OG KUSH - Mastering the PINE flavor!

Bongstar420 said:

The entire process will have an effect on the product. Fragrance and flavor mature depending on what the fresh chemotype of the material is. Generally the treatment process will rely on oxidation rates more or less depending on your goal which will vary according to the environment and the plants chemotype. As for pine flavors, it seems that the best way is to get the gene that codes for Lynalyol pyrophosphate from Gernyl pyrophosphate which all psychoactive cannabis should have. I'm pretty sure that you will get Pinene in varying quantities in the offspring with that simple difference. Im just pretty sure there is probably a bunch of different ways to get Pinene's from Lynalyol pyrophosphate but I may be wrong. I can tell you one thing, Pinene is a heavy component of the actual resin. If its real Pine genes then you should be able to heat dry the stuff and still detect some pine flavor. Ive grown crosses that would yield heat process resin that was reminescent of Pinesol. I would imagine that the characteristic Pinesol scent was due to oxidation conditions since the resin was dark clearish. Toluene was the solvent extract. Im pretty sure I refluxed the stuff in the presence of Isopropanol and Hydrochloric acid and still had Pinesol aroma. So, just saying real, strong piney stuff isnt (or shouldn't be) a delicate thing to get. I think it is a rough and tumble trait. I would breed that Pine OG if I had some OG genetics and clients that would actually support me..>Which I don't (cant seem to get support for anything less than tip top shelf because Im not the mr social asslicker make the sale type). I do believe that I have the original stuff I got the Pine phenotypes from though Im not sure they are the specific cross since I didn't keep notes and lost a bunch of specific crosses to storage compromise. Ironically, the plants flowering structure is pine cone type cola on super short bushes mostly.lol. I gotta crack those open some time and look for that Pine now that I think about it.

If you wanted to cheat, you could simply cure the stuff with some pine oil in a breathable sub container. You just have to find the pine oil that you like because each individual tree is different. I like sweet slightly astringent pines mostly.

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GroBot810 said:

You are telling this guy to cure with pine oil?! Imo thts not "cheating" thts tainting but different strokes for different folks lmao.

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mister ask said:

So my journey leads to me to ICMag....


Been a caregiver for 7-8 years now and I am finally at a point in my life I wanted to share with the ICmag community. Before I ask and tell, I wanted to thank a few people first... Lord Overtoke, Lady Overtoke, OGraskal, Lucas, Ghost, Katsu Bluebird, Green Crack Man, Rez Dog, Di wee Dalat, Krunchbubble, Kali Ku$H farmers, Orgnkid, and a few others I need not mention as they already know I got nothing but respect and love for them. Most of all, I want to thank God for leading the way, and carrying me through the tough times. You don’t really know how blessed you all are until you stop to think and look at others that are not so fortunate enough.
Each of the above have helped me along the way, mostly in 03 when Overgrow was the premiere place to learn, teach, ask, and answer.... Most of you here on ICmag remember those days, I'm sure. Some have love for the names mentioned, some don't. To each his own... I have never met any of these individuals, but one day, in the big sky, our paths will cross. BELIEVE THAT!


So on with the topic OG KUSH. That's all I experiment with, that's all I have experimented with for years minus the occasional Bubba (from OrgnKid) and Sour Diesel (from Rez). After a few years, I am realizing there is a true science to growing OG Kush. It’s not your average girl that will just take anything you give her, or output what other great strains give. The hardest part for me has been reaching the epitome of full flavor. I have done great with yields, I have done great with pruning techniques, and I even have had some of the shortest girls ever, without using superbud. Practice, Practice, Practice, is all I was told going through my learning stages. Here we are, years later, and I all I need to master for my own acceptation, is to achieve that PINE taste and smell. Now let me be the first to say, I am nowhere near a master farmer, I am not a Bushy Old grower either. I am just a regular Joe trying to do the best I can with what I have. However, I had to come out of my shell and ask some of you that also are on this path with me, if you also are having a difficulty achieving the full flavor of OG Kush?

