Diesel Ryder SOG in a 150w HPS Mini Fridge

Hey KolorBlind nice grow so far.
What are the dimensions of your fridge?

I have almost identical fridge with 150W HPS, and i can't decide between SOG and SCROG.

I would realy like to do perpetual SOG, but that "hump" is taking space for 3 - 4 plants.
Only way around this can be, as you said LST the plants that are on the "hump", or, this just crossed my mind, use The Hump as starting spot for the clones entering the perpetual cycle.
As soon as they grow big enough (2 weeks) , you harvest 3-4 plants, and transfer them lower, and new clones take there place.

On the other hand, SCROG can take advantage of full footprint of the, already limited space we have to work with,
but is more of a hassle to work with all the branches, making shure the canopy is even etc.

What would you do, SoG or SCROG?

sackoweed said:

Nice lil setup there.. And outta the beans that popped it looks like you have one that is already tryin to be a big gurl looks like it popped and has the lil green showing.. Great work brother.. peace.

sack

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Thanks man, yeah she was definitely eager to start growing thats for sure!!!

idontsmoke said:

Hey KolorBlind nice grow so far.
What are the dimensions of your fridge?

I have almost identical fridge with 150W HPS, and i can't decide between SOG and SCROG.

I would realy like to do perpetual SOG, but that "hump" is taking space for 3 - 4 plants.
Only way around this can be, as you said LST the plants that are on the "hump", or, this just crossed my mind, use The Hump as starting spot for the clones entering the perpetual cycle.
As soon as they grow big enough (2 weeks) , you harvest 3-4 plants, and transfer them lower, and new clones take there place.

On the other hand, SCROG can take advantage of full footprint of the, already limited space we have to work with,
but is more of a hassle to work with all the branches, making shure the canopy is even etc.

What would you do, SoG or SCROG?

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you pretty much hit the nail on the head with every idea I bounced around before doing this. I have come to the conclusion that this mini fridge idea cannot be executed to its fullest potential until I cut the hump out and replace it with some sheet metal, making a cab with even dimensions.

The only reason I am doing SOG is because I am using autoflowering plants. If I was using clones and had the hump, I would go with the perpetual idea and start them on the hump. I think that would give you the best results as far as a constant supply. Now if you wanna keep the hump, or even if you dont, SCROG would for sure be the way to go for yield. 2 plants scrogged under that 150 would fill a screen so fast it would be NUTS! But yeah messing with the screen, watering, trimming, etc. may be more work than its worth till you get it dialed in real well.

As far as the fridge dimensions, after removing the foam they are: 18.5" Wide, 16.5" Deep and 32" tall. The hump is about 6" tall so in the back the height is only 26"

I would love to see some pics of your setup if you have any. If you dont wanna post em no biggie, I just love cab porn!! Especially when its similar to my own cab! I think a mini fridge is just damn PERFECT! With an $80 exhaust fan (best investment I ever made) the temps are a cool 79F on average, and it blends in very well with its surroundings! Not to mention it just sounds like a little fridge running, nothing conspicuous at all unless you turn the lights off in the room the fridge is in. You can see a little light coming out of a few cracks, but with the lights in the room on you cant see any light coming out of the fridge.

Let me know what you decide, Im excited to modify my fridge sometime, but if this SOG works out ok, I may stick with it for a while.

Peace
KB

Im subscribed..... this is exactly what i wanna do with my fridge. Im following u

KolorBlind said:

you pretty much hit the nail on the head with every idea I bounced around before doing this. I have come to the conclusion that this mini fridge idea cannot be executed to its fullest potential until I cut the hump out and replace it with some sheet metal, making a cab with even dimensions.

The only reason I am doing SOG is because I am using autoflowering plants. If I was using clones and had the hump, I would go with the perpetual idea and start them on the hump. I think that would give you the best results as far as a constant supply. Now if you wanna keep the hump, or even if you dont, SCROG would for sure be the way to go for yield. 2 plants scrogged under that 150 would fill a screen so fast it would be NUTS! But yeah messing with the screen, watering, trimming, etc. may be more work than its worth till you get it dialed in real well.

