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Old 04-15-2018, 04:50 AM #21
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Thanks for continuing GC. Much appreciated
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:06 AM #22
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So here is a basic mix with everything listed in ppm.

This is a 5-1-1 mix of peat, compost, perlite.

The compost I use is from broilers and laying hens on my farm. Your compost may vary. Check Mg, Na, and Fe levels to make sure they don't put you out of balance from the start. I don't like EWC as a base ingredient due to K and all of the above mentioned elements being in excess in most instances.

First thing I do is mix my needed quantity of base mix with all ingredients dry. After this I will push a small amount of mix through a screen to grind it up. Take a tsp (4.92 cc) and fill it to capacity like it were going to be planted. Weigh that and divide the number by 4.92. Now you know the weight per CC of soil...or at least close enough.

My mixed weighed in at 1.78 grams / tsp...so .36 gr/cc. That is the number you will use to multiply your results and calculate amendment ppm from.

Here are the numbers that I shoot for in total.

n 60.00
p 375.00 - 1000 total
k 300.00 total
mg 250.00 total
ca total 4000.00 total
lime 400.00
gypsum 3600.00
Fe 175-250
zn 30.00
mn 175.00
Cu 12.00
B 4.00
Mo 2.00
Na 50.00

I usually get all of my Mg,Fe and Na from the compost.

Here are the amendments in grams per 22.5 LB of dry base mix @ .361gr/CC.

Bone meal 4-12-0 16gr
TSP 0-46-0 15gr or Calphos 0-3-0 230gr
SOP 0-0-50 15gr
Lime 35% Ca 12gr
Gypsum 175gr
Zn @ 35% 0.8gr
Mn @ 32% 5.5gr
Cu @ 25% 0.5gr
B @ 11% 0.35gr

I wet this down with a brewed ACT of Fish aminos and calphos. The only addition I would make is Si from wallostanite or similar @ 60-80 ppm.

Lets discuss. I will post my feeds shortly. 95-231-131-40-225 ( N, P205, K20, Mg, Ca ) or close.

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Old 04-15-2018, 09:32 AM #23
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10 gallon Flower base / veg base / 50% dilute for seedlings

Fish 2.3-3.5-1 155.00gr
Calphos 0-3-0 106.00gr
Kmag 0-0-21 14.00gr
Gyp 49.00gr
micropak 3.20gr
mn sulfate @32% 0.10gr
zn sulfate @35% 0.05gr
cu sulfate @25% 0.09gr

I like Browns fish Hyrdolysate for amino's. That is my N source in solution. I still use micropak because it is a great base for a complete micro. If I don't feel like adding the individual micro's in addition to the MP, I don't sweat it. SOP can also be sub'd for Kmag, 9 grams of 0-0-50.

I have a 5 gallon brewer that I mix everything but the gypsum into. I brew for 24 hours up to 48. I put the gypsum into a seperate 5 gallons of water with a tsp of humic and enough citric acid to bring the pH to 6. Stir this a couple times while waiting for the brewer.

Mix together right before use. The best way to apply this is by hand, but it can be filtered down to 100 micro and pushed through irrigation. Scale the size to whatever your garden is...I mix up 65 gallon batches in a vortex brewer that are 4x concentrated...then to a 275 gallon tote to be pumped to irrigation, for example.

Application rate: In the above soilless mix, with this flower solution recipe, I water at 1 cup/#1 container. So a #1 gets 1 cup (8oz), a #5 gets 5 cups (40oz). This happens once a week in veg and generally twice a week in flower.
This mix could be used stand alone from start to finish with any other additions being made via topdress to the containers.

Here are my two recipes that I use as boosters... 1 for heavy veg growth/early flower and another for late veg/PK bloom boost. All from 2 different solutions...

5 gallon Veg High N

Fish 132.00gr
Kmag 6.00gr
Gypsum 24.00gr
micropak 1.60gr
mn 0.05gr
zn 0.02gr
cu 0.04gr

This is used the last 2 weeks of veg and the first 2 weeks of flower.

