CANNABIS DNA PROJECT

Dkgrower · Mar 15, 2015

this information is hopefully going to be public so why worrie about big pharm, they are only interested if they can own information.

The wealth of information that you can derive from such a project is huge and i hope everybody is doing there thing to make this study as representative as possible.

Guys this is a chance to do some thing els that just be a bud producer.

Personaly i am very interesed in local strains gene pool to trace down there history would be pretty cool.

ozza · Mar 15, 2015

Is this different to the last project?

trichrider · Mar 15, 2015

ducks in rows.

Tonygreen · Mar 15, 2015

Seems like it would be worth an insane amount.

"As research progresses we will share data with you about any accessions you provide."

I dont see anywhere where it says the info will be made common knowledge.
You might get some "data" shared about your beans"...

Do you think they are spending all that money on testing for no reason?

Do you think they will do all this work and put it in public domain so other companies can profit?

Naaaah. Something don't add up about this and you dont have to be paranoid or delusional to think so while reading the carefully written post.

This thing is worth billions probably in the long run.

Seaf0ur · Mar 16, 2015

Big pharma? how about law enforcement? This is already being done, and it isn't to help any of us.

UNH Forensic Botanist Sets Up National Databank For Marijuana DNA
http://www.newhaven.edu/news-events/UNH-in-the-media/2011-12/195154/

A University of New Haven forensic scientist is setting up a national databank for marijuana DNA that will permit law enforcement to track where the drug originated when an arrest is made.

Matching DNA to plants grown on public lands in California, for example, could demonstrate that the crop was planted by people with ties to specific drug organizations . “If one person has a suitcase of marijuana and another person has bags of it, we will be able to tell if it came from the same batch.”

New Database Can Identify Marijuana Strains Through DNA
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/11/database_can_identify_marijuana_strains_through_dn.php

DNA analysis has almost unlimited potential in helping patients and breeders -- once it's used for that purpose, instead of to bust us.

But before you get too pumped about this exciting new service, I should point out that word "forensic" in botanist Heather Coyle's job description. That's right, this DNA analysis is meant to benefit cops and federal agents, not cannabis patients or breeders.

Coyle, 46, says that her genetic analysis can let law enforcement trace the marijuana from a single bud or seed back to its source, as long as they can get ahold of matching samples, reports Gregory B. Hladky at CT.com.

Australian Federal Police - Cannabis DNA database a boon to busts
http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/news/afp/2008/July/cannabis-dna-database-a-boon-to-busts

“DNA evidence never stands alone, but the database is another tool to be used in the legal process,” Dr Peakall said.

A comparison of DNA of plants in the database showed that some seizures shared DNA profiles, perhaps because they had been grown from cuttings – the main means of propagation in hydroponic operations – which produces clones.

Forensic Magazine - New marijuana DNA database declares grass warfare.
http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/06/grass-roots

A national marijuana DNA databank has been established by a university researcher that will give law enforcement the ability to track where the drug originated when arrests are made and contraband dope seized.

The DNA mapping system, developed at the University of New Haven, allows law enforcement for the first time not only to track where marijuana came from, but also to possibly link it to drug trafficking organizations in Mexico, growers in Canada, or domestic distribution gangs, perhaps to connect the dots and make a case for conspiracy.

Tracking Marijuana from Its DNA
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...tabase-University-of-New-Haven-130416218.html

“Such a databank and signature mark would be a welcome tool for police and law enforcement agencies,” said Frank Limon, New Haven chief of police. “It’s probable, in some cases, that conspirators of the overall operation may escape investigation and prosecution. The link between production and distribution would aid us in establishing conspiracy cases against the whole operation – not just the dealers and buyers. This would effectively connect the dots to street level narcotics distribution.”

DNA Technology for Drug Law Enforcement
http://cit.edu.au/partnerships/indu...ember/dna_technology_for_drug_law_enforcement

In order to formally validate his work so that it could be accepted by a court of law, Dr Gilmore led a larger project team, including forensic experts and plant biologists from the AFP and ANU, into two years of additional research to show the reproducibility, reliability and sensitivity of the methods. Development of the DNA database was necessary to understand the level of genetic variation in cannabis, and required cooperation from police services around the country to provide samples.

Dr Chris Howard, who was part of the team from ANU, analysed DNA profiles from more than 500 cannabis samples for the project, and said that "by following similar procedures used in the forensic analysis of human populations, our construction of the world's first DNA database of Cannabis sativa promises to enable prosecutors to trace links between criminal syndicates - a boon for prosecutors of drug-related crime".

Hrpuffnkush · Mar 16, 2015

Hortapharm B.V. will own the results ...........

MJPassion · Mar 18, 2015

It's a damn good thing that Blue Dream & a bunch of other clones are flating around then.

As long as the clone trend continues, they can't pin anything on any one particular individual or group.

If ya running Commercial grows... use clones from heavily traded/distributed cuts. That alone presents."Shadow of Doubt!"

CimeTempestose · Apr 17, 2015

I dont know Sam personally ... I JUST respect him for his history in the world of breeding .. So No offence for any body.. I am just asking .. :

are we opening the door to big industries with this sort of weed genoma project ?

