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Old 01-01-2019, 12:03 AM #251
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The cronys control the regulators thus the regulations. Smaller more transparent government is the only way to attempt to discourage cronyism.


The cronys are still there in a socialist system. The difference is they have the absolute power. The power of life , death. The population is disarmed and helpless to resist. Disent in a socialist system is crushed. You can't have people who disagree in the utopia. I am a big mouth who is opinionated, I will be one of the first to be imprisoned or killed, so as an act of self preservation I oppose socialism.

Any legitimate legislation, must have a constitutional right to grow your own meds. The general non growing public, tend to want us( the gray/black market growers) to suffer. It's the same greed and envy that permeates the socialist system. I have had customers tell me they can't wait for legalization. They still call me, I ignore them. Let them buy the over priced junk.
it's always been this way. the size of government is irrelevant to be honest. what we should want is a government that's accountable to the people. i want government environmental and consumer safety regulations, and things along those lines. i don't want big government war on drugs, big gov military, big gov pharma, ect. it's a more nuanced take than just "govt bad".... government is the only institution we as Americans have the ability to potentially change. privatized entities are 100% unaccountable and will never give a shit about you, me, or anything other than their bottom line.

"socialism" has one of it not the only viable solution for small cannabis entrepreneurs and business owners in general that i know of...... and that is worker owned businesses. every one owns an equal share of the business. no one is left out of the process, there is no CEO at the top reaping all the benefits, ect.
this is exactly what small and independent beer brewers are doing to avoid being bought out by Anheiser Busch and the big boys.


"Any legitimate legislation, must have a constitutional right to grow your own meds."
neither political party will do this. bernie sanders is your best bet to get something like this enacted. and no, it's not because he's a leftist, or socialist, or because i have a bias towards him.... it's because he is a relentless supporter of working people and the middle class/small business owners, and takes zero corporate bribes and has a track record of doing what he says he would.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:16 AM #252
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it's always been this way. the size of government is irrelevant to be honest. what we should want is a government that's accountable to the people. i want government environmental and consumer safety regulations, and things along those lines. i don't want big government war on drugs, big gov military, big gov pharma, ect. it's a more nuanced take than just "govt bad".... government is the only institution we as Americans have the ability to potentially change. privatized entities are 100% unaccountable and will never give a shit about you, me, or anything other than their bottom line.

"socialism" has one of it not the only viable solution for small cannabis entrepreneurs and business owners in general that i know of...... and that is worker owned businesses. every one owns an equal share of the business. no one is left out of the process, there is no CEO at the top reaping all the benefits, ect.
this is exactly what small and independent beer brewers are doing to avoid being bought out by Anheiser Busch and the big boys.


"Any legitimate legislation, must have a constitutional right to grow your own meds."
neither political party will do this. bernie sanders is your best bet to get something like this enacted. and no, it's not because he's a leftist, or socialist, or because i have a bias towards him.... it's because he is a relentless supporter of working people and the middle class/small business owners, and takes zero corporate bribes and has a track record of doing what he says he would.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. Hope you have a great new year's eve.
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I have a 19 yr old who is just finishing up a CS degree. It would be a shame to see him with a record because of one joint. So I'm glad. I can grow 4 monsters in my yard and not worry. I mean what's not to like about it?

Ok ok... I can't grow them like tomatoes. Big fucking deal. That's boring as shit anyway, so I'll grow a few hundred gorilla style for the rush.
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it's always been this way. the size of government is irrelevant to be honest. what we should want is a government that's accountable to the people. i want government environmental and consumer safety regulations, and things along those lines. i don't want big government war on drugs, big gov military, big gov pharma, ect. it's a more nuanced take than just "govt bad".... government is the only institution we as Americans have the ability to potentially change. privatized entities are 100% unaccountable and will never give a shit about you, me, or anything other than their bottom line.

"socialism" has one of it not the only viable solution for small cannabis entrepreneurs and business owners in general that i know of...... and that is worker owned businesses. every one owns an equal share of the business. no one is left out of the process, there is no CEO at the top reaping all the benefits, ect.
this is exactly what small and independent beer brewers are doing to avoid being bought out by Anheiser Busch and the big boys.