PK booster late flower / late veg

10 gallon PK/ripen

TSP 19.00
SOP 10.50
Micropak 1.60

This is used in the last 2 weeks of veg and during flower weeks 6,7,8 and 9.

So to summarize my scheduling...

Seedlings - 1/2 strength flower/veg solution
Veg week 1-3, #1 nursery pots - 1 cup full strength flower/veg solution
Veg week 4-8 #5 nursery pot - 5 cup full strength flower/ veg solution
Veg week 7-10 #5 nursery pot - 5 cup PK booster added
Veg week 9-10 #5 nursery pot - 5 cup Veg High N

Flower week 1-2 #5 nursery pot - 5 cup Veg High N
Flower week 3-7 #5 nursery pot - 5 cup flower/veg sol.
Flower week 6-9 #5 nursery pot - 5 cups PK boost

However much you water, subtract that many feed solution oz's so you still end up watering the same quantity.

That works great in soilless in combo with the mix posted. I have also run very similar in coco and also in hydro. I would like to see how it can be tweaked.

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Old 04-15-2018, 09:57 AM #24
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Nice posts growincrazy, lots of useful info and ratios. What is the TSP by the way?
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Triple Super Phosphate 0-45-0 or 0-46-0

Great way to kick it off GC.


I've been looking at the tsp and calphos, too. Was thinking of starting with a little bit of both in the mix, watering more often with calphos and leaving the TSP to do its thing over time. Which seems to be in line with your watering and boost schedule but I can see myself getting greedy and going heavy in both the mix and feed. It'll be my Tiger Bloom disaster of 2011 all over again! Lol

The notepad I've been compiling mix and feed ideas here on my desk looks strikingly similar to your mix. Think I'm headed in the right direction. I might end up with a slightly different micro balance and I'd like to get some biochar in there, too. It's becoming a Slow-meets-Coot mishmash. I can hear both camps now: What? Why?!
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Old 04-15-2018, 05:30 PM #26
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Thanks BSG.

I listed the TSP and Calphos depending on what folks choose to use. I get better results with all Calphos in the mix and in feeds, but it is more expensive and harder to get.

I will post the PPM of those solutions later to make it easier on everyone.

On a real soil, I do feed and mix soil as we have been talking about in the SlowN thread and care for it Coot/LOS style.

Soilless doesn't seem to respond the same without some real soil in the mix, when cared for like real soil.
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On a real soil, I do feed and mix soil as we have been talking about in the SlowN thread and care for it Coot/LOS style.

Soilless doesn't seem to respond the same without some real soil in the mix, when cared for like real soil.
And this is where I need to flex some more. I've been doing soilless for so long and with ridiculous CEC considerations that I want to build something that not only sustains for years but is something that I can also steer and make quick turns if I have to.

Here's to not burning the whole thing down with iron and copper sulfate!
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I'm trying to do the slow/cc combo but hate to call it that.

I try and balance most things that go into my soil and let the microbes figure out the rest.

Seems to be working pretty well. Still ironing out some kinks.
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I'm trying to do the slow/cc combo but hate to call it that.

I try and balance most things that go into my soil and let the microbes figure out the rest.

Seems to be working pretty well. Still ironing out some kinks.
What type of kinks are you running into?

I am not a big fan of the CC mix. Too much EWC for my liking, which brings along many excesses.

The other key with a CC style mix is watering. Very few people that I have witnessed running a mix that heavy on EWC know how to water it properly. It just holds moisture for far too long.


For those of you with questions...ask them. You are not alone in any question you may have.

After doing this a while I may forget to mention a detail or point just simply because it is part of the routine now... Speak up and we will do our best.
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Yep- unless I fed those worms myself, I can't trust it. There's only 1500 other sources of N or bacteria. I think the neem meal is groovy, though.
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