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Old 07-23-2018, 12:44 PM #71
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Only an LP will be able to sell the product to the public. No craft or home grows allowed. Considering the ongoing lawsuits about contaminated product by patients and the amount of recalls as well as a lack in quality products, it seems absurd that this model would prove successful.

Canada is creating a model for Cannabis sales on an international basis. Jamaica, Mexico and other delegates from the UN urged Canada to think clearly about the strictness of regulations due to the fact they will in return affect the lives of those in their countries.

Once again it needs to be stated STRICTLY CONTROL AND REGULATE is the goal of The Cannabis Act.
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Angry U.S. reportedly issuing lifetime travel bans for anyone remotely connected to Weed

U.S. reportedly issuing lifetime travel bans for anyone even remotely connected to Canada's legal cannabis industry
Canada's cannabis industry is quickly going corporate, but U.S. border agents are reportedly issuing travel bans to anyone involved, regardless of whether they're wearing a Grateful Dead T-shirt, a lab coat, or a suit




Imagine it's six months from now and you've developed a brilliant blend of fertilized soil that's proven especially beneficial to the growth of cannabis plants.
It's January 2019 and cannabis is fully legal in Canada. You've obtained every permit required to develop, market, and sell your invention. Everything is above board.

You know that marijuana remains very much illegal in the United States. It's a Schedule I drug, in fact, which classifies it alongside heroin and cocaine with a determination it has "no medical value" and therefore no legal application of any sort.

But you don't consume cannabis yourself. And neither you nor any of your company's employees actually touch a cannabis plant when conducting your daily business. You're not a pothead. You're an edaphologist. A scientist. You simply sell soil to companies who employ people who happen to grow marijuana.

So why would you worry you ever might have a problem at Canada's border with the United States?

Because U.S. authorities could consider that nutritious blend of dirt that you developed close enough to the cannabis industry that they ban you from travelling to the United States for the rest of your life.

That's the scenario described in a frightening report out this week (July 5) in Star Metro Vancouver.

"In addition to those who have used marijuana, Canadians who are involved with the cannabis economy have been labelled 'inadmissible because they are considered to be living off the profits of the drug trade," reads an article by Star Metro Vancouver staff reporter Perrin Grauer. "Once banned for life, they must seek legal waivers from an immigration lawyer—good for between one and five years—for the rest of their lives when they wish to cross the border."

Grauer's article recounts a recent trip that Jay Evans, CEO of Keirton Inc., tried to make to the United States with two colleagues. The group was heading to a meeting where they hoped to convince American counterparts to collaborate on a machine for cannabis production.

“We had not yet designed the product, we had not yet marketed the product, and we’d not yet sold the product,” Evans told Star Metro Vancouver.

Regardless, they'd caught the interest of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"During routine questioning, one of the three men mentioned their design would eventually be used in the Canadian cannabis industry, and they were immediately taken into the secondary inspection facility for further scrutiny," Star Metro Vancouver reports.

"Keirton is not involved with the production, distribution or sale of cannabis. But because its equipment is explicitly intended to be used by people who are, Evans and his colleagues were told after a six-hour interview they were 'drug traffickers' according to U.S. federal law," the article continues.

All three men were issues lifetime bans that forbid them from entering the United States of America.

But haven't a number of U.S. states legalized cannabis? Aren't there booming markets for the drug in the U.S. itself?

Yes, a number of states have legalized recreational cannabis and more than 30 have legalized medicinal cannabis.

But the production, distribution, and simple possession of cannabis—whether recreational or medicinal—remains completely illegal at the federal level of the U.S. government. And the United States' borders fall under federal jurisdiction. This means that for the foreseeable future, it sounds like any resident of Vancouver even remotely connected to Canada's totally legal cannabis industry is going to have something to worry about if they attempt to drive down to Seattle for a weekend.

How many Canadians could be affected?

In 2017, Statistics Canada estimated that nearly five million Canadians spent roughly $5.7 billion on cannabis.

A recent analysis by Bloomberg found that there are 84 public companies in Canada traded on stock exchanges that are related to cannabis. They're worth an estimated $48.64 billion.

According to a June 2018 report by Forbes, it's estimates that Canada will create 150,000 jobs when cannabis legalization takes effect on October 17, 2018.

Since most provinces and territories (including B.C.) have decided to sell recreational marijuana via stores and online outlets owned by provincial authorities, many Canadians at risk of U.S. travel bans will be employees of a provincial government.


Source: https://www.straight.com/cannabis/11...nected-canadas



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Only an LP will be able to sell the product to the public. No craft or home grows allowed. Considering the ongoing lawsuits about contaminated product by patients and the amount of recalls as well as a lack in quality products, it seems absurd that this model would prove successful.
This is misinformation. LPs are licensed federally to sell directly to medical patients under the ACMPR. Recreational is handled differently and is on a province by province basis.

