Older wiser and going organic!!!

QQNPK · Jun 6, 2019

dank.frank said:
In my new soil mix, there is only 1/8c + 1tbsp blood and feather meal. Both are super high N but have different break down rates. They are there for quick increase in nitrogen over the first 3 weeks or so. After that, things present in higher quantities, that take a bit longer to become available, start contributing their roles.

I made this chart, for this exact purpose, to show people, exactly what portion of the total NPK profile is coming from what amendment.

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Notice, I get a LARGE portion of the nitrogen from organic chicken manure, called Symphony. Great product to use that is slower release based on it's formulation (pelleted).

That's another thing to address. When I use azomite - I'll use 1/4 micronized and 3/4 granular, or whatever the case may be, depending on the situation and what I think the need is - immediate or just continual soil building to avoid depletion. When I re-amended, I only used granular.

The bone meal I use is "pelleted" as well. Some are super fine powders. The crab shell is rough ground shell chunks and meal/flour like in the same bag.

All these things play a part in the ecosystem and how things interact and function with each other. The low volume usage of quick release, highly concentrated nutrients, paired with other ingredients that will eventually in time begin to supplement the need - allows me to plant immediately after mixing a soil without too much protest from the plants. I still get some light tip burn from time to time but they grow fine after a couple days adjustment.

That goes back to that diversity thing I've talked about for years. It really is about creating a structured soil that will perform how we need it to. It's not a bunch of stuff on a list to make it seem fancy and better than the next guys. It's just the only way I've managed to get the "water only" system to ACTUALLY work...diversity of inputs.

dank.Frank

Thanks for the knowledge frank ! Im also doing organic and iv killed over 30 seeds because of faulty soil mixes, it can be really hard to grow organic but once you have it all dialed in its easy(?!) (which i still dont lol but its getting way better, been there done that trying to make a "fancy" mix that end up cooking them lol
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Zeez · Jun 7, 2019

Great thread and info. Thanks for sharing.

Are there different NPK numbers preferable for veg and bloom?

Any recommends for water soluble amendments the can be used in teas?

Thanks Z

Prodigygrower · Jun 13, 2019

Hi guys so life a bitch and moves a million miles an hour! Sorry for my lack of updates. Tbh I’m not happy. I’m not as hands on as I’d like to be and entrusting a first time grower to be as diligent as you would be is shitty.

So update these girls have not had a stress free life. From the shitty water in the beginning to the inconsistent watering on my partners part. What can you do he is learning and I’m doing the best I can.

I think This is why I’ve had not the best female to male ratio on this round of seeds. Out of 15 fotia I have 5 confirmed females which 3 of them I think are gonna be something nice. 1 out of 6 Tropicana cookie haze. 1 out of 3 on the 91 yetis. The chem4 blue berry and the Iraqi wedding I still can’t tell but I still have my fingers crossed. Either way I think there is some real dank to be found.
I also think I’m having a mag deficiency but that could be from the lack of watering. I’m not 100 percent sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The first pic is the trophaze second 91 yeti the rest are fotia females

Prodigygrower · Jun 13, 2019

Here is the rest of the fotia girls.

jaded1 · Jun 14, 2019

Yeah,that looks a mag def PG.Epsom salts will fix that

GOT_BUD? · Jun 14, 2019

Prodigygrower said:
Hi guys so life a bitch and moves a million miles an hour! Sorry for my lack of updates. Tbh I’m not happy. I’m not as hands on as I’d like to be and entrusting a first time grower to be as diligent as you would be is shitty.

So update these girls have not had a stress free life. From the shitty water in the beginning to the inconsistent watering on my partners part. What can you do he is learning and I’m doing the best I can.

I think This is why I’ve had not the best female to male ratio on this round of seeds. Out of 15 fotia I have 5 confirmed females which 3 of them I think are gonna be something nice. 1 out of 6 Tropicana cookie haze. 1 out of 3 on the 91 yetis. The chem4 blue berry and the Iraqi wedding I still can’t tell but I still have my fingers crossed. Either way I think there is some real dank to be found.
I also think I’m having a mag deficiency but that could be from the lack of watering. I’m not 100 percent sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The first pic is the trophaze second 91 yeti the rest are fotia females

If you're working with someone new to growing, I find setting up reminders on their phones helps a ton. I still set reminders for myself until it becomes a habit.

Prodigygrower · Jun 14, 2019

@jadded1 that’s what I was thinking. Grab some this weekend.