As far as the fridge dimensions, after removing the foam they are: 18.5" Wide, 16.5" Deep and 32" tall. The hump is about 6" tall so in the back the height is only 26"

I would love to see some pics of your setup if you have any. If you dont wanna post em no biggie, I just love cab porn!! Especially when its similar to my own cab! I think a mini fridge is just damn PERFECT! With an $80 exhaust fan (best investment I ever made) the temps are a cool 79F on average, and it blends in very well with its surroundings! Not to mention it just sounds like a little fridge running, nothing conspicuous at all unless you turn the lights off in the room the fridge is in. You can see a little light coming out of a few cracks, but with the lights in the room on you cant see any light coming out of the fridge.

Let me know what you decide, Im excited to modify my fridge sometime, but if this SOG works out ok, I may stick with it for a while.

Peace
KB

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Hey KolorBlind i started a thread in Grow Diaries also. You can check it out 150W HPS Mini Fridge SOG or ScrOG -WW, Satori, Bagseed-

hey KolorBlind nice minifridge i just started working on my minifridge and im stripping all of the insulation out. its with out a doubt a lot of work. how did you remove it from your cab? and i was wondering why you went with the 150w HPS instead of a cfl setup? just wondering im thinking of a 200w cfl and seen yours and idontsmokes thread with the 150w. i also have the same minifridge you have and that will probably be my next project. i may go with the 150w. il be following both of the threads.

Black Sheep said:

hey KolorBlind nice minifridge i just started working on my minifridge and im stripping all of the insulation out. its with out a doubt a lot of work. how did you remove it from your cab? and i was wondering why you went with the 150w HPS instead of a cfl setup? just wondering im thinking of a 200w cfl and seen yours and idontsmokes thread with the 150w. i also have the same minifridge you have and that will probably be my next project. i may go with the 150w. il be following both of the threads.

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Heya Black Sheep. Im glad to hear you decided to tear into the fridge, you get so much more space and it keeps it from turning into an oven! I used a combination of a regular & wide paint scraper, and an old metal spatula I had. The wide paint scraper worked the best for the large spots, just wedge it all the way to the metal and get it up under the foam, A huge chunk will come up. I had to leave some foam around the edges because it was poured or blown into a waffle style piece of plastic framework.

As far as the 150w HPS vs. 200w CFL, there are many reasons to choose the HPS. First off, the HPS puts out 16,000 lumens to the CFLs 10,000. Not to mention the CFL only puts that many lumens out at a max of 4" then it gets less and less, whereas the HPS will penetrate up to 12" with 16,000 glorious lumens CFLs work great and all, but a 200wCFL will burn just as hot if not hotter than a 150W remote ballasted HPS, and you will get less of a yield. My 150w HPS + Ballast + Socket cost me less than $60 after shipping, and the 200w CFL on the same site is $74 before shipping, plus you have to get a socket for it. Wiring it up is super easy, or if you have the money to spend just get a 150w kit with remote ballast from htgsupply.com. Also, the CFL light will lose more lumens over time than the HPS, so a 3yr old CFL will be putting out a much lower percentage of its original lumens than a 3yr old HPS. And the HPS bulbs are usually around 2000K whereas the CFLs are typically 2700K. Either will do but the lower K rating is a deeper orange spectrum perfect for flowering, which again helps with the overall yield. Now a 150wHPS AND a 200W 5500-6500K CFL, that would be wonderful, but VERY hot ina a little space such as a mini fridge. If you get and pics or a thread started feel free to post it here, Im anxious to see!

Good Luck
KB

hey thanx for the info. kind of got me rethinking the 200w cfl. iv already got a thread started on the mini fridge with the seperate freezer on the growers forum. how would i post it here? forgive me im totally new at this. the insulation on my unit has to be removed from the rear makeing it a complete pain. iv been useing a hacksaw blade so far but since im not useing the inner sheel im contemplateing the sawzall to speed up the process

Black Sheep said:

hey thanx for the info. kind of got me rethinking the 200w cfl. iv already got a thread started on the mini fridge with the seperate freezer on the growers forum. how would i post it here? forgive me im totally new at this. the insulation on my unit has to be removed from the rear makeing it a complete pain. iv been useing a hacksaw blade so far but since im not useing the inner sheel im contemplateing the sawzall to speed up the process

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Oh wow yeah yours sounds a bit more gnarly than mine. All mine was scrapped from the inside, we actually tried burning it out at one point, and let me just say...DONT do that! haha, its flame retardant so it just smokes and smokes and smokes. Probably not good to be breathing that shit in

To post a link to your thread here, go to your thread and copy the web address up in the address bar. Then just start a new reply here, click the "Insert Link" button (looks like a little globe) and paste the link. That's all there is to it. You can also do the same thing in your signature by going to "My IC" and clicking the "Edit Signature" link on the left. That way there's a link to your grow in each post you make Its a good way to shamelessly promote yourself haha!!

