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onavelzy vs. Aspen - rootin tootin christmas 2017!!!
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oh thank god...
now we may proceed!!!
Yes this is true.
ONA..... where ya at
Wow, three pages already. I am such a fricking slacker. I apologize.
Here is my day one pic. I took the cuts the evening of 11/27:
It got pretty cool here recently and the new cuts did not like my evening temps. Here's how the looked the next morning:
pretty unhappy I'd say. I had them on a heating pad with a thermostat in the dome that was set to keep the temps at 80. I also kept the door to the nearby main tent open so the heat from the 12/12 lighting (I go on in the evening) would help keep them warmer. My wife is reluctant to heat the house unless it gets really cold here, which is about two weeks out of the year so this may be a tough rooting session for me.
Today is day 10. Only one cube was showing any roots but I put them all in cups anyway and upped the light. YOLO
they are the six cups on the right in this photo:
I might put the heating pad back down once I get rid of the other clones they are sitting next to.
I have two different container types I'm trying. One is clear 12oz solo cups that I burned three rows of drain holes into. These cups sit inside larger blue solo cups to prevent light from affecting the roots.
The other cup style is a black cup that has multliple openings around the lower half.
The goal there is to see if I can get an air pruning effect on the roots. I keep them inside a blue solo cup as well.
Ok, that brings me up to date.
Not much growth happening yet unfortunately but that's life. I should be at 30 days on 12/25. I'll try to be better at posting updates when and if rootage occurs
Those are some pretty roots Ona I'll say it....
The cominisher has spoken
Lets follow the rules here. You need to refer to him as the almighty high commissioner. It is about growing weed roots right.
Well, embarrassed to say, I'm not real sure. They are a set of back ups to my plants currently in flower. Their label says 10/31 and the pic was taken on 11/27. I'm not sure if the 10/31 is the date I made the original cut and put them in rock wool cubes under the dome or whether its the date I up cupped them. I'm pretty sure the 10/31 is the original cut date but I wasn't being very diligent and... you know. They just don't look like they've been in cups for a month. especially given how much bigger they are now 10 days after the pic was taken on 11/27
Well I think my bottle of mb ferts has gone to shit... So I'm looking for a new solution to use in the cloner... What's working these days for the cloner
I gently scrape the lower inch or two of the stem then dip in clonex before putting the stems in the rock wool cubes
Aspenou812 said:
My cloning has gone to shit lately too and I’m blaming it on my cloning gel being bad as well. In my search for the latest and greatest I came across Elite 91 Nutrients. I picked up their whole lineup as a bday present but won’t be using it for a while still so no first hand experience with it yet, just throwing it out there. Their IG feed looks pretty convincing though.
Onavelzy said:
Thanks Ona, I use the same method except I was using Roots Organic rooting gel. When it was fresh it seemed to work well but now that it is a year old I haven’t been able to root anything with it.
I recently switched to using Rockwool for the grow I’m on now. Do you keep the cubes you put your cuts in pretty wet or do you let them dry down a little? About how many times do you water the cube before you see roots?
I try to keep the cubes moist but not sopping wet. I check under the dome every three to four days, sooner if the color of the cubes suggests they are getting drier.
I use a heating pad with a thermostat probe to try and keep them near 80 degrees. The cord for the thermostat can sometimes create gasp where the dome fits on the tray. That can allow moisture out of the tray which can speed drying of the cubes.
If they do seem drier, I dunk them in a dilute nute solution and then replace them under the dome. I don't usually leave standing water in the tray as a way of keeping them moist though.
So far, I have been seeing roots somewhere between 7-10 days. I know some strains vary but that's what I have seen so far
My cloning is going to shit too. I lost 3 of the last 200 clones. I may just have to kill some soon to keep my numbers right.
oh boo hoo ichy,
although, im still at 100% on the last 100 ive taken... cloner is only 6 months old.
i actually took some cuttings the same time these guys did, just to see how my dirt cups keep the pace. got some chem sis, sour dubb and my chemsour x sscdh male in the cloner.
i just put a capful of clonex liquid in there when i fire it up, keep it topped off with fresh water. when they are rooted they go into solo cups with a slightly lighter version of my scrumpdilly mix.
so contestants, can we get some detailed info on your methods? as much info as possible please
although, im still at 100% on the last 100 ive taken... cloner is only 6 months old.
