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ksac · 10-10-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dongle69

So I just got the scoop from Nutrilife (makers of sm-90).

SM-90 does not harm or kill beneficial bacteria or enzymes.

So products like Hygrozyme, Cannazym, and Hydroguard are good to go, as well as Mycorrhizal based products.

They said they ran tests so there you go...

Strange, the place I get my SM-90 from has this on their website:

"NOTE: SM-90 will inhibit beneficial bacterial colonization. If you are trying to promote bacteria growth in your garden, this may not be a desirable additive."

10-10-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aligee

So is this sm -90 back on the shelf, in my part of cali there selling mm-2000 instead saying its the same different label, anyone else seen this?

Yeah it is back on the shelves, but I had a store tell me the same thing because they didn't have the sm-90.
I don't think they are the same, but the link to the msds sheet is down on the Grotek site...

10-10-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ksac

Strange, the place I get my SM-90 from has this on their website:

"NOTE: SM-90 will inhibit beneficial bacterial colonization. If you are trying to promote bacteria growth in your garden, this may not be a desirable additive."

I guess they need to get the straight dope from the manufacturer instead of perpetuating a myth?

ksac · 10-10-2008, 08:13 PM

Yes they do. I'm glad that you shared that information though. Good stuff.

Fast_Pine · 10-11-2008, 04:03 PM

Im suprised that yall havent mentioned spider mites....in my oppinion THAT'S what SM-90 is for. Spider mite 90.

humble1 · 10-11-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dongle69

They said they ran tests so there you go...

And I follow all the charts telling me to feed up to 1800ppm because the fertilizer manufacturers tell me to do it.........

Ask anyone specializing in bacteria or fungi what a sudden introduction of alcohol would do. ethanol is alcohol.

I love SM-90, but until there's a link to an independent study that confirms their "data" regarding bacteria or fungi, I'm calling B.S. on that.

10-11-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by humble1

And I follow all the charts telling me to feed up to 1800ppm because the fertilizer manufacturers tell me to do it.........

Ask anyone specializing in bacteria or fungi what a sudden introduction of alcohol would do. ethanol is alcohol.

I love SM-90, but until there's a link to an independent study that confirms their "data" regarding bacteria or fungi, I'm calling B.S. on that.

You should call them and get the data before you shit on them in public...

rootfingers · 10-11-2008, 09:20 PM

Having had a serious fungus gnat problem for the past couple grows I have looked into all sorts of ways to get rid of them. They are near impossible to eradicate it seems but can be kept under control if one tries hard. I have tried: gnatrol - still currently using, it takes three weeks supposedly but after two they don't seem to be very worried, a layer of perlite - because I am in coco and it is watered daily the surface is always wet, the perlite picks up on this moisture and creates a nice new breeding ground for fungus gnats, sticky yellow traps - the gnats are attracted to the yellow color and stick to the adhesive covering it (think yellow fly paper) these work to kill the flying adults and also give you a good idea of how big the problem is, and sm-90.

It seems to me sm-90 doesn't really do much if you are looking to eradicate fungus gnats. I think the coriander oil is that nice smell you get and that is what disturbs the gnats temporarily. It does not kill fungus gnat larva though, and from what I have seen does little to interrupt the life cycle period. Just keeps them off the surface for a few days. <just what i figure from my experiences.

Sm-90 does seem to keep the roots a little happier and I also believe the surficant properties help more evenly distribute water/nutrients through my coco. I have not tested this, again, just noticed what seems to be.

00420 · 10-12-2008, 02:33 AM

sm-90 took out my gnat prob..... rootfingers maybe you just did not use enuff? it dose ont take out the ones flying but it sure as hell took out there breeding ground's and laid off the larva.... i would try again and double up the dose this time??? or maybe try multi dose's .....

dongle69 i call BS on who told you this as well... i will call monday too find out my self thx for letting me know it's back on the shelf here in cali i will get my hydrostore stcoked back on it.. i was bum'd when it was taken off and had to order it from outa state

Use Nutrilife SM-90 to prevent or treat bacteria, fungus and insect problems. SM-90 is prepared from natural plant oils - the organic composition of SM-90 is biodegradable and non-toxic to humans, animals and plants!

SM-90 is a good product to use from day one with your plants to keep them healthy and pest / disease free. Use as a foliar spray or root feed in both soil and hydroponics gardens.

Root Disease: SM-90 inhibits common anaerobic fungal and bacterial pathogens. Use for any root disease from ascomycetes pathogens including fusarium, pythium, rhizoctonia, phytopthera and sclerotinia. When added in small quantities to plant nutrient solutions, root disease infestations are inhibited and new root growth emerges. Treated plants develop greater root area and root runs and exhibit a generally healthier root development. Application rate: Apply 2 - 3 ml for each gallon of nutrient solution on a weekly basis.

Plant Infestations: Treat leaf or stem infestations by appying as a foliar spray. SM-90 eliminates many molds, mildew and leaf spot and is also effective for botrytis, blight, fusarium, leaf mold, rhizoctonia stem rot, sclerotinia stem rot and others. SM-90 also discourages and eliminates many common pests including aphids, thrips, spider mite, and whitefly. It is believed to act as a systemic to inhibit insect colonization and to deter reinfestation. Application rate: Mix 1 part SM-90 with 5 parts water. Spray directly on plant leaves and stems - be sure to spray entire plant as a prevention measure. Repeat every 3 days for up to 3 applications. Spray plants with water to prevent excess build during repeated applications.