Peace
KB

awsum thank you so much for the help heres the link
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=133178

check it out see what you think and feel free to give any advice or opinions. like i said im completely new to all of this and could use all the help i can get

man i couldnt sleep because iv got this build on my mind. i was also thinking of your cab and the problem you were haveing at the begining with the paint sticking. idk if youll have the time or if youll even want to fool with it but im thinking the reason the paint wont stick is due to the galvanized coating. to get the paint to stick youll have to take a grinder and grind the coating off or have it sand blasted. i know it sounds like a pain in the ass but you definitely wont have any more troubles with the paint.

hey KolorBlind got a quick question for you. what is the diameter of the 150 HPS bulb? you have just about convinced me to go with it but im thinking of trying a cool tube with a 3" diameter tube and hose.

Black Sheep said:

man i couldnt sleep because iv got this build on my mind. i was also thinking of your cab and the problem you were haveing at the begining with the paint sticking. idk if youll have the time or if youll even want to fool with it but im thinking the reason the paint wont stick is due to the galvanized coating. to get the paint to stick youll have to take a grinder and grind the coating off or have it sand blasted. i know it sounds like a pain in the ass but you definitely wont have any more troubles with the paint.

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Yeah I had originally planned to sand down the inside real well and repaint it, but it worked so well the first round I just said screw it. One of these days the hump will get cut out, and a friend of mine will sandblast the inside for me, then I will go buy some better paint and go to it!

Black Sheep said:

hey KolorBlind got a quick question for you. what is the diameter of the 150 HPS bulb? you have just about convinced me to go with it but im thinking of trying a cool tube with a 3" diameter tube and hose.

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The diameter of the one I bought is 2.94" and the length is 7.75". Here is the link to the site I bought it from. Its the last bulb on that page, the Sylvania 67516. There are some that are like 2.1" diameter but they are ones that require a medium base. I cant remember why exactly but I was told by many people to only use the mogul base HPS bulbs.

Check out eBay or even craigslist for a pyrex bake-a-round tube. Ive seen a lot of people use that for this size of bulb and say it works great. Personally, with a computer fan blowing on mine and good exhaust, my temps rarely get over 79F. The highest Ive seen them is when I left the door to the room the mini fridge is in shut all day by accident and it got up to 84F, but usually its at like 80F right before lights out. Ive hear that glass reduces the amount of light that hits the plants, but hey if thats what it takes to keep it cool you will still get better results than with a CFL.

Just make sure you are mindful about the intensity difference. It is safe to have a CFL 2 inches from seedlings, but an HPS should be about 10-12" from them, and no less than 4-6" from mature plants.

KB

OK so after a few more days most plants have shown their true colors. I threw away 5 males total, I am 100% sure about 7 females, the one I thought was a hermie was indeed a hermie. It had balls like crazy up top, looked like a healthy male, but had white hairs sprouting all over the lower nodes. I went ahead and took a short bike ride and planted it near a ditch a few miles away. I went back the next day to add some good soil(cuz I forgot some when I planted it) and the size had almost doubled!! Hopefully it will continue to grow and I will get some more seeds I may be able to take pics soon but it will be hard, the only time I go out there is at night. There are 2 more in the fridge that still haven't shown sex, one should show any day and the other I will probably end up killing. It has been the same size for over a week and the stem is brown and hard. The leaves are green other than the 2 lower ones, but Im sick of waiting.

As soon as my last 1 or 2 show sex, all the females will be going into 2 liter soda bottles cut above the label. I haven't decided how I should go about making the bottom part of the bottles light proof, or if I should, any suggestions?

Two of my females are really starting to shoot up, so I want to get them closer to the HPS as soon as possible. In fact, I may just transplant all but the small crappy looking one into soda bottles tonight and if one ends up being a male Ill just toss it. Last grow I left a DR about 10" from the bulb for too long and it stretched BIG time!

