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Old 06-12-2018, 01:57 AM #1
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MountainOrganics "New" No-Till Recipe Grow... Let's Do This!!

Hey all, I am transitioning from hydro to No-till gardening! I follow MountainOrganics (creator of the infamous NTG: Revisited thread) on Instagram and he recently made an IG post describing his "new" soil recipe which is simply:

Equal Parts:
  1. Very High-Quality Compost (Malibu Compost works great)
  2. Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss
  3. Aeration (Lava rock or Pumice)
Per Cu Ft of Base Soil:
  • 8-10 Cups of BioChar
  • 8-12 Cups of Rock Dust
That's it! No amendments! I even DM'd him on IG to ask him if the above recipe really doesn't need any amendments at all and his response was
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No Need to! The beefed up minerals covers it all and biochar adds longevity!
And if i am not mistaken he doesn't even use any kinds of teas, he just does water only! BUT he does do foliar sprays of his "tonics."

He has ventured into the cannabis business world and has his own line of bottled tonics that he sells. Apparently, these are the only foliar sprays he uses. So aside from water only he does foliar sprays and that's it! I hope to eventually dive further into the subject of his tonics, as I would love to try to emulate his tonics as much as possible, in hopes of finding what I'd like to call a bare-bones minimal-input no-till gardening system that produces quality crop.

Through this thread, I hope to learn more about soil and the life that comes with it, in general. I also hope my thread can maybe become an inspiration or maybe help someone(s) come to understand something they never completely understood before. Or I hope that this thread can maybe serve as a reference to any beginners starting up no-till soil and that others follow along to not only experience anything that I may share, but to also share any valuable information that can assist others!


With that being said I leave you with pics of my progress so far:







Brand new fresh soil! So far all I've done to it is get it wet. I plan to throw in some worms and some cover crops. Most likely cover crops will be clover, fenugreek, and maybe buckwheat or cowpeas.



I will be planting 5 plants. 3 are unsexed regular seedlings of the strain "Prayer Tower" by Bodhi. It is a cross of Appalachia and a sativa-dominant Lemon Thai. I will also be planting 2 Gorilla Bubble BX4 clones I have.
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:20 AM #2
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Il be the first to say VERY COOL!! I have spent the last year researching and acquiring a tonne of amendments, so of course as soon as I have it all and mix it up, someone goes out and does none of it. Very curious and excited to see how it turns out. I could see this work if you had some ace up your sleeve like homemade jacked up to the max EWC, or the biochar that was inoculated with a potent soak, but it looks like just regular unloaded biochar, and store-bought compost! So yeah, I'm doubtful, but looking forward to being surprised and learning a good lesson here.

Then again, you provided a link to his 600 page grasscity thread so the proof is already there. Looks like I got some reading to do.
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I don't doubt that it should work though it may be slow going at first until the worms really have a chance to cycle through the soil and add their magic. I planted an avocado tree with 6 cubic feet of the base soil mix with minimal amendments added and it is one of the healthier avocado trees that I have seen around. There is a lot to be said for quality compost and worms in your soil.

I have found that using a nice thick layer of dry mulch consisting of straw or hay (I also like to add yarrow flowers, dandelion, borage, and/or lavender buds from around the yard for diversity) will break down nicely with time and give the worms an extra food source to chew on and cycle into your soil mix. From your pics I would guess that you live in a hot area and having a good mulch layer will help keep your soil moist.

I'm excited to see the progress and good luck!
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We are following very similar paths although you have the luxury of using the sun! Our soil mixes are identical but I went the amendment route as has been traditional with this style. Hopefully you don’t mind but I posted a link to my thread on the subject below. Hopefully you’ll find some benefit! I’ll be subscribed to this so I can see the differences!

I’m like less than a week into this so it should be a nice parallel to your grow with very minimal differences in terms of soil structure and light source.

In theory the compost and castings that you’ll eventuallly get should provide everything required for success. Best of luck! I’ll be watching!

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Wait...you did charge the Biochar first right?
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For anyone that is enjoying the no till mofo thread or wants to learn more without going through all 600+ pages I will update this message with all the pages that MOFO makes his excellent extensive and detailed educational posts.

Hope OP doesn't mind. I will update this message once a week or so.

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Something tells me the calcium won't be high enough and the micros will be out of whack
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First image with the tarp all spread out, what’s in the brown bag to the right of the red bucket? What did you end up for as aeration?
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In what world is this no till?
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First image with the tarp all spread out, what’s in the brown bag to the right of the red bucket? What did you end up for as aeration?
I think the brown bag is rock dust, probably glacial rock dust.
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