@GOT_BUD?
I deff need to do something I just don’t want to sound like a nag. I know my guy is getting the bug. I get a call from my guy the other day. So I show up to check on things. Now my guy is a alpha male in a nut shell. So I show up and my guy is almost in tears because he let them dry out and they got all wilted. He freaked out lol. I was like calm down they will bounce back. He was so messed up about it was heart warming and hilarious at the same time. I told my guy the bond you create with this plant is special he didn’t understand that until then. It deff warmed my heart to see the passion and love grow for this plant. I felt proud to introduce someone to the love of growing. We’ll get it figured out I’m not worried.

Prodigygrower · Jun 20, 2019

So it was deff under watering which is what I thought it was in the first place. That can resemble mag deficiency. I thought this was the case because I know I followed franks mix to a t. From what I remember he compensated for these things for these specific genetics. Any way I looked at the girls today and what do you know deff needed water so I hope we can stay more on top of that. By that I mean imma be on my guys head everyday now. I guess a positive is they have been stress tested so the females I have should be true. I’m loving the structure on a couple of these fotia they are branching and stacking like crazy. I do have my eye on one pheno that screams og a lil more stretchy but still good structure. They all have a strong smell but I suck at the stem rub thing prolly from smoking cigarettes. I know I know imma quit soon I hope. I’ve never had such a bad male to female ratio before smh. The one trophaze I have I like the way she looks as well as the 91 chem x yeti those are just strong plants. I need to pop the rest of them. I think I have a loompas head band leaning pheno. Either way they can take some abuse and thrive. I broke a main branch off of one of the wedding cake X sleeping Iraqi’s but it’s just bushing out. I’m excited to see what these can do. Once the remaining chem4 x bb and wedding cake x sleeping Iraqi sex imma hopefully be left with 10 females. I’ll then let them Bush out a lil more and toss them in 7 gal pots take cuts and we are off to the races. I think I’m just gonna run 2 600s for now with the plant numbers and space I think this should be good. Plus being summer it will be easier to manage my temps. That is what I’m most focused on my humidity is rite around 50 percent and temps at a high are 79 degrees. If I can keep that I’ll be happy. Other than that no bugs or mold things are going well slow but could be much worse. On a plus not my stl blues won their first Stanley cup LGB!!

Wendull C. · Jun 20, 2019

I have just started using all organic soil. Yes, hydro grows faster, and I can make it taste clean while burning to a pure white ash , but the simplicity of feeding 7.0 ro water and the constant in plant health are amazing. I don't know if I will ever go back to rockwool or coco drip dtw.

Prodigygrower · Jul 1, 2019

What up guys. So I transplanted into 5 gal pots I have 13 girls 4 chem4 x bb 2 wedding cake x sleeping Iraqi 1 81 chem skunk va x yeti f3 5 fotia and 1 Tropicana cookie x 91chem haze. I have a few pics one of the 91yeti and some of the chem4 bb that I have my eye one. Hopefully this transplant will take care if he def problems I was having. The pics first 2 are of one pheno of the wedding cake x sleeping Iraqi then the next are of chem4 x bb. I’ll get more organized shots next time

99problems · Jul 1, 2019

Looking alot better in there now!

Prodigygrower · Jul 3, 2019

Oh here are some shots of each pheno of the chem4 x dj bb, 91chem x yeti f3 , and wedding cake s1 x sleeping Iraqi. Sleeping Iraqi is an Iraqi land race x grimmindica from brothers grim. Up first is the chem4 x bb. I like these girls I think I have 3 different phenos because two are very similar. I’d try to describe the stem rub but I’m horrible at it they have a sweet skunky smell. Idk picking up the suttle nuances of smell in veg has never been my strong point smells like fresh herb to me. How ever they have nice structure 6 to 8 main tops on all plants and they are stacking. 2 are more compact and 2 are stretchier I’ve never grown bb or chem 4 before but I deff think it’s clear what plant leans tward which parent. They deff like their mag well 2 of the phenos did which I’d assume would be the chem leaning phenos the shorter more stacked didn’t mind as much not as fussy.

First 2 phenos of chem 4 x dj bb

Prodigygrower · Jul 3, 2019

Next 2 phenos of chem4 x dj bb

Prodigygrower · Jul 3, 2019

91chem skunk va x yeti f3 (yeti f3 is loompas headband x black domina. I really like her good structure a lil slower in the veg but not fussy at all and she stinks funky skunky gas. My gal says she smells the strongest idk. My fotia are pretty loud and gassy. She deff has a funk to her. This one idk what side she learns tward but she I like how’s shes acting!