A little history (that I know of)… There were only a few cuts going around in 01, 02, and 03. Most of the cuts people have today are from Ghost (from what I have been told, again it could be just opinion). When he obtained the cut, it was pretty much over for the ones who wanted to keep it on lock. If you are reading this Ghost, sit back and enjoy, you know this is all true! Obviously there were other OG members as well as CW (cannabis world) that had the true OG Kush cut and they passed it out as well. Now here we are years later, so many breeders have crossed the OG Kush with various strains for whatever reasons, and re-labeled it something else. Whatever it is, it is what it is… I have no hate for it… I did, I’ll be honest, but life must evolve and sh!t can’t be the same forever. Just take a look at how many pot stores are in LA alone, no one saw that coming, and if they did, they didn’t say it. Obviously there is more to it, but I am not here to reveal the history most true Kush farmers know, and for those that are new to it, just be happy you have the real cut and PRACTICE… You got it!

So let me explain where I am at, and if you can somewhat agree, or are on the same path as me, please chime in. Feel free to PM me if you want to be discreet.

Some questions relating to the flavor and scent of the OG Kush.
1. Have you ever done absolutely everything you thought was correct and when fully cured and dried, your OG was lacking that full PINE scent and flavor? It was just Lemon Skunky

2. Have you tried using Dehumidifiers in the drying process and still no PINE?

3. Have you added enhancers during the flush stage and still no PINE?

4. Have you used leeching elements (Clearx, Final Flush, Supernatural, etc,) and still no PINE?

5. Have you dried in the complete darkness for 2 weeks, with RH at 40-50%, exhaust timing, the works, and still no PINE?

I ask these things because these are a few steps I have taken to achieving that PINE flavor.
Someone once said, it’s a special way of doing things that will let you achieve the flavor. I have believed this someone for the past year now. Even though I never met them personally, I do know for a fact, they have the Real Pine OG Kush and remain to be one of the elite.

I can name you tons of nutrients I have tried (chemical, organics, hydro organics). I have also kept it simple (K.I.S.S) and I have also spent a lot on the best nuts just cause I thought it was the magic element. From all my tests, I think keeping it simple works best, but does not yield the most. Am I right here?
So what does my OG tastes and smell like… Surely you must know in order to chime in… So….

Right when the plant is harvested, I lack that flavor and scent of the PINE. I get this Lemon Diesel type scent for the first 24/48hrs. Then comes that hay smell that I dread so much because it leads me to believe I am doing something wrong. Sound familiar? After a few weeks of drying properly (40-50 RH and 55-65 degree room temps, complete darkness, fresh air on timers, exhaust on timers), I begin to get that lemony scent. More citrus than lemon pine. I usually test the dried plant by bending and snapping stems, when ready I begin the final manicure process, and begin burping in jars for however long it takes to get that lemon skunk smell. I also cut a head off while in the flush stage, suck on the stem, to see if the plant still has any chem in it. After all the processes are finalized, I test the smoke to see if it burns correctly (grey ash opposed to black coal). Pretty basic ay? I personally don’t think the elite PINE OG Kush farmers do this. But that’s opinion of course. Again, after all these years, I am still learning… I’ll be first to admit I have mostly everything down, and all I am lacking is the PINE flavor and PINE scent. Please trust the fact that it does taste great, and it does smell very pungent, but it’s more lemony than piney.

At one point I was under the impression I may have not obtained the real cut. I too had a cross of some sort and that’s why all my attempts have brought me to this lemon skunk vs. the true PINESOL PINE.
SO I respectfully ask, what am I doing wrong? Or better yet? What am I not doing right?

Can you give me a recent history on what type of OG cuts are out there?
Here’s the short list I know of reading IC MAG.
1. Abusive (where did this come from? It was not present in the days of OG and CW)
2. Ghost (I already know mostly everything about this one)
3. Hells Angels (whoa, I guess)
4. SFV (personally that’s a Ghost cut rebred, but again all speculation)
5. XXX OG (whatever with this one)
6. Pine Kush (can this be the one I don’t have)

There’s more, but these are the focus points for me for now. When you are experimenting, you must omit as much as possible before the experimentation process begins. They do this in science labs all day long, and I have adopted the same means and methods as lab specialists.