Some LPs are expected to be licensed for sale of Rec weed in Alberta and Manitoba. Whether that will prove to be the case in Ontario is not yet known but is expected news next week. Put simply: Ontario is where the money is. At 14.4 million people, if Ontario was a US state? It would be the fifth largest (Only Cali, Texas, Florida and NY State are bigger than Ontario). So that's major dollars on the table and it is expected in this new plot-twist that all private industry will be able to own and operate retail pot (that they must buy from the Province of Ontario's LCBO division acting as sole distributor). I expect the LPs will be heavily investing in owning/operating retail stores. This is welcomed -- extremely welcomed -- news. The details on this new development are expected to be released on Tuesday, July 31, 2018.

The LPs have massive capital at their disposal. It's in the billions of dollars. They have been pouring it all in to get ready for recreational sales. Medical has always merely just been a smokescreen for the LPs so that they can gear up for recreational weed. The strains they will be able to offer for sale in October 2018 have expanded from those they were allowed to grow for medical use by literally about 1,000 times the strains previously permitted, so we have no idea what they will be selling in October. If you can buy a seed or a clone somewhere, anywhere in the world? It can be sold in Canada as rec weed on October 17, 2018. (Note: That was not the law under the ACMPR, which restricted the available strains for a number of ostensible reasons, all of which were requested by the LPs themselves as a form of IP protection for the strains they were attempting to exclusively license for rec purposes. Anyway - all of that cloak 'n dagger strain restriction stuff is gone now, as is all IP protection for strains developed prior to October 2018).

My guess though is that it will be pretty damned good weed for Agribusiness. Top shelf connoisseur weed? Not from the warehouse grows, no. But licensed micro growers ARE allowed to participate in the market. They can sell to an LP, who can in turn sell to a distributor (the provincial Government in every case in Canada, regardless of the province). So craft cannabis will come in via that route. I expected the top shelf weed there to be as good as any other AAAAA, though expensive as hell.

There were a couple of product recalls for mould contamination among the tens of thousands of lots that were tested by government labs over the course of medical cannabis sales. This is a recall rate that is miniscule. We typically see higher recall rates in the food and beverage sector than has been the case with medical cannabis. Math is sometimes hard -- but that's not an excuse to not actually do it and get it right. So you are just wrong about what you said about "massive recalls" -- and not just a little bit wrong, ok?

As for your comments that there is no home growing, that's just wrong. The Cannabis Act permits 4 plants per residential dwelling, inside or out. There is no plant height restriction and no restriction on the amount of weed you can harvest or keep at your home. None. ZERO weight restrictions.

Two provinces, Quebec and Manitoba, have purported to enact legislation that bans home growing. This legislation attempts to take away what the Federal government has given under the Cannabis Act's amendments to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA). Provincial acts which attempt to amend the CDSA are not constitutional and will be struck down when challenged as they offend the paramountcy rule of interpreting Canada's constitution. Unlike the United States, Canada has only one criminal law. Not 12, not 3, just one. And the only government which has jurisdiction over crime is the Federal government.

All that was decided in the late 19th century in relation to the prohibition of alcohol, by the way. The law surrounding it is 125 years old. Every lawyer in the land knows that legislation cannot survive a challenge. It's why the Prohibitionists unsuccessfully tried to amend the Cannabis Act in the Senate to permit the provinces to ban home growing. Without that amendment, everybody knew Quebec and Manitoba's legislation would be struck down. Trudeau stuck to his guns and the hostile amendment to the Cannabis Act was not permitted.

So those prohibitionist laws will be struck down by the courts on first contact. That has not happened yet as the laws are not yet in effect until October 2018. But they will be struck by the courts of Quebec and Manitoba, as surely as day follows night.

As far as being able to grow four plants, outside, without any height or weight restrictions? I don't about you -- but outside? That's somewhere between a shit ton and a fuck load of weed if you can manage to bring it in to harvest without mildew, mould, bud rot, or frost killing your harvest. I have no problems with a 4 plant personal limit. It's certainly not great for breeding, but for a personal grow of rec weed? It's fine. (Note: Plant limits for medical patients are calculated differently and are not governed by the Cannabis Act. Med patients can grow more than four).

As for possession limits outside the home? Walking around outside your home or in your car? You can carry 30 grams (a little more than an ounce). That's fine by me.

You can also give away your weed, 30 grams at a time. For those who grow outside and find themselves in November with way too much dried weed? My guess is that Xmas 2019 will be a record year for opening up ounces of weed under the tree, gifted by a friend or relative for Xmas.
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The Trudeau government was totally dismissive of arguments about social justice, health care and the rights of indigenous peoples. It is all about investor driven profits and crony capitalism. Not a very good model. The government wasted countless hours of time and attention on legalisation when a much simpler model of decriminalisation would have worked. The government never considered decriminalisation or not for profit cooperatives for recreational or medical users. Albert Einstein once said always choose the most elegant solution. Everything is looking horribly clumsy and there are going to be many people still winding up on the wrong side of the fence and getting prosecuted and facing criminal records. That defeats the intended benefits of legalisation. NASDAQ listed pot companies? Wall Street is full of people with bent moral compasses.
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