Ill have pic updates Thursday, should be a nice significant change! Keep the comments and questions coming, I'm all ears. Oh and I have a DR that will be harvested in 10 days or less as well, very excited to have some more of that stanky bud to smoke!!

Peace
KB

Hey man, congrats on all the ladies! I dont know if you've already transplanted but you should def try the raised planting method considering there is such small root space in a 2 liter. Theres a thread in the AF forum, check it out.

But mostly I can't wait for the pictures in about 3 weeks, should be the most full of buds your fridge has been right? Keep it up man, things look great!


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jus'plain'gill said:

Hey man, congrats on all the ladies! I dont know if you've already transplanted but you should def try the raised planting method considering there is such small root space in a 2 liter. Theres a thread in the AF forum, check it out.

But mostly I can't wait for the pictures in about 3 weeks, should be the most full of buds your fridge has been right? Keep it up man, things look great!


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Hey JPG, thanks for stoppin by man!

Yeah I have already transplanted, I was graced with 8 beautiful ladies out of the original 20 seeds planted. I cut some 2 liter bottles just above the label and transplanted to those. I thought about just cutting the bottom of the 16oz cups off an setting them on top of a 2 liter full of soil, but Im already concerned about height limitations as is, so I think for now Ill just use the 2 liters. If it ends up that I had more room to work with come harvest time, maybe next time Ill do that.

Yeah in about 3 weeks that fridge will be PACKED full of bud! Im very excited. Im thinking what I'll have to do is put 2 of them back on the "hump" and LST the crap out of them to keep them off the bulb. Id say 8 plants will for sure put my carbon scrubber to the test! Honestly, as much as I love this strain, I think the risk factor involved due to the potent smell is almost not worth the gain. If it was legal, there would be no problem, I personally enjoy the smell. But I was unable to have company over during flowering last time due to the smell. I need to try and find a better strain for indoor growing, or invest some money in a professional scrubber.



So here is the break down of the original 20 seeds I planted:

-8 Lovely Ladies
-5 Bushy Males (RIP)
-1 Hermaphrodite (Growing outdoors now)
-5 KIA (4 never grew real leaves, 1 had moldy soil & died)
-1 Unknown (has been the same size for over a week, will probably kill it tonight)


So overall Im very pleased with the results! I hoping to pull a minimum of 4oz at this point, I would need to pull about 5.35 Oz to get a gram per watt, which may be doable. The tallest lady is about 6" from the bulb, with the shortest about 9" from the bulb. I will probably just let them all grow up until the tallest is 3-4" from the bulb, then Ill start lowering the shelf. I dont care about branching, I will do no pruning of any kind, only mild LST on the 2 I place on the "hump".

I will take pictures of the cab when I get home tonight and post them, the growth between last week and now is pretty amazing. Oh and I checked on my little hermie that I planted outdoors last night, it is easily 8" tall, which is twice as tall as some of its sisters. Still no pictures of it yet, sorry.

Peace
KB

...and the sea begins to fill

...and the sea begins to fill

DAY 21

Plant Stage: Flower
Light Cycle: 20/4
Light: 150w 2000k HPS
Current Medium: Sunshine Mix w/ 1 Cup of Bone Meal
Current Nutrients: Schultz Plant Food (10-15-10) two droppers full per Gallon & Molasses 1Tbls per Gallon Every Other Watering
Strain: Diesel Ryder Autoflower


OK, day 21 has arrived and needless to say I am quite pleased with having 8 females. In fact, it may prove to be a small burden keeping a couple of them out of the lights, but its a good burden to have. After the last plant showed sex, I got to work transplanting them into 2 liter soda bottles. I mixed 1 cup of bone meal into about 4 gallons of Sunshine Mix for the medium. I cut them just above the label and used a screwdriver to punch holes in the bottom of each bottle for drainage. As mentioned before, I debated cutting the bottoms of the cups off, and pretty much sitting them on top of a 2L bottle full of soil to maximize rootspace and minimize transplant stress. In the end I was worried about height restrictions so I am just using the 2L bottles for this run.