i actually took some cuttings the same time these guys did, just to see how my dirt cups keep the pace. got some chem sis, sour dubb and my chemsour x sscdh male in the cloner.
i just put a capful of clonex liquid in there when i fire it up, keep it topped off with fresh water. when they are rooted they go into solo cups with a slightly lighter version of my scrumpdilly mix.
so contestants, can we get some detailed info on your methods? as much info as possible please
Well, I do best when I buy rooted clones. No, that's not true at all. I've lost four clones (that I can recall) and one was a teen I bought for my first grow last Feb. It never developed any roots. I lost two clones that were shipped to me. They damped off within a day or so of me putting them in cubes. There was one other clone that I lost through clumsiness. So I guess I'm due for some failure.
I'll copy below the blurb I put on Aspen's thread that has most of the details of what I do, but it's basically following the recommendations in DJM's Coco Trees thread.
Here's one of his root photos that convinced me it was worth trying to emulate him. Scroll through page 2 and 3 of his thread for more pics. Hell, you really should read all of his posts in that thread tbh.
Ok, here's my copied note from Aspen's thread:
I read DJM's thread before I grew anything. His cloning approach seemed to work for him so I have used it with some modifications. His clone root porn is second to none.
I'm gonna copy how he does it from his thread and then enter my differences in red bold:
""- big cuts, over 6 inches long from healthy moms (when you can)
- tips cut back 30%, 50% on large fans
- soak cuts in phd tap water over night to assure they are well hydrated
- soak 2 inch rockwool plugs in 350ppms worth of base nutes and a ph of 5.7 for 30 minutes
- flush sheets with a fresh solution of the same strength and ph (not sure what he meant by this, flush the trays the cubes will sit on?)
- shake about 20-30% of water out of plugs, do not squeeze them, but swing them like pitching a baseball (Uh, use judgement on where you do this)
- dip in clonex and put in plug, not using the premade hole, but right off to the side of it (premade holes alow to much oxygen in) (I use the edge of a scissor to scuff up the sides at the bottom inch to inch and a half of each cut before dipping in the Clonex. And I get as much of the stem covered as I can. I use the little pouches of Clonex instead of the jars that hold more)
- put 10 cuts per dome, never more, overcrowding is a nono with clones and will lead to rot, long root times and inconsistent temps and rh) I take big cuts, if you take small ones you can fit more, but you don't want them touching leaves. (I put more than ten usually. I only have so much space. It seems to not make a difference in my environment when I've compared ten or less vs larger numbers)
- put them under t5, kept 3 feet away, too much light slows rooting and stresses plants, they want defused lighting as they cant absorb bright light without roots (I use screw-in LED bulbs in a power strip but I turn off every other one)
- keep temps IN the dome between 78-80...I use a temp gun to dial in the temps for the first day or two..the proximity to the light, the strength of light, heat in the room all play a factor in the temp in the dome, so one needs to dial that in until it sits at 80..in cold places get a heat mat with digital thermostat, put the sensor for the thermostat in an empty plug in the dome and set the mat to 76, that usually puts it around 80 in the dome..but again , many variable effect that. (I'm sold on warming mats. I think using them is why I've had so few die)
- I spray the inside of the dome only, never the plants, and keep the dome beaded until day 6 or 7 when I see roots...at that time I open vents slowly over the course of 3 days and by day 10 and are ready to transplant.
- I never water plugs after the initial soak, you want them moist but not wet or dry. (never watering them again did NOT work for me. I almost lost an entire tray because the dome was misty as heck but unbeknownst to me, the cubes were drying out. Now I check them every two to three days and if they are getting dry, I dunk the cube in a solution of V+B foliar spray or a dilute nute solution, say 0.3 to 0.5 EC)
that's about it...the moisture level in the plug, presoak overnight, nutes in the soak water and keeping temps around 80 are the 4 crucial elements...dial those 4 in and you will never have issues with cloning again
hope that helps""" End of DJM's note
I have had very good success with the rock wool cubes using this approach. I did a side by side comparo with cubes vs rooters. They both worked 100% but, in my hands, the cubes rooted better.
I clone the shit out of everything because its the one thing I can do. My kids are getting sick of me asking if they know anyone who wants some free clones
It is a good read....
