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Old 09-04-2018, 06:31 PM #11
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@Switch... everyone is different and edibles can be different for the same person depending on what he has had to eat that day.

I do a lot of edibles and I have it down pretty good but still trying to improve. One thing I have found (and proved it again last night) is that if you 'under decarb' your pot, it will take longer to affect you. I'm not sure why but I have found it to be true in test after test.

For my personal use, my dose is about 1000mg (yeah, I know that's 100x the normal dose. I have tolerance issues). Last night I made some coconut oil using my sous vide device. I put 1/2 ounce of buds it in a vacuum for 1:30 to decarb it as instructed on Sousweed.com and then extracted in 1/2 cup of coconut oil for 3:30. I made a batch of Coco-Krispies treats and ate about 3/4 of them. Apparently the 1:30 was not enough or I had no food in my stomach but it took almost 4 hours to get off. Then, the effect lasted 3 or 4 hours which is typical for me and then wore off. Usually, I fall asleep after that but I wasn't really tired. Just not high any more.


That was a very low dose and for me to feel that little is unusual. But, like I said, it all depends on the person and what his diet has been that day. I often take 3 grams of rosin with some coconut oil and feel absolutely nothing.


I am not a tincture person because I need to drink half a bottle and that shit is nasty tasting. Tincture is generally fast onset because it is taken in through the mouth pores and does not have to make that long journey through the GI tract.
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A lot of people question it. I am not sure what to think, I don't believe it has been studied.

Certainly added an undesireable flavour to some honey I made a bit ago.
I use a lot of lecithin and 2 things.... 1, use the liquid stuff. It works so much better. And, 2, use as much as you can without it adding taste to your edible.

I am somewhat of a chef and I use lecithin in many things. It helps eggs, flour and milk homogenize to make cake taste creamy smooth.

And.... it's good for you.

If you could taste it, you used too much.

Plus, I never use soy lecithin. Always sunflower lecithin.
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I always assumed that it just meant it had the lecithin in it. Does a claim like that need to be substantiated somehow? It seems like generic marketing lingo to me "new and improved."
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As far as the "beer" alcohol fortifies with cannabis (aka tincture) is more bioavailable. FWIW...
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@Switch... everyone is different and edibles can be different for the same person depending on what he has had to eat that day.

I do a lot of edibles and I have it down pretty good but still trying to improve. One thing I have found (and proved it again last night) is that if you 'under decarb' your pot, it will take longer to affect you. I'm not sure why but I have found it to be true in test after test.

For my personal use, my dose is about 1000mg (yeah, I know that's 100x the normal dose. I have tolerance issues). Last night I made some coconut oil using my sous vide device. I put 1/2 ounce of buds it in a vacuum for 1:30 to decarb it as instructed on Sousweed.com and then extracted in 1/2 cup of coconut oil for 3:30. I made a batch of Coco-Krispies treats and ate about 3/4 of them. Apparently the 1:30 was not enough or I had no food in my stomach but it took almost 4 hours to get off. Then, the effect lasted 3 or 4 hours which is typical for me and then wore off. Usually, I fall asleep after that but I wasn't really tired. Just not high any more.


That was a very low dose and for me to feel that little is unusual. But, like I said, it all depends on the person and what his diet has been that day. I often take 3 grams of rosin with some coconut oil and feel absolutely nothing.


I am not a tincture person because I need to drink half a bottle and that shit is nasty tasting. Tincture is generally fast onset because it is taken in through the mouth pores and does not have to make that long journey through the GI tract.
Understood! Yes tolerance varies amongst us. Wouldn't even think of 1000mg dose. 40mg is plenty for me. AAMOF I make my doses @ 15/30mg (liquid) and 15-20mg for dry herb. (if I want more, I just take an extra cap). Like you said the standard recommended dose is 10-15mg. At those levels, I am in full control e.g no surprises!

For recreational use by all means, you want to feel it NOW, and you quit when you had enough. Medicine start lower and find your sweet spot. One taking normal medication, there is a waiting period for it do take effect, unless your mainlining!

That being said, my pills are indeed designed for me. Edibles are a different kettle of fish as they are food (that is also why they recommend to spike 'em with lecithin).
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As far as the "beer" alcohol fortifies with cannabis (aka tincture) is more bioavailable. FWIW...
There is no alcohol in the cannabis 'beer'. They 'overheat' it like Kingsbury Brew and O'Doole's to evap out the remaining alcohol. Then, they send it to their cannabis facility where the 'beer' is infused with a 'water based' cannabis extract.

That's kind of another question I have. How are they making a water based cannabis extract. Glycerin might work but it's not a great product to use for extract (not real efficient) and it's going to add a lot of taste to the 'beer'.

Water based cannabis 'oil'. ?????? That like making an Italian salad dressing that doesn't separate. LOL

With the billions of dollars riding on cannabis, we will be in an entirely new world in a couple decades. Too bad I'll be gone by then.
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They must be doing something special.
Does anyone have any idea how they get the early onset trait into their edibles
THC acetate, it crosses the blood brain barrier faster.
same chemical reaction performed on THC as the one that turns morphine to heroin.

thread about how here: THC Acetate

I've been wondering when we would see this hit the legal market, I'll bet lots of it gets added to vape pens to goose the effects as a "secret" sauce.
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I use a lot of lecithin and 2 things.... 1, use the liquid stuff. It works so much better. And, 2, use as much as you can without it adding taste to your edible.

I am somewhat of a chef and I use lecithin in many things. It helps eggs, flour and milk homogenize to make cake taste creamy smooth.

And.... it's good for you.

If you could taste it, you used too much.

Plus, I never use soy lecithin. Always sunflower lecithin.
Ah maybe I will try sunflower.

It was 30g liquid soy lecithin to 1000g honey. Straight honey/oil made a poor mix and I didn't find the 30g lecithin did too much benefit for homogenizing. Creamed honey is likely the better route but I've yet to try it.
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Why sunflower lecithin over soy?
I have been trying to avoid soy lately and just wanted to know.
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