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Old 10-28-2018, 07:05 PM #91
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Depends on the "all" that you are referring to. My "all" goes beyond the narrow self-interest of those who are looking to make money off of the black market.

And yes, I believe that a legal regulated market serves the interest of far more people than a free-for-all taking place under decriminalized conditions, without any regulations at all. The suggestion that LP weed (which is actually tested and highly regulated) is somehow "poisonous" while the weed on the black market (that is not tested or regulated) is somehow more organic and virtuous is such an incredible pile of shit, I don't know what you are smoking to believe it -- but it's still illegal - everywhere.

We are not going to agree on this, I expect. The nice part is, I don't have to have you agree with this point of view. It's happening anyway, even if you don't like it or happen to agree with it.

As for the LPs and their weed, I'll judge their product when it is grown under normal commercial conditions. To date, either in the medical market or in the current conditions, that has not happened yet. Give it a few years, then we'll have a better idea. It's flash dried, not cured, irradiated (which can harm some terps) and when you get it, it's very dry. The people who bought it were largely dankrupt and so didn't leave it with Boveda for 10-14 days to rehydrate. So quality wise, it's all a pretty crappy "out of jar" experience.

But any "out of jar" experience is a step up when your past experience was a hasty transaction with a dude in a car with baggies of weed. And that's still how most of it was sold here in Canada prior to October 17.

What we do know about it so far is that despite its inferior processing, people will buy it. A lot of it. At a very high price. The product on sale is likely to only get better; not worse.

I can smoke a doob on the street. I can meet up with fellow enthusiasts at a vape lounge and trade flower, rosin, hash, tincture, bath bombs, seeds, clones. And that's not a "theoretical freedom" -- that's something a dozen of us here in Toronto did locally, less than 24 hours ago.

And that sure as hell felt good. That's legalization. And I like it. I liked it a lot.
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Old 10-29-2018, 08:23 AM #92
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its not and either or proposition so not sure what you are going on about. it is what it is, but if decriminalized all that means is there is no one going to jail and no tickets unless actually causing harm and instead of upping budget as they have they would save that budget as was the intention for legalization. there still can be "regulated" cannabis even tho alot of esp tweed stuff tastes of plastic which has to come from something. Things slowly getting sorted with that so whatever.

Also no you legally cant vape in a vape lounge nor can u have hash or rosin.. just fyi its illegal unless in BC. also alot of places cant consume at all outside only inside ones residence thats it... if was decrim that would not be the case
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This sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
You are not in the know if you think you can smoke weed on the public streets and not get arrested.

Try smokin a doob while walking into a police station with some hash and a pack of seeds in your hand.
No worries right? You will not go to jail, after all it is legal right?
Report back when you finish the test.

Speaking of being not informed:
You must have missed the news where LP's were guilty of spraying poison on their weed.
So you think you are safe, but it is smoke and mirrors.
Do yourself a favor and get all the info before claiming how great things are.
You may see things differently.
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This sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
You are not in the know if you think you can smoke weed on the public streets and not get arrested.
I live in Ontario. It is absolutely 100% legal to smoke cannabis outside anywhere in Ontario, subject to not being within 20m of a playground, school or recreational athletic facility -- or any other prescribed place in the Regulation.

Cannabis consumption outdoors is governed by the Smoke Free Ontario Act, specifically section 12(2).

Seeing as I am an Ontario lawyer, I think I know the law of my province a lot better than you. I do it for a living and have for over 20 years+

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Try smokin a doob while walking into a police station with some hash and a pack of seeds in your hand.
No worries right? You will not go to jail, after all it is legal right?
Report back when you finish the test.
Could you BE any more misinformed? It's not illegal to manufacture or possess hash, rosin or other form of cannabis concentrate in Canada -- other than that made with organic solvents (BHO, shatter).

Even CO2 distillate is legal to possess and to consume or make yourself (assuming you could, that's expensive equipment) but it isn't legal yet to sell it under the Cannabis Act. That comes next year. Possession is legal (assuming they could not substantiate it was illicit).

As for getting arrested if I walked into a Police Station smoking, I'd get a ticket. Not because it is unlawful to smoke cannabis on the city street -- but because it is unlawful to do so inside a police station as it is an enclosed workspace under section 12(2) of the Smoke Free Ontario Act.

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You must have missed the news where LP's were guilty of spraying poison on their weed.
I am well aware that one out of 132 licensed LPs (Mettrum, since purchased by Canopy Growth) was fined for applying a banned fungicide (myclobutanil) to its indoor weed in an attempt to control powdery mildew in 2014. Mettrum hid myclo in the ceiling above the grow space so it wouldn't be found by inspectors. A former employee tipped off Health Canada about where it was hidden on site. There were fines and people were dismissed in the wake of the scandal.

There are currently 132 LPs. It was four years ago. Stop pretending this is a widespread problem. It isn't. It never was.

OTOH, Myclo is routinely used by black market growers as a fungicide. They shouldn't -- but they do. Hell, even one of the more reputable top-shelf MoMs in Canada has admitted to using banned fungicides, too.

But the LPs are regulated, tested, and all of the larger and mid-sized LPs are now publicly traded. It's simply not a widespread problem. It's a tin-foil hat issue that those who prefer a black market to dredge up time and again, as if it was a cross to ward off vampires.

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Buddy, I have probably forgotten more about the law of cannabis in Canada than you have ever known in your entire life.

I don't know just a little bit more about this than you do -- there is absolutely nobody else on ICM who knows more about the law of cannabis in Ontario than I do. Any part of that unclear to you?
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What are the retail price assumptions that are made when people fund new Large Commercial grows ?

In one thread, someone said that the government run dispensaries charge $10 to $13 a gram Canadian.

It seems like they are using past performance to predict future results.

Like the similarly worded warnings issued by stock brokerages etc., that's often un-wise.

Understood, not everybody is going go to a public place, where they can buy quality Cannabis for $100 an ounce, a little under $4 a gram.

If you have a corporate desk job, you can usually afford $10 a gram.


In general, it seems like the industry is skating to where the puck has been, instead of to, where it's going.

Also it seems the response of people who own the large grows is, "we'll just grow a fvck-load."

That just creates a race to the bottom, price wise.


Yesterday I was at the 'transfer station' (garbage dump), and there was this guy throwing out the obvious remains of a 2018 grow.

We talked a bit. He verified what I had observed - the prices had fallen out and growing was a lot less fun than he thought it would be.


Anyway, will keep watching. Packing up about 1/2 pound to gift to a neighbor, who was comparably generous last year and this year.

The 'trigger' for this kind of zero-cost transfer is sort of a Santa Claus thing - you give pot to everyone who was nice. If your rich acquaintances want some, they have to pay.
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I respect the perspectives and itís cool to see the freedoms in place for our northern neighbors. I do hope all laws continue to progress to allow anyone the chance to grow up to 200? plants if they please. It could be tested just the same if it is to be shared. It doesnít have to be one way or the other. I do think, in time, the big ops will be able to match any small scale master in quality and do it consistently. That matters not for I am an adult and I should be able to do it myself or get it from someone I trust, period. It certainly is progress and I think we all can agree that itís about time.
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