To recap, I must say that I value everyone’s opinion and recommendation. IF you are a novice and just started growing OG Kush, I wish you luck on your quest. It truly helps my patients live a better life and with that, I can also live better knowing I really helped someone. You are only supposed to look down at someone, only when helping them up!

In no way do I know the true history and nor do I care at this point because I know enough to thank those who paved the way for most of us.

If you feel like you can help or shed some light to what I have asked, please do...

Thanks for reading and I wish you the best. We are all in this together….. It’s US VS THEM..

U.N.I.

Mister Ask

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KulaKush said:

I'm surprised no one has really answered your question correctly here. Where are all the real OG Kush Growers At? I ran into this thread and read it since I also had the same questions back in the day. I'm from the SFV and I been growing the clone only "Sativa Dominant OG Kush" and a bunch of all the other commercial "Indica Dominant OG Kush" that have flooded and diluted the quality of the OG market here in LA and the SFV. I've come across, seen, grown and sampled a shit load of different types of OG Kush strains that are currently out there. All these names are just marketing gimmicks done by certain breeders and growers that have a pheno of the "real deal" and call it "Whatever" OG Kush. Don't get me wrong they've done a great job to capture the look, the crystals the big bugs etc but they all pack a decent punch compared to any other non OG strain. But where all these commercial strains fail is at the smell, taste and the overall high.

You want the strong smell, taste and full flavor of the real go kush? The most important thing is? GENETICS. Second is environment and nutrients and Third is the drying and curing which is the obvious..."Fundamentals"

Their is a reason why everyone always tells me. Damn your shit smells the most. It has the best flavor and the high is energetic and euphoric. Bringing this narcotic type warmth feeling inside you that makes you feel good and sparking artistic creative energy inside you. At lest for me it does.

From the looks of the info you have provided it seems to me that you may not have the real go kush clone. Cause I could piss on that plant and still have it come out with the strong odor and full flavor taste. As long as I Don't burn the plant. The real Sativa dominant OG Kush clone is a very light feeder. It's a real skinny, finicky bitch that doesn't forgive. You feed her wrong, or you get bugs on her like spider mites then your weight is axed in 1/2. Big losses people pissed etc.. While the other commercial OG's you can have bugs, over feed the hell out of it and still pull 1.5- 1.75 lbs per 1000 watt. Where as the real bitch will give you 0.75-1.0 lbs per 1000 watts under the same conditions. It takes 1/2 the nutrient strength fed to the bigger and most robust Indica dominant OG Kush Phenos. Most people that try growing usually burn it and it ends up turning out darker than normal but the smell and taste can be full flavored as well under these conditions.

PINEY VS LEMONY VS LEMONY/PINEY

All shit aside. I spend about 25% on nutrients compared to what the average OG Kush grower spends. The key is to keep it simple and OLD SCHOOL. This is how they did it back in the day assuming you have the real deal Sativa OG Kush Clone. You can try it with the other commercial OG and you will get a variation in taste as well from Piney to Lemony but not noticeable and prominent like the "real deal" The smell is so strong that after trim sessions I've changed all my clothes, taken a shower and when I go into a room people are still like damn you smell good what you smoking.

AND ONE LAST THING. FOR TASTE. MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU ARE TAKING DOWN YOUR BUDS, MOST YOUR LEAVES ARE YELLOW FROM SLOWLY BRINGING THE PPM'S DOWN AFTER WEEK 6, you almost got to starve them or run them right under optimal so the leaves start losing their green slowly making your bud have that rich full flavor.

Old School Recipe #1 (Piney)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Monster Bloom and finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

Old School Recipe #2 (Lemony)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Big Bud and finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

Old School Recipe #3 (Lemony/Piney)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Monster, then Big Bud & finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

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PoweredByLove said:

accidentally stumbled into this thread...i'm suprised no one repped this post. this dude has the answer to not only ogk but all weed. you wanna feed enough but not too much then gradually bring it down and let em fade out before chop. bam! flavors and smells.

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