The growth is pretty amazing on a few of them. The larger ones were some of the first to sprout, and the smallest ones are a couple days behind at least. I will need to start lifting up half of them to even the canopy, but it will be worth it in the end I think. Here they are trying their best to fill my little mini fridge at 3 weeks old.

For fun, here are some shots of another Diesel Ryder I am just about to harvest. It was started under a 150w HPS for 35 days, then I had to kick it out into the garage fridge, and it sits right under a football sized 68w CFL. Here she is at exactly 8 weeks from seed. Just about 50% amber trichs and killing off fan leaves like it's goin out of style!

I also have an Apollo11/Green Giant cross growing right next to the DR under a 175w MH, 70w HPS, and surrounded by 4 68w CFLs. She is just over 11 weeks old and day 39 flowering.

Bud shot here. The fan leaves are even getting a little frosty on this girl. The smell is very subtle but sweet. Almost like a light lemon. Im very excited to harvest her, Im thinking she will be done around the first or 2nd week of Sept.

So that's what I have going on right now. Temps have been great in the mini fridge, about 81F is still max and that's usually right before lights off. Once I even the canopy out I will try to keep the bulb about 4" form the tops of the plants or as close to that as I can come without burning. Well, another week down and only 5ish to go

Peace
KB

Man, those DR's are looking lush! Looks like you might have a little bit of a staggered harvest with the three in the back coming along the quickest. Ever think about finding a male that is showing trich coverage and then hitting a very large and frosty gal with his pollen?

That A11 cross is looking very tasty. I love all the trichs on the fan leaves, just beautiful. How is the smell on her? I hear that A11 has a lower odor than average. Is that true with this cross? I really need to grow low odor when I start back up and I am trying to get an idea of genuinely low stink strains.


Once again, good growing!


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nice thread kolor nice looking buds man
and just'plain'gill i would highly recommend some northern lights i just finished a harvest a few months ago and its gotta be one of the lowest stinky plants ive seen but the high is great very uplifting its also got a great yield its one big bushy plant

ive read that northern lights was originally produced as a indoor low odor producing strain

coming along great KolorBlind

jus'plain'gill said:

Man, those DR's are looking lush! Looks like you might have a little bit of a staggered harvest with the three in the back coming along the quickest. Ever think about finding a male that is showing trich coverage and then hitting a very large and frosty gal with his pollen?

That A11 cross is looking very tasty. I love all the trichs on the fan leaves, just beautiful. How is the smell on her? I hear that A11 has a lower odor than average. Is that true with this cross? I really need to grow low odor when I start back up and I am trying to get an idea of genuinely low stink strains.


Once again, good growing!


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Thanks man! Im not exactly sure what you mean with the male & trich coverage. Do males produce trichomes?!?! I would like to pollinate another female soon with a nice strong male, but probably not for another grow or two. Id like to pick the healthiest male & female from a good amount of both and to it that way.

As far as the A11 goes, I think it is very low odor. I am thinking about starting some of them 12/12 from seed and seeing how that goes. Id like to keep them small, or even better find an AF Apollo11 hehe! You have to pretty much pinch a bud & smell your fingers to even smell her! Light lemon/skung fragrance.

Shred42O said:

nice thread kolor nice looking buds man
and just'plain'gill i would highly recommend some northern lights i just finished a harvest a few months ago and its gotta be one of the lowest stinky plants ive seen but the high is great very uplifting its also got a great yield its one big bushy plant

ive read that northern lights was originally produced as a indoor low odor producing strain

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Thanks for the kind words man! I am very interested in N. Lights, would love to grow some eventually. Have you had any experience growing them 12/12 from seed? I cant seem to find any autoflowering N. Lights seeds, any idea if they exist?

shroomyshroom said:

coming along great KolorBlind

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Thanks much shroomy!! Its getting very exciting!






On a side note, I cut a bunch of 4" square, 1" thick pieces of Styrofoam to stack the bottles up. The canopy is completely even now and coming along GREAT!! I am seeing side branches making their way to the top on every single plant. I know SOG is usually all about one main cola, but I dont plan on doing any trimming so Ill let the side branches grow out as much as they can. I could maybe crank the exhaust fan up later and add a CFL underneath the canopy if I wanted. Maybe just the 150w though for now so I know how to judge the difference next time. So many options...maybe another mini fridge? haha!!


Peace
KB