics of his grow before you dog the guy. You obviously never saw his 26 lighter or his thousands of tech support replies on the AN forums. I think TH helped a lot more than he hurt. For a newb, you should be askin questions than calling someone stupid who has a lot more experience, particularly with advanced. I may not know as much as he does, but I learned a lot and apply it to my own grows. He hasn't done me wrong and my grows get better and better as I help him out. Look him up before talking shit. Everyone deserves a benefit of the doubt, including you all. Just trying to help.

[Koskesh]

lawl.. relax fellas. anyway after lots of reading people's grow shows, i'll be using gh flora micro and bloom (lucas), with carbo, big bud, overdrive, and cal-mag. maybe a little floralicious grow during veg, prob not.

haven't decided whether to use carbo as directed (1ml throughout) or just use it at the end instead of grandma's - thoughts?

[Sheeba]

Originally Posted by washed up

aaaaah, but you are if your using salt based ferts as mentioned above, you are growing hydro. Why not do a comparrison? Try your formula, vs my formula without benes. Give the plants more food than all the other crap. I bet if you went to straight Lucas formula and nothing else, you will yeild better than your current beneficial conglomeration. If your soiless mix already has mycs in it, why add more? 3 part or conny, big bud h2o2 overdrive at the right time and carbo w calmag throughout will kill these 2+ schemes. AN wants you to believe it. Be my guest to help a crappy bunch of entrepeneurs screwing their own distributors to get even more cash for their genius marketing. I use the AN products I believe in. Big bud, voodoo and emerald shamen are about the only products I really like from them. If I found a L-amino based product, I would stop using big bud. Just add more bloom and calmag. Search Hola~, and check out pics of his grow before you dog the guy. You obviously never saw his 26 lighter or his thousands of tech support replies on the AN forums. I think TH helped a lot more than he hurt. For a newb, you should be askin questions than calling someone stupid who has a lot more experience, particularly with advanced. I may not know as much as he does, but I learned a lot and apply it to my own grows. He hasn't done me wrong and my grows get better and better as I help him out. Look him up before talking shit. Everyone deserves a benefit of the doubt, including you all. Just trying to help.

Never been on the AN forum.......

Sorry your post makes no sence to me what so ever....

I have done a comparison with only using a base nute and a few salt additives and then using Connoisseur with ONLY organic adds eg. Voodoo P&T MET BLOOM.... LIquid Karma or Nirvana.... IME LK is better.

Your not trying to help... your trying to act like you know everything... but I can almost guarentee you cannot post up any pics of a decent grow show....


IMO: Carboload is absolutely pointless unless your running benneficial bacteria... The carbs are food for the bacteria... the plants cannot uptake carbs right into their roots.... it has to be broken down first...

[toohighmf]

Originally Posted by Koskesh

lawl.. relax fellas. anyway after lots of reading people's grow shows, i'll be using gh flora micro and bloom (lucas), with carbo, big bud, overdrive, and cal-mag. maybe a little floralicious grow during veg, prob not.

haven't decided whether to use carbo as directed (1ml throughout) or just use it at the end instead of grandma's - thoughts?

K: sheeba is a 24 yo punk thief who knows jack shit about innoculants, and other beneficials. Dirt farmers have been using mollasses to leach ferts and pack some fat on for years. Carbo is just sugars like mollassses. I flush with it. I use humic/fulvic throughout then use carbs unless your using benies. From the regiment you asked I use the same stuff, I use florilicious plus in bloom as well as barricade (potassium silicate) as a ph up.

[Koskesh]

cheers toohigh, i'll only use carbo for the flush. good idea on the barricade, is it very strong as a ph+? like if you only need to go up a few points will you have to dump in a ton of barricade? or well within the recommended dosage? i'm in promix and with full nutes my water is 5.8 which is too low and i don't like using potassium hydroxide

[toohighmf]

you only need drops. It 100% ptassium silicate. Only 100% that I know of. Keep it hydro man!