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Old 11-21-2012, 06:14 AM #1
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It's almost Turkey Day :)

We're not big into holidays, but we like to go all out and cook a big meal on Thanksgiving This year we're doing ham, scalloped taters, green bean casserole, pumpkin cheesecake n' banana cream pie *nom nom nom* I had turkey in mind, but was reminded by my grandmother that frozen turkeys can take up to 5-6 days to de-frost . . . I bought mine yesterday, with hopes of cooking it tomorrow lol Oh well! lol We'll cook it up this weekend when it's ready

What's on your menu this year? *Cheers*

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Turkey, dressing, gravy, bacon wrapped green beans, rice, corn, Waldorf salad, apple, cherry, and pumpkin pie. Know I'm forgetting something.
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We're not big into holidays, but we like to go all out and cook a big meal on Thanksgiving This year we're doing ham, scalloped taters, green bean casserole, pumpkin cheesecake n' banana cream pie *nom nom nom* I had turkey in mind, but was reminded by my grandmother that frozen turkeys can take up to 5-6 days to de-frost . . . I bought mine yesterday, with hopes of cooking it tomorrow lol Oh well! lol We'll cook it up this weekend when it's ready

What's on your menu this year? *Cheers*

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Put the turkey in cold water, and as soon as you can get your hands in there clean out the guts. That'll help it thaw faster.

We're heading down to SoCal this year. My husband and I are taking care of two desserts and the cheese course (the cheese course was expensive. Oh my goodness!)

The usual, turkey w/dressing, mashed potatoes and my gravy (it's wavy), sweet potatoes, veggies of some sort and variety, my mom's cream of wild rice and mushroom soup... wine, plenty of wine, and now I can't remember what else. I'm bringing my eggplant caponata.
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Truth uncovers lies, exploitation tied to Thanksgiving yesterday and today

(File Photo) Plymouth, Mass., police offi cers lead away a handcuffed American Indian protester arrested during a Thanksgiving protest in Plymouth. The American Indians say they never ceded the site of the fi rst Thanksgiving to the Pilgrims. Photo: AP Wide World Photos/Jim Rogash

(FinalCall.com) - Family gatherings around massive feasts, excessive shopping sprees, and expressions of gratitude are the traditional things associated with Thanksgiving but a dark history of atrocities and exploitation imposed on Native Americans and enslaved Africans still remains hidden, indigenous activists say.

The Thanksgiving myth perpetuated each year is that Pilgrims, Puritans and others came to America in search of religious freedom, but these settlers actually forced others to join their religion, observed Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of the Five Civilized Tribes Association.
“It is good for people to be thankful, meet with family and friends and worship God. But the Europeans’ society was not good for people of color and the reality historically is that when they came into power, they killed others and set up a society that enslaved people of color,” Mrs. Vann told The Final Call.

Every year the United American Indians of New England mark a National Day of Mourning. Participants fast from sundown the day before through the afternoon on Thanksgiving to mourn their ancestors, genocide committed against their people, and theft of their land. Artist's depiction of "The first Thanksgiving". The story history tells is that Pilgrims, Puritans and others came to America in search of religious freedom, but many say these settlers actually forced others to join their religion. Photo: MGNOnline/Courtesy Wiki CommonsIndigenous peoples must gain a true knowledge of themselves, then unite and correct those lies and myths that helped to make the “thanksgiving” lie acceptable
—–Student Minister Abel Muhammad, Latino representative of the Nation of Islam, who is of Mexican descent.

This year’s 43rd annual Day of Mourning, dedicated to political prisoner Leonard Peltier, is Nov. 22 in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The American Indian Movement leader is serving two life sentences for killing two FBI agents on the South Dakota Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. He was convicted in 1977. Mr. Peltier and his supporters have long maintained he is innocent and framed by the FBI.


American Indian Activist Leonard Peltier
“Given the history of the invaders as they came to this land for gold, for glory and in their idea for God ... they tried to stomp out anything that wasn’t White or that was connected to the earth that they couldn’t control. So they exterminated many of my people, then brought my African relatives so they can continue doing their bidding,” said Hector Perez Pacheco of the Aztlan Mexica Nation Harmony Keepers. It is a warrior society dedicated to protecting Native American sacred ceremonies.

