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Old 02-07-2019, 08:58 PM #1981
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Yeah, its perfectly normal, we had a sunny dry winter, a wet and cloudy spring, Dec was cold and cloudy, Jan was nice and warm, Feb has been hot and humid for a couple of days, now its cold and wet, its typical Victorian weather,
as for your place, got no idea what go's on there, it sounds a bit extreme tho
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There is a old saying in Vic, if ya don't like the weather wait 5 mins
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:59 AM #1983
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good to see some actual talk about temperatures seen locally
hey, it's what the thread is ultimately about
speaking of cold in the northern usa? bye bye, left a week ago
warmer than average now, in the northeast anyways
now these are the december numbers, late because of government shutdown
2nd warmest december in the record
except to those who are too cool for school and know better, they go with their own internal thermometer
always tells them what they want to hear

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December 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Anomalies in degrees Celsius


December 2018 Blended Land and Sea Surface
Temperature Percentiles

The global land and ocean surface temperature for December 2018 was the second highest since global records began in 1880 at 0.86°C (1.55°F) above the 20th century average. This value trails behind the record year 2015 by 0.27°C (0.49°F).
Notable warm temperature anomalies were observed across much of North America, northern Russia, and Australia, where temperatures were 3.0°C (5.4°F) above average or higher. Of note, parts of the southwestern Indian Ocean had temperatures that were at least 1.0°C (1.8°F) above average or higher. Record warm temperatures were mainly present across much of the Southern Hemisphere, specifically across much of Australia, the southwestern Indian Ocean and across parts of the northwestern Indian Ocean, and the south Atlantic, off the eastern coast of Argentina. According to Australia's Bureau of Meteorology, Australia had its warmest December on record with a mean temperature that was 2.13°C (3.83°F) above the 1961–1990 average. Notable cool temperatures were present across much of central Asia and Far East Russia where temperature departures were -3.0°C (-5.4°F) or lower. However, no land or ocean areas had record cold December temperatures.
The global land-only surface temperature was 1.17°C (2.11°F) above average, tying with 1939 as the eighth highest December temperature on record. Meanwhile, the global ocean-only temperature was also second highest on record at +0.75°C (+1.35°F).
Three of six continents had a December temperature that ranked among the seven highest on record. Of note, Oceania had its warmest December on record at 1.90°C (3.42°F) above average. This was 0.40°C (0.72°F) higher than the previous record set in 1972. South America and Asia had their coolest December since 2011 and 2012, respectively.
Regionally, the Hawaiian Region had its warmest December since 1995 and the fourth warmest since regional records began in 1910. The Caribbean Islands December 2018 temperature tied with 2012 and 1942 as the ninth warmest December on record. Meanwhile, The Atlantic Main Development Region had its coolest December since 2000.
ENSO-neutral persisted during December 2018. According to NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, El Niño is expected to form and continue through the Northern Hemisphere spring (Southern Hemisphere autumn). This forecast focuses on the ocean surface temperatures between 5°N and 5°S latitude and 170°W to 120°W longitude, called the Niño 3.4 region.
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Yeah yeah, there was a heatwave in Australia, and it was in summer FFS
I think Teddy may have mentioned one of the heat waves.

I was reading about the magnetic pole moving, now somewhere in Siberia ?

So is this thread about the geographic North Pole ?

I got your North Pole right here !!!
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Yes, exactly: ‘true’ north indicates the axis of rotation. Magnetic north moves. Moving fast now, if it stays “on course” long enough it’ll be in Siberia, but not moving *that* fast...when I looked last week sometime
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So is this thread about the geographic North Pole ?

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Nope. The Zip/Postal Code. You know.... Santa's house. In Canada BTW.
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I get what you’re saying, kinda like there aren’t *more* unarmed black citizens being murdered by police in the street, it’s just that there are more cameras in more hands so there’s more proof now.

When in fact this has been going on since we got them here.

Sure, climate has been changing by itself for a long, long time; mostly gradually (maybe), sometimes freakin’ fast like a comet strike...can’t really *have* a slow-motion comet strike.