"Any legitimate legislation, must have a constitutional right to grow your own meds."
neither political party will do this. bernie sanders is your best bet to get something like this enacted. and no, it's not because he's a leftist, or socialist, or because i have a bias towards him.... it's because he is a relentless supporter of working people and the middle class/small business owners, and takes zero corporate bribes and has a track record of doing what he says he would.
A mix of socialism and regulation is best. No government intervention and the little guy gets crushed, and one guy gets all the marbles.
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Although Mr Washington, was definitely not the supreme being,,, his quote rings true to this day,,, " Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master. "
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A mix of socialism and regulation is best. No government intervention and the little guy gets crushed, and one guy gets all the marbles.
With government intervention the little guy, the middle guy and the big guy gets crushed. The bigger the government, the bigger the sledgehammer.
Do you like to be told what you can and cannot do; in regards to practically everything to do with your life? Do you like to be told what you and can and cannot think, feel and say? If you like all of these things then you are in luck because the democratic party is there for you.
I was doing some repairs on my home and a city inspector drove by and saw the Home Depot truck parked in my driveway and he saw some guys unloading drywall. He drove up into my driveway, identified himself and asked what I was doing? I told him I was replacing some damaged drywall, water damage and doing some remodeling jobs while I had some walls open.
He then told me I needed permits to do that work. You need to understand that "permit" means they will permit me or allow me to repair my home if I do it the way they want me to do it. In other words I need to ask their "permission" to work on my own home and then pay them fees for that permission.
Then I can work only when they finish "processing the permit". Then I must stop work at different points, call them and set up an appointment for them to come inspect and then wait however many days they decide it will take for them to come out to do the inspection. If he approves I can continue. Then do some more work, stop again and go through the whole inspection process again.
These delays cost me extra money because the contractor can't afford to have days where he and his guys are not working while they wait for inspections, so he charges more. Everytime he has to leave, go back and forth between jobs in order to stay busy, packing and unpacking each time, it delays both jobs and is a real inconvenience.
He wanted to come in, setup and work in one place until the job was done before moving on to the next one. He couldn't do that and he and I were both greatly inconvenienced by a government agency, so he charged more.
So I had to go to big daddy government and pay it to get it's permission to work on my home. At considerable inconvenience (if you think living in a torn up home for any period isn't a huge pain in the ass, then you've never experienced it)and cost. The job went from being a 6 week job to a 12 week job and I had to live in a trashed house 2 times longer than was necessary. I bathed at a sink for 4 weeks and I wasn't able to use a kitchen for 8 weeks.
So finally after that awful experience was over, I get a visit from a representative from a county official and he wanted to inspect what was done to the home and determine if my property value went up. He was notified by the city official that work had been done. These governmrnt crime syndicatates collude.
Well low and behold he determined the property value of our home did go up and our property taxes were raised 15%.
So I had the terrible experience of having a pipe burst and flood my home while I was out of town working. I rushed home from my out of state job at that time and found my home trashed. We had to rip out almost half of our home and it was a traumatic experience to see all of the time, effort and expense that we invested in our home be trashed in less than 24 hours. It's very depressing and extremely stressful going through this.
Then the government comes along and increases the time we had to deal with all of this stress and a total disruption of our lives by 6 weeks. Increases our cost by 20% and to top it all off, sicks the tax dogs on us which increased our tax burden by 15%.
I don't need their permission to repair my home. I don't need them to direct and inspect the contractors I hire. I'm a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than any inspector and I'm much more demanding of contractors by ensuring they do the job right than any inspector would be.
I have no choice in regards to what I can do to my home. I have to ask the governmrnt for it's permission, I have to pay it for it's permission, I have to tolerate whatever ordeal it chooses to put me through, I have indure unnecessarily prolonged stress, I have to pay people extra because of their involvement and then I have to pay extra taxes because I repaired and made improvements to my home.
What they put me through is minor compared to what I've seen government agencies do to other people. Government agencies have grown far too large and powerful. They seek to control and dictate to us at every turn. Hell they have even gone so far as to compell speech, by law.
In New York City you are required by law to participate in other people's delusions and go along with 31 different genders and address people by, I think it was 57, different pronouns. If you repeatedly don't want to play along with delusion and you refuse to address people by their particular gender of the day and their particular pronoun, you can be fined up to $250,000. So now government is demanding you speak in a certain way and will severely punish you if you don't.
Oh and by the way, this planet we live on is earth and on earth every species has 2 and only 2 genders. On planet Demoloon there are 31 genders. If you don't believe me, ask a government official.
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Although Mr Washington, was definitely not the supreme being,,, his quote rings true to this day,,, " Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master. "
We probably shouldn't be shocked that someone who calls people who want to cooperate together for a better world 'statist bootlickers' also makes quotes up to support his dumb bullshit.

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