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Old 10-30-2018, 12:01 AM #21
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Mexico. ? is jidoka going to back up anything he said ? this is very relevant to the rest of us talking to him like a person.
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By showing a pic w/o answering the question? Smith knows me...he can take or leave my advise. When you actually give some he can decide that about you
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Once you make those decisions then it is canopy control and labor. I have trouble seeing more than 1-2 people/10,000 sq ft. I would be looking at a mgr/lead whatever you call them per 5-9 10K GHs

Do yourself a favor and look for people with mfg backgrounds for those jobs. Give them sops for the grow part. Do not hire anyone that claims to be a “grower”
Truth. We do 120,000 sq ft and that requires about 20 people, 4 of which are leads with one gm.
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So...this may be more than you want to say online...but is there money for the entire project or 1gh gotta pay for the next, etc

You gonna veg separately or in the flowering GHs? Organic with boosts for ec control or small coco/rockwool?

Once you make those decisions then it is canopy control and labor. I have trouble seeing more than 1-2 people/10,000 sq ft. I would be looking at a mgr/lead whatever you call them per 5-9 10K GHs

Do yourself a favor and look for people with mfg backgrounds for those jobs. Give them sops for the grow part. Do not hire anyone that claims to be a “grower”

Keep trimming and concentrates separate. Grow that as needed

Ideally you would start with enough ghs to harvest weekly to smooth out trim/concentrates
I teamed up with a huge company, that is nation wide. They are getting into the cannabis business, with a huge budget. Money isn't really a big deal, we are more trying to figure out our potential yields, and how to sell 1600 lbs every 6 weeks. Money doesn't seem to be a problem.

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I am still trying to decide here. I am either going to have 3 10k sq ft greenhouses for flowering, and 1 for veg. Or what seems to make more sense, is divide each greenhouse and put 66% of the sq ft per greenhouse into flower, 33% into veg. Any advice here?

Soil grow:

You say only have 1-2 people per 10k, then you say a manager for up to 9 gh's. I like this, as I planned for almost double the work force. Then you say hire people with manufacturing backgrounds, and not to hire "growers". Has that been a problem for farms you have witnessed? "Growers" not holding up to the potential needed?

Trimming and concentrates:
Trimming will be a hire as needed type of thing for sure. Concentrates will also be taken care of by a "grower" as it stands now. I would think concentrates is a fairly easy gig, with the right equipment and facility.

Thanks for the advice. You can always tell who has superior experience on the boards.
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What size should your harvest room be compared to your grow area? I imagine if you harvest everything at once, the room will have to be huge. If you stagger your harvests, you can shrink the size of your room. However it would be a bad thing to have a fresh harvest ready to dry, and still have the last harvest finishing off.

I was thinking the dry room had to be around 20% the size of the area being harvested. Is that about right?
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Truth. We do 120,000 sq ft and that requires about 20 people, 4 of which are leads with one gm.
It would be great if you could pop back into my yield metrics thread, and share some knowledge on your facility and it's variables. Would love to know how you guys measure yields.
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When you get on this scale you want to run everything by standard operating procedure...not the opinion of a grower. For example, say you are topping at the third node but you get the idea that maybe the 5th node would fill the canopy better. You want to do a single table test

You want to base change on data not what someone thinks. Growers will constantly surprise you...you walk into a room and every fan leaf is gone cause that’s the internet hype. Then you gotta train somebody else.

You gotta focus on the metrics that make companies successful. Inventory turns, yield, productivity, quality and the touchy feely hr...moral, pride, turnover

IMO those are best served by evening the flow out so labor is the same every week. Harvest the same amount of plants. Plant the same amount of plants. Do the canopy work the same day weekly. And above all spray on foliar Friday ��.

Measure yield by weight/sq ft or weight/bed if all your beds are the same size

Anyways think about the metrics as you plan. Don’t create roadblocks right up front
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:47 PM #29
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Farmtek is solid. S1000, S2000, they can stack them together, custom engineer, custom fabrication, whatever you need assuming the order is big enough and you're willing to pay. If you're thinking about stacking together 20 acres of greenhouses, unless you're on perfect level ground, you're going to have to adjust for elevations which might need some custom design work to fill the transitions or brought to grade prior to expansion. Farmtek's manufacturing facility is out of Iowa.

Conley's was a bit more expensive and never was as responsive or as flexible as farmtek. Met with them, and seemed knowledgeable, just didn't hit it off quite as well and higher cost for the same/similar items.

FF seemed too gimicky, and higher cost as well. But they were years ago, maybe they've changed.

No experience with the other manufacturer.


Industry standard, might not be the best option. I see plenty of open span greenhouses, 30ksf+. Check out some of the Canadian producers that are doing massive spans. However, Canopy just had a complete crop failure in one of their facilities (over 1Msf, https://greencamp.com/canopy-growth-...e-bc-facility/). The problem with large spans is the potential for pathogen spread and the cost to maintain with IPM. Smaller isolated bays cost more up front in construction, but the savings on IPM when needing to spray something specialized is a fraction if only needing to hit 1/20th of the facility and proper biosecurity is used throughout to prevent cross contamination. Plus fine tuning environmental controls to the specific maturity level. You have to decide what is more beneficial there in regards to capex and ongoing/longterm operations.

Go with separate veg/flower houses for sure, instead of splitting up single greenhouses. You want to be able to close up a house and nuke it at the end of the round in case of pests or pathogens, and if there's always plants, you can't do that. Plus climate control for end of cycle and veg should be very different, and you're not going to have different zones in the same greenhouse (more zones, more cost, more wiring, more equipment).

Who are you using for climate controller?? Farmtek will suggest LINK4, but I'd suggest to stay away. Had very good success with Wadsworth, they'll just need all equipment specs and have the SEED controller which is nice and upgrade-able as you continue to build out. Not cheap, but all climate features, lighting, weather station, light dep, vent/circ fans, heaters, etc.

HEPA filtered air?? Assuming you're running wet walls, would be interested to see how that would even be possible. Each greenhouse will likely have intake along most of each endwall, and unless prefiltering into an enclosed walkway, doesn't see massive air filtration being feasible... Greenhouses have cracks, vents, bugs/pathogens will get in eventually even with all the insect screening and prevention one can muster.

CO2, nice for night if you need to close everything up, but otherwise not quite as useful. Burn propane/ng for your heat and you'll generate CO2 as well. I'd love to see a greenhouse that could execute it well, but with air exchange being the main source for cooling, a lot gets wasted unless really fine tuned.


What about post? Dry/cure, trim/package. Extraction. Infusion. Storage. Depending on the state/country, other rules/regs for work areas, access control, camera/security monitoring.



I don't think I agree with those labor numbers when considering all extras aside from growing. Harvest. Planting. Equipment maintenance. Post. Delivery. Sales. All on top of maintaining spaces and actually growing. Are 1-2 people working 24/7/365. Vacations, sick, family emergency. Plants still need tending.



Lots to consider, should be a fun project. Good luck.
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I was not including post grow or propagation. Plus veg will need more people
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