I really would never buy or smoke any mc weed ...

Even if looking also in this whole forum.. I cant not notice a dangerous drift to a pure commercial marketing business ..

Landrace are going lost and we cant count more how many F are actually around ... Serious seed Bank are quite gone .. The most JUST re pack or sell in bulk ..

I really dont love big companies.. And I think would be horrible think to a new form of domain .. As happened with the industries of tobacco

Dropped Cat · Apr 18, 2015

So with this published data one could compare base line genetic
info to help streamline breeding goals?

Sure beats the old method. GMO cannabis?

whatever.

Keep us posted on the published results, and thanks again
for the leg work.

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 18, 2015

I have been very clear that the info will not be given or shared with LEO, Just like we will not help or make GMO, you know that and are just against any DNA work be honest....
-SamS

Seaf0ur said:
Big pharma? how about law enforcement? This is already being done, and it isn't to help any of us.

UNH Forensic Botanist Sets Up National Databank For Marijuana DNA
http://www.newhaven.edu/news-events/UNH-in-the-media/2011-12/195154/

New Database Can Identify Marijuana Strains Through DNA
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/11/database_can_identify_marijuana_strains_through_dn.php

Australian Federal Police - Cannabis DNA database a boon to busts
http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/news/afp/2008/July/cannabis-dna-database-a-boon-to-busts

Forensic Magazine - New marijuana DNA database declares grass warfare.
http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2013/06/grass-roots

Tracking Marijuana from Its DNA
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...tabase-University-of-New-Haven-130416218.html

DNA Technology for Drug Law Enforcement
http://cit.edu.au/partnerships/indu...ember/dna_technology_for_drug_law_enforcement

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 18, 2015

Hrpuffnkush said:
Hortapharm B.V. will own the results ...........

Not even involved....
-SamS

trichrider · Apr 18, 2015

trichrider said:
please satisfy my curiosity.

I believe each seed is a unique individual with genes from each parent participant.

much like individuals of our race. similar yet different, capable of passing phenotypical expression altered or not (hence some mutation).

am I way off or are our plants unique after genetic expression?

good luck with your study and findings.

rider

could you at least address my query?

thanks...

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 18, 2015

trichrider said:
could you at least address my query?

thanks...

What was the query?
-SamS

Hrpuffnkush · Apr 21, 2015

How about people submitting there own DNA tests for strains instead of the plant material its self.......

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 21, 2015

Hrpuffnkush said:
How about people submitting there own DNA tests for strains instead of the plant material its self.......

What DNA tests do you mean? We want the DNA not a test. I am mixed up to what you mean. We can't grow the DNA, we will extract and sequence it. No growing required to sequence DNA, unless you want to sequence DNA from a leaf, which is easier. But more problems with legal transport, seeds are easy and legal to transport dead, leaves are not legal but better DNA. I prefer seeds but will take a leaf, if that is what I can get. I kill the seeds before I send them I do not want to have to grow all I have collected, that would be way to much work.
-SamS

Hrpuffnkush · Apr 22, 2015

I ment have the sequence done , and send the results in for your collection ,
How long might it take for the results of your project if we submit seeds ?

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 23, 2015

Hrpuffnkush said:
I ment have the sequence done , and send the results in for your collection ,
How long might it take for the results of your project if we submit seeds ?

No idea, we should start to get data very soon, it could take several years before all done and the data makes real sense.
I don't think you can have the sequence "done" we are looking for analysis of thousands of other accessions using an SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) NGS protocol called GBS (Genotyping By Sequencing) allowing high-resolution characterization of each accession.
We have 20,000 SNP's and will soon have 50,000 SNP's that we sequence for, any sequence we want to use need to have the same SNP's looked at, if different then the results are not useful for us? Understand?
-SanS

trichrider · Apr 23, 2015

Sam_Skunkman said:
What was the query?
-SamS

Originally Posted by trichrider

please satisfy my curiosity.

I believe each seed is a unique individual with genes from each parent participant.

much like individuals of our race. similar yet different, capable of passing phenotypical expression altered or not (hence some mutation).

am I way off or are our plants unique after genetic expression?

good luck with your study and findings.

rider

xMetatronx · Apr 23, 2015

I will be heading to Jamaica soon, I will ask a few people for the Landrace you require, maybe I can drop them off the next time I am in Amsterdam?

M

Sam_Skunkman · Apr 23, 2015

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trichrider said:
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please satisfy my curiosity.

I believe each seed is a unique individual with genes from each parent participant.

much like individuals of our race. similar yet different, capable of passing phenotypical expression altered or not (hence some mutation).

I am not so sure of this as phenotypical expression is both genes and environment, environment is not passed on. Some believe plants can pass more then we can prove, I say wait till we can.

am I way off or are our plants unique after genetic expression?

By unique to you mean the DNA has been altered by expression?
-SamS

good luck with your study and findings.

I am sure we will find many interesting new things about Cannabis and how and why it is what it is.

rider

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