Still, there plenty of evidence that the increase in atmospheric CO2 started going up, up, and away with the Industrial Revolution, and it’s only picked up speed since then...maybe *WE* are the slow-motion comet? The LAST rapid warming was much faster, but that *was* an impact.


I’m not saying I’m right...I’m just saying all the evidence is on one side, and you’re on the other
Only for a very brief moment standing in the fireball. Then it was years of deep freeze.
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A brief geological moment, for sure.

I have read estimates that as much as a few million cubic miles of ice was vaporized in that time (not counting the fires and the secondary melt from ejecta they say accompanied the event). The vast qty of water vapor combined with the smoke triggered the return of the cold and the glaciers as the rains fell across the globe.

A thousand years later, the warming resumed.
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Scientist who warned early about climate change, popularized term 'global warming' dies at 87
"He saw clearly the unprecedented warming now playing out and made his views clear, even when few were willing to listen," a fellow scientist said of researcher Wallace Smith Broecker.
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NEW YORK (AP) — A scientist who raised early alarms about climate change and popularized the term "global warming" has died. Wallace Smith Broecker was 87.

The longtime Columbia University professor and researcher died Monday at a New York City hospital, according to a spokesman for the university's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. Kevin Krajick said Broecker had been ailing in recent months.

Broecker brought "global warming" into common use with a 1975 article that correctly predicted rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere would lead to pronounced warming. He later became the first person to recognize what he called the Ocean Conveyor Belt, a global network of currents affecting everything from air temperature to rain patterns.

"Wally was unique, brilliant and combative," said Princeton University professor Michael Oppenheimer. "He wasn't fooled by the cooling of the 1970s. He saw clearly the unprecedented warming now playing out and made his views clear, even when few were willing to listen."

In the Ocean Conveyor Belt, cold, salty water in the North Atlantic sinks, working like a plunger to drive an ocean current from near North America to Europe. Warm surface waters borne by this current help keep Europe's climate mild.

Otherwise, he said, Europe would be a deep freeze, with average winter temperatures dropping by 20 degrees Fahrenheit or more and London feeling more like Spitsbergen, Norway, which is 600 miles north of the Arctic Circle.

Broecker said his studies suggested that the conveyor is the "Achilles heel of the climate system" and a fragile phenomenon that can change rapidly for reasons not understood. It would take only a slight rise in temperature to keep water from sinking in the North Atlantic, he said, and that would bring the conveyor to a halt. Broecker said it is possible that warming caused by the buildup of greenhouse gases could be enough to affect the ocean currents dramatically.

"Broecker single-handedly popularized the notion that this could lead to a dramatic climate change 'tipping point' and, more generally, Broecker helped communicate to the public and policymakers the potential for abrupt climate changes and unwelcome 'surprises' as a result of climate change," said Penn State professor Michael Mann.

In 1984, Broecker told a House subcommittee that the buildup of greenhouse gases warranted a "bold, new national effort aimed at understanding the operation of the realms of the atmosphere, oceans, ice and terrestrial biosphere."

"We live in a climate system that can jump abruptly from one state to another," Broecker told the Associated Press in 1997. By dumping into the atmosphere huge amounts of greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, "we are conducting an experiment that could have devastating effects."

"We're playing with an angry beast — a climate system that has been shown to be very sensitive," he said.

Broecker received the National Medal of Science in 1996 and was a member of the National Academy of Science. He also served a stint as the research coordinator for Biosphere 2, an experimental living environment turned research lab.

Broecker was born in Chicago in 1931 and grew up in suburban Oak Park.

He joined Columbia's faculty in 1959, spending most of his time at the university's laboratory in Palisades, New York. He was known in science circles as the "Grandfather of Climate Science" and the "Dean of Climate Scientists."

"His discoveries were fundamental to interpreting Earth's climate history," said Oppenheimer. "No scientist was more stimulating to engage with: he was an instigator in a good way, willing to press unpopular ideas, like lofting particles to offset climate change. But it was always a two-way conversation, never dull, always educational. I'll miss him."
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