Small Little Black bugs?
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Pepe le skunk
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If you have thrips(WFT) I suggest you trash them, clean room and start over again.
Been battling them 2 months straight and have given up. Mine are immune to spinosad, azatrol, bombs, nukeum and will not go away no matter how much I treat. It will kill the adults but they breed after first pupate.
Have been using diatom earth on top of the soil last 10 days and they keep hatching out of the leaves.
Especially with damage like in your pictures you should start over. I'd bomb the room at least 7 days apart for 2 weeks before putting anything back in. And clean really well with bleach. Test with yellow sticky cards everywhere to make sure they are gone.
If you decide to clone any special ones you might want to reconsider because they can reinfect. Someone suggested dipping in hot water (115 to 125 degrees) for 1 minute to kill any in the leaves force out any hidden.
If you have a light colored floor they are easier to see. They jump like fleas when you try and crush them.
Here is a close up of the WFT. bugs from hell.
First 2 are the 2nd pupate hatch and when they jump like fleas on the ground and they can fly or glide at this stage. Third pic is the yellow card with black dots is the thrips after second pupate. They jump right on them. Have seen them try and hop off with success on older cards. Last pic is the flying adult stage. Think these are females.
Been battling them 2 months straight and have given up. Mine are immune to spinosad, azatrol, bombs, nukeum and will not go away no matter how much I treat. It will kill the adults but they breed after first pupate.
Have been using diatom earth on top of the soil last 10 days and they keep hatching out of the leaves.
Especially with damage like in your pictures you should start over. I'd bomb the room at least 7 days apart for 2 weeks before putting anything back in. And clean really well with bleach. Test with yellow sticky cards everywhere to make sure they are gone.
If you decide to clone any special ones you might want to reconsider because they can reinfect. Someone suggested dipping in hot water (115 to 125 degrees) for 1 minute to kill any in the leaves force out any hidden.
If you have a light colored floor they are easier to see. They jump like fleas when you try and crush them.
Here is a close up of the WFT. bugs from hell.
First 2 are the 2nd pupate hatch and when they jump like fleas on the ground and they can fly or glide at this stage. Third pic is the yellow card with black dots is the thrips after second pupate. They jump right on them. Have seen them try and hop off with success on older cards. Last pic is the flying adult stage. Think these are females.
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Use Neem Oil, 1 teaspoon to a pint hand sprayer, 2 times a day for 2 weeks, should kill these bugs and give some free mold protection too, don't use within 2 weeks of harvest as Neem is an acquired taste, later do it as a 1x time monthly chore to give great defense to bugs this time of year
I vote neem oil as well. Just make sure you get 100% coverage. I'm not sure what the black spots are. A buddy of mine that ran a mite hotel had leaves like that. Thrips tend to leave small little trails. Mites leave tons of individual dots like a stippling effect.
Questions:
Can you tell how many legs?
Whats their movements like (fast, slow, do they like to hide or run away, etc)?
Anything else unique?
Can you get a close up pic?
What's the black dots, are they the bug or the crap from the bug?
Thrips leave behind poop and turn the leave into an ash/silver color until the leaf dies.
If you have thrips one of the best product is spinodad. It can be found in a product called dead bug brew. It's the byproduct of a bacteria that devastates thrips. But I would also suggest rotating other products into your IPM (integrated pest mgt).
I had thrips and did not trash the plants or even bomb the room. Spinosad did the job. And I used neem, sns217 and more but they'd come back. Thrips move quickly and will hide when spray. Spinosad gets ingested later when they come back out to feed and they die.
Can you tell how many legs?
Whats their movements like (fast, slow, do they like to hide or run away, etc)?
Anything else unique?
Can you get a close up pic?
What's the black dots, are they the bug or the crap from the bug?
Thrips leave behind poop and turn the leave into an ash/silver color until the leaf dies.
If you have thrips one of the best product is spinodad. It can be found in a product called dead bug brew. It's the byproduct of a bacteria that devastates thrips. But I would also suggest rotating other products into your IPM (integrated pest mgt).