Greed was the European’s motivation then and now but though their land may be occupied, Native peoples still maintain their sovereignty whether others recognize it or not, he declared.
“They have robbed from us more than the land, more than the minerals. But it’s the knowledge of self,” Mr. Pacheco said. “The main thing about so-called Thanksgiving is they’re robbing our identity. They’re robbing our identity from our African roots, from our European roots, from all those things, and they’re still telling everybody everything’s okay and it’s not okay.”
“It’s all about money. It was when they came and it still is about money, not to maintain and survive but to exploit and destroy the ability for others to survive,” Mr. Pacheco continued.
One solution is to return to history to build people’s consciousness, he said.
Even with broad access to the truth through historians and internet research, old attitudes and ideas about what really happened to Native Americans and the truth of Thanksgiving still prevail, said Nation of Islam Student Minister Abel Muhammad.
Misinformation and outright lies have plagued people’s thinking for centuries, but things must change now, he said.
“Even though we know of the atrocities committed against the indigenous people, too little is being done to educate, acknowledge, and most importantly, correct the attitudes and thinking that led to the celebration of the genocide of the indigenous,” Mr. Muhammad stated.
Indigenous peoples must gain a true knowledge of themselves, then unite and correct those lies and myths that helped to make the “thanksgiving” lie acceptable, said the Latino representative of the Nation of Islam, who is of Mexican descent.
“The false images of savage Indians must be countered by their natural brilliance because after all, it wasn’t savages who taught the White man how, when and what to plant for food to survive in the Western hemisphere,” he noted.
With this year’s 43rd commemoration of the National Day of Mourning, Mr. Muhammad will be grateful for his ancestors’ sacrifice, culture and tradition, particularly that of great American Indian activist Russell Means, who died on Oct. 22.
“As Brother Russell Means said, ‘Look around you. You already have nothing! You experience the worst poverty, the worst health, the worst environmental problems, the worst of everything, plus they have stolen your territory, your freedom, and your self-respect. Wake up!’ That’s what our people need, and perhaps our brother going to the ancestors can be a base for us to unite and the wake-up call we needed,” Mr. Muhammad said.
Native Americans should acknowledge their roots but not in some cheap way trivializes the real value of knowing their history as indigenous people, but a real knowledge of themselves, he said.
Having a day to give thanks is an ancient tradition in most cultures, not just for Native Americans, according to Mark Anquoe of the International Indian Treaty Council and American Indian Movement.
“Naturally, people feel the need to give thanks for what they have. At the same time, we should be most thankful that we still find the spiritual strength to continue the struggle for justice and for our people,” Mr. Anquoe said.
First Europeans were taking land for agriculture but now the notion of resources has changed to coal, uranium and oil, Mr. Anquoe noted. While those ancient struggles evolve or may look a little different, they never go away, he said.
“They’re still using African Americans as slave labor by pushing everyone into the prison industrial complex, which is a current form of slavery. So you still have the theft of land and use of slave labor,” Mr. Anquoe told The Final Call.
From Europeans enslavement and oppression of both Native Americans and Blacks, a sacred relationship formed and both groups must nurture it for a better future for their children, he said.
If not, the false legacy of long lines and mass spending on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving and official opening of the holiday shopping season, will prevail.
Credit card spending during this time of the year leads to massive debt as Black Friday spending hit a record $52 billion in 2011, according to a National Retail Federation survey.
The human costs of the Black Friday shopping frenzy have also grown.

Black Friday fights are becoming more common, and deadly.
A woman pepper sprayed customers, including children, at a Walmart in San Fernando Valley, Calif., to gain an advantage over electronic shoppers during Black Friday last year. A man was shot at a San Francisco Bay Area Walmart in an attempted robbery in 2011. In 2008, a Walmart employee in Long Island, N.Y., died after being trampled by a stampede of hurried shoppers, shortly after doors opened on Black Friday.

But questions loom about sales this year as Walmart workers have planned a Black Friday walk out. Workers are protesting company retaliation against those who speak out for improved conditions, including better pay, affordable health care and better working conditions, according to members of OUR Walmart (Organization United for Respect at Walmart.)
“This is a period of gratitude but also of financial binging. Black Friday comes along and corporations somehow convince people that they must shop at the mall, as if it’s the law,” said Dr. Boyce Watkins, a professor at Syracuse University, political analyst, and founder of the Your Black World Coalition.
Whether eating, drinking or spending too much, people use holidays to binge, he noted. Some view celebrating the holiday as a tradition and don’t mind it but others act in moderation, except where spending’s concerned, he said.
The corporate pressure means people spend money they don’t have to buy things they don’t need, ending up deeper in debt and regret, Dr. Watkins said.
“Americans are huge consumers. Black people are even huger consumers. Unfortunately, you don’t actually have to have it in order to go out and buy it. You’ll have people that will be deep in debt, behind in their bills, no money in their savings account, but still will be spending like a fool at the malls and that’s a common occurrence and it’s not just a Black thing. It’s a thing. It’s an American thing,” Dr. Watkins said.
Diamond companies have convinced people that spending two months’ salary on an engagement ring is the way to prove they love a woman. But there are other more creative ways than succumbing to the pure marketing genius of Black Friday, he insisted.
Retailers have manipulated customers so much that consumers are begging them to take their money, said the economist. But the sad part is, people aren’t going to stop, despite the high financial, personal and social costs, he said.
“But what you can do is you can encourage people around you to rise above it and reject that. You can’t control what everybody else does but you can control what you do,” Dr. Watkins said.
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brine and defrost turkey simultaneously. can be done in 18 hrs.
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Little late here maybe, but I seem to remember something about an hour per pound defrosting. I'm sure the Butterball website has that info, or they even have a toll free help number you could call I think. Happy feasting!
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