An added benefit of SM-90 is an increase in metabolism and growth rate when used on a regular basis. A great choice for growers looking for a safe product to use on their consumable crops. Be sure to spray diluted solution within 8 hours of mixing. Keep away from sunlight.

NOTE: SM-90 will inhibit beneficial bacterial colonization. If you are trying to promote bacteria growth in your garden, this may not be a desirable additive.

whodi · 10-12-2008, 04:25 AM

So if you use it in the rez it only benefits the roots?

Will it not help prevent bugs/mites unless used as a foliar spray?

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10-12-2008, 02:33 AM	#19
00420 full time daddy Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,148	sm-90 took out my gnat prob..... rootfingers maybe you just did not use enuff? it dose ont take out the ones flying but it sure as hell took out there breeding ground's and laid off the larva.... i would try again and double up the dose this time??? or maybe try multi dose's ..... dongle69 i call BS on who told you this as well... i will call monday too find out my self thx for letting me know it's back on the shelf here in cali i will get my hydrostore stcoked back on it.. i was bum'd when it was taken off and had to order it from outa state Use Nutrilife SM-90 to prevent or treat bacteria, fungus and insect problems. SM-90 is prepared from natural plant oils - the organic composition of SM-90 is biodegradable and non-toxic to humans, animals and plants! SM-90 is a good product to use from day one with your plants to keep them healthy and pest / disease free. Use as a foliar spray or root feed in both soil and hydroponics gardens. Root Disease: SM-90 inhibits common anaerobic fungal and bacterial pathogens. Use for any root disease from ascomycetes pathogens including fusarium, pythium, rhizoctonia, phytopthera and sclerotinia. When added in small quantities to plant nutrient solutions, root disease infestations are inhibited and new root growth emerges. Treated plants develop greater root area and root runs and exhibit a generally healthier root development. Application rate: Apply 2 - 3 ml for each gallon of nutrient solution on a weekly basis. Plant Infestations: Treat leaf or stem infestations by appying as a foliar spray. SM-90 eliminates many molds, mildew and leaf spot and is also effective for botrytis, blight, fusarium, leaf mold, rhizoctonia stem rot, sclerotinia stem rot and others. SM-90 also discourages and eliminates many common pests including aphids, thrips, spider mite, and whitefly. It is believed to act as a systemic to inhibit insect colonization and to deter reinfestation. Application rate: Mix 1 part SM-90 with 5 parts water. Spray directly on plant leaves and stems - be sure to spray entire plant as a prevention measure. Repeat every 3 days for up to 3 applications. Spray plants with water to prevent excess build during repeated applications. An added benefit of SM-90 is an increase in metabolism and growth rate when used on a regular basis. A great choice for growers looking for a safe product to use on their consumable crops. Be sure to spray diluted solution within 8 hours of mixing. Keep away from sunlight. NOTE: SM-90 will inhibit beneficial bacterial colonization. If you are trying to promote bacteria growth in your garden, this may not be a desirable additive. __________________ [00420]positive side [tokinsmokin] WOW how the hell do u know this [00420] [tokinsmokin]ur blowing my mind here dude this is some fuckin technical shit ur tellin me [00420] done?> [tokinsmokin]alright ur a genius [tokinsmokin]u kind of scare me here man, u answer pretty much every question i've had so far and not only answer it but answer it with the correct answer Last edited by 00420; 10-12-2008 at 02:36 AM..
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10-12-2008, 04:25 AM	#20
whodi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,508	So if you use it in the rez it only benefits the roots? Will it not help prevent bugs/mites unless used as a foliar spray? Last edited by whodi; 10-12-2008 at 04:50 AM..
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10-10-2008, 08:13 PM	#14
ksac Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 136	Yes they do. I'm glad that you shared that information though. Good stuff.
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10-11-2008, 09:20 PM	#18
rootfingers buried beneath the soil Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: another's fantasy Posts: 669	Having had a serious fungus gnat problem for the past couple grows I have looked into all sorts of ways to get rid of them. They are near impossible to eradicate it seems but can be kept under control if one tries hard. I have tried: gnatrol - still currently using, it takes three weeks supposedly but after two they don't seem to be very worried, a layer of perlite - because I am in coco and it is watered daily the surface is always wet, the perlite picks up on this moisture and creates a nice new breeding ground for fungus gnats, sticky yellow traps - the gnats are attracted to the yellow color and stick to the adhesive covering it (think yellow fly paper) these work to kill the flying adults and also give you a good idea of how big the problem is, and sm-90. It seems to me sm-90 doesn't really do much if you are looking to eradicate fungus gnats. I think the coriander oil is that nice smell you get and that is what disturbs the gnats temporarily. It does not kill fungus gnat larva though, and from what I have seen does little to interrupt the life cycle period. Just keeps them off the surface for a few days. <just what i figure from my experiences. Sm-90 does seem to keep the roots a little happier and I also believe the surficant properties help more evenly distribute water/nutrients through my coco. I have not tested this, again, just noticed what seems to be.
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