I had thrips and did not trash the plants or even bomb the room. Spinosad did the job. And I used neem, sns217 and more but they'd come back. Thrips move quickly and will hide when spray. Spinosad gets ingested later when they come back out to feed and they die.
BUGS!
BUGS!
I found them finally. Sons of BITCHES!
Got my No Pest Strip on today.
Will No Pest Strips help or do i need to try Spinosad??
I'm going to hold off on buying neem oil right now as I want to do research on the pure vs hydrophobic
(hydrophobic means: Hydro=water & Phobic=fear; or "to repel or fail to mix with water")
Look what i spy...
BUGS!
I found them finally. Sons of BITCHES!
Got my No Pest Strip on today.
Will No Pest Strips help or do i need to try Spinosad??
I'm going to hold off on buying neem oil right now as I want to do research on the pure vs hydrophobic
(hydrophobic means: Hydro=water & Phobic=fear; or "to repel or fail to mix with water")
Look what i spy...
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RedBeardy5
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Spray some spinosad on them quick
Confirmed. Looks like both to me. (4th pic looks like a thrip the rest look like mites)
"pure vs hydrophobic neem oil". I've used the cheap Greenlight & GardenSafe neem solutions as well as the Dyna-gro pure neem. All have worked for me on both thrips and spidermites. It is all in the application. I can't say it enough. "Front and back of every leaf, stems, and soil every other day for a week. 100% coverage is the key." Make sure to clean the surrounding surfaces such as pots, walls, floors...
I do prefer the Dyna-gro it is a better product and does not include Pyrethrins or Piperonyl Butoxide (found in greenlight fruit tree spray which I have also used). For me it was a budget thing when I first started. NPstrips are your choice but after reading up on them I don't use them anymore.
I've never used spinosad but it seems like many folks speak well of it.
"pure vs hydrophobic neem oil". I've used the cheap Greenlight & GardenSafe neem solutions as well as the Dyna-gro pure neem. All have worked for me on both thrips and spidermites. It is all in the application. I can't say it enough. "Front and back of every leaf, stems, and soil every other day for a week. 100% coverage is the key." Make sure to clean the surrounding surfaces such as pots, walls, floors...
I do prefer the Dyna-gro it is a better product and does not include Pyrethrins or Piperonyl Butoxide (found in greenlight fruit tree spray which I have also used). For me it was a budget thing when I first started. NPstrips are your choice but after reading up on them I don't use them anymore.
I've never used spinosad but it seems like many folks speak well of it.
Yeah 100% spidermites and the pic mentioned by greenheart with the slender bug looks like thrips. I think you need a well rounded approach. Spinosad, neem, maybe other oils like rosamary and perhaps a systemic or powerful knock down too (are some safer than others so be safe when going into flower). Try to incorporate diff pesticides with diff modes of action. Put into rotation and be sure to not use more than label says per season, which is kinda like per cycle indoors.
I am glad you are getting answers as I have only questions, sorry! I have big black bugs maybe 3/4 inch long crawling all over my cellar floor. I think when researching I discovered they are some black beetle from Europe and actually, shockingly in fact for an introduced species, actually beneficial. I hope so as I have many of them, along with centipedes and crickets with long back legs! 
anyway good luck man!
anyway good luck man!
Hi again.
I haven't seen any bugs, but a few leaves did this... What do you think happened?
Been picking a few leaves off this one plant every 4-5 days now, it just started 2 weeks ago. Which happened to be right before i flipped them to 12/12 (about 9 days ago)
I haven't seen any bugs, but a few leaves did this... What do you think happened?
Been picking a few leaves off this one plant every 4-5 days now, it just started 2 weeks ago. Which happened to be right before i flipped them to 12/12 (about 9 days ago)
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Pepe le skunk
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keep an eye out for root aphids. crawlers and flyers means aphids. Very small look like crabs. flyers look like fungus gnats. Look under 10X.