Prodigygrower · Jul 3, 2019

Last is the wedding cake s1 x sleeping Iraqi. I believe stray fox said he made s1’s and chose his keeper. I believe he said it produces bigger buds than the original cut but everything else was on par to the original maybe the structure was better too. Idk sorry I’m prolly rambling it’s been a long day and I just smoked a hog leg.I deff have 2 different phenos. Once again I’m not familiar with either of the parents but i like the structure on these as well. Idk I tend to favor plants I can top and train effectively. I love being able to look at the structure of a plant and being like I can top these let branches go so they catch up with these to make a uniform canopy. Or I can’t top these they stretch to much let’s top them x amount of times and super crop them. Idk it’s like a puzzle to me it’s fun. Plus multiple tops of a even canopy equals full jars of dank. The smell is different I get a kushy musky spice kinda thing from them it’s nice.

Prodigygrower · Jul 5, 2019

I’m not gonna lie I’m getting frustrated with these Fotia they are not coming out of this def as fast as I’d like idk. I know they have only been transplanted 3 or 4 days and some phenos are bouncing back but I have 2 or 3 that are not happy. I gave them another epsom spray. I hope they bounce back. I want them to be all the way out before I start flower. They are getting pretty big and I’m gonna max out my space if I don’t flip them in the next week or so. I think I’m already pushing what 2 600’s can do. I might have to cut them back when I take cuts just to be safe. Any way here is a pic of the trophaze bx5 and one of the Fotia who is bouncing back I super cropped them pretty heavily because I’m a lil worried about the stretch.

Prodigygrower · Jul 7, 2019

Well here are the most recent shots. Everything is looking good. The fotia which are like 4 different og’s crosses crossed together are finally coming back from that mag deff. That being said this is my first grow in 6 years I’m pretty happy. Bumps are to be expected but it looks like I can still grow a lil lol. I think settling into the 5 gal pots helped tremendously. Along with the spraying with the epsom. I sprayed them for the third time tonight. I think that will be good I might hit them again in another 3 or 4 days we’ll see.

My final room build out is 5 1/2 x 6/12 by 8. I’ll be running to two 600’s for now I think this we’ll be good. It deff helps to keep the temps in check it’s summer here and hot af. I’ll prolly switch to 2k or 3 600’s at some point but I should be good for now.

First pic is all the girls the second is the 5 different phenos of fotia and the last is my 4 phenos of chem4x dj’s bb. I really like these. I really like all the gear so far but that’s prolly because I haven’t had a garden in 6 years lol.

Prodigygrower · Jul 12, 2019

Well I took cuts yesterday the plant health is in point boy did they explode after transplant. The first pic is the trophaze bx reeks of body Oder and lemons I think she will be special. Then it’s the 91 yeti followed by the 5 phenos of fotia who have bounced back with force then you he chem4 x bb they look great. The room is almost complete just need to set up intake hang the second light and add the trellis prolly a double layer to be safe.

Prodigygrower · Jul 12, 2019

Some pics of the room and the outer room that will be for veg. Each plant have 6 to 8 main tops I’m really hoping I can pull about 4 zips per on these I’d be overly happy but 2 to 3 should be more than doable I think.

Prodigygrower · Jul 25, 2019

Well I’m on day two of flower and things are going ok. I prolly need to kill off one of these girls but I just can’t bring myself to do it I trimmed them up again or the ones that looked like that could use it the most. I showed up late so I ran into the dark period about 15 mins. I fucked up and set my timer from 7 in the morning to 7 at night. Power box timers and their bull shit. Day temps are 80 81 lights on so it’s not horrible. Humidity is right at 50 % I’d like a Lil higher but it will be ok. I hope running into to their dark cycle a lil won’t affect them too much. Still the stand out to me are the trophaze bx5 and the 91chem x yeti. Idk I just love the structure the over all health and they stink they are so far in my opinion the stand outs. The fotia have some nice phenos as well as the bb chem and wedding cake cross. But boy if I had to bet on them those two would be the front runners. Idk what I did but I still can’t get a few of these to be in perfect health. I’m on the verge of it but they are still not where I like them. I’m hoping with the next run I can get them together. I’ll get some shots up in a week or so when I defoliate. I’m trying to wait as long as I can with this trellis because once they are locked in they are gonna be really hard to inspect. I’d rather have to fight them later than miss a hermi plant and have the crop ruined.

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