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Understanding Fibromyalgia..personal accounts and stories

DoobieDuck

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I found a couple members discussing Fibromyalgia in another thread and I’d like to start a new thread dedicated to this often mis-diagnosed terrible disease. I was diagnosed with Fybro in 1996 and have had to deal with the pain and various other symptoms all day and night since. All the prescriptions I have tried have done nothing for me. I tried a CPaP for sleep apnea, what they thought was causing my Fybro. This treatment had no, or very little effect on me.
My physicians, small town Doctors, have thrown up their arms, given up on me. Yet I’m still grasping for anything that will help me.

Wikipedia describes this as:
“ Fibromyalgia (new Latin, fibro-, fibrous tissues, Gk. myo-, muscle, Gk. algos-, pain, meaning muscle and connective tissue pain; also referred to as FM or FMS) is a medical disorder characterized by chronic widespread pain and allodynia, a heightened and painful response to pressure.[1] Fibromyalgia symptoms are not restricted to pain, leading to the use of the alternative term fibromyalgia syndrome for the condition. Other symptoms include debilitating fatigue, sleep disturbance, and joint stiffness. Some patients[2] may also report difficulty with swallowing,[3] bowel and bladder abnormalities,[4] numbness and tingling,[5] and cognitive dysfunction.[6] Fibromyalgia is frequently comorbid with psychiatric conditions such as depression and anxiety and stress-related disorders such as posttraumatic stress disorder.[7][8] Not all people with fibromyalgia experience all associated symptoms.[9] Fibromyalgia is estimated to affect 2–4% of the population,[7] with a female to male incidence ratio of approximately 9:1.[10]
Evidence from research conducted in the last three decades has revealed abnormalities within the central nervous system affecting brain regions that may be linked both to clinical symptoms and research phenomena.[8] These studies show a correlation, but not causation.[11] Some research suggests that alterations in the central nervous system might be the result of childhood stress, or prolonged or severe stress.[8]
Historically, fibromyalgia has been considered either a musculoskeletal disease or neuropsychiatric condition. Although there is as yet no cure for fibromyalgia, some treatments have been demonstrated by controlled clinical trials to be effective in reducing symptoms, including medications, behavioral interventions, patient education, and exercise.[12][13][14][15][16][17] The most recent approach of a diagnosis of fibromyalgia involves pain index and a measure of key symptoms and severity.[18]
Fibromyalgia is considered a controversial diagnosis, due to lacking scientific consensus to its cause.[19] Not all members of the medical community consider fibromyalgia a disease because of a lack of abnormalities on physical examination and the absence of objective diagnostic tests. “
[1-19]*Please refer to the link I provided for the sources of thier information.

I’d like to quote B Friendly and Headband 707 as they had some of the best comments describing this and its effects on them.

I have FIBRO and it's a weird one, it deals with a multitude of symptoms from Muscle, Joint, Tendon... pain, it's basically anything labelled "Soft Tissue".
Having said the above, Fibro is also neurological taking it's toll on your nervous system.
So a pill does not work, I have found exercise to be a myth or a very slow up hill battle in my 4 year experience, and only warm baths seem to have a healing effect along with accupuncture, message therapy, Even chiropractic has a small effect,
Anything to bring down swelling or inflammation.

Fibro is a bitch, you have good and bad days, oh don't forget if your body hurts your mind and spirit will be pulled down as well so it's a total mind, body, spirit disease in my opinion

Medicine is completely confused by fibro, I have seen the best medical tallent in Western Canada and they are just up in arms with what and how to do get better. All I have heard consistantly is that it requires little by little exercise, but that's a guess at best cuz if you exercise you are extremely tired the next day, especially enough exercise to make a meaningful difference is hard to do at best.

Whatever is in PURPLE KUSH is the best I have found

B I have to agree with almost everything you said and you certainly put it to words better than I could have or have ever seen. Fybro controls every minute of my life now. Hot tub for me is my only relief. Because of my neck and back surgeries exercise is very difficult for me.

LOL B-Friendly I too have it and I know all about the crap that goes with it. Because it's attacking your muscles making them fire and inturn that impede nervous system which in turn tells the brain it hurts. This is why any muscles/lack of sleep/ envirormental damage can start this cycle. As far as being able to stop this that means you need to go back to where it started and work that out. Pain killers will work but only to the extent that they are blocking the pain not dealing with it. So I should say that pain killers will work but not get rid of FM and then your just also hooked on pain killers which is another bad road to go down. If you have to do pain killers make sure it's not for FM and for" Disc pain "or other types of pain that Opiates will work on. I too love PK lol the real PK peace out Headband707

707 many thanks for your post..I have learned to live with Hydrocodone for mine. Was on Oxy for a time but managed to quit it. There are some new drugs on the market, one being Savella but I haven’t tried it. A up of cannabis tea helps me cope with this psychologically but pot does very little to help me with my pain.
I welcome any other personal accounts or stories with this disease. Sufferers comments more than welcome, remedies and prescription reviews gladly accepted. Thank you again Headband 707 and Bfriendly..best wishes and good luck to you both..DD
 
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headband 707

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Well I'm down for this one lol ...to date this is the only known treatment ,kinda

Well I'm down for this one lol ...to date this is the only known treatment ,kinda

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you have fibromyalgia you are ill. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]You are NOT crazy. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]"You may have been told that whatever you have is untreatable or that your symptoms are all in your head. People think you're a hypochondriac and doctors may not want to handle your case. Or you may have been overmedicated by well-intentioned health care providers who wanted desperately to help you. You may be having trouble getting refills for medications that make your life tolerable. You may be in danger of losing your job and your relationships. You may have fallen victim to those who are making billions of dollars a year off those desperately searching for something, anything, that will help..."[/FONT]

When we first put up this website many doctors didn't believe in fibromyalgia. As a result, patients faced a daunting journey at odds with their physicians, families, employers and insurance companies. But now that big pharmaceutical companies have discovered how lucrative chronic illnesses are, things have changed. Now everyone knows fibromyalgia is real because it's advertised on television and in magazines. Lyrica, Cymbalta, and Savella sound great until you read the small print or try one and it doesn't agree with you. Then you realize these "new"* potent drugs relieve some of your symptoms while altering the chemistry of your brain. Not to mention side effects such as weight gain, fatigue, hair loss, headaches and thinning of your bones... If you live in Europe these drugs may not even be available because their performance didn't outweigh their risks in studies.
*("new" is in quotes because none of these drugs are members of a new class, rather they are cousins of existing compounds which by an odd coincidence have recently gone generic)
What's lost in all this commotion is that none of these expensive compounds will actually treat fibromyalgia. They, and earlier medications like them, simply change the way your brain perceives your symptoms. Usually their side effects require other medications to counteract them. So here we are in 2009, and the accepted regimen for fibromyalgia is still a balancing act of polypharmacy while your illness continues to get worse and eventually requires stronger medications. To make a bad situation more dismal, many patients are disabled and simply cannot afford expensive medications, but the truth is that even in the best designed clinical trials their success rate was modest when compared,--not to other drugs--but to sugar pills.
Results are what count. There is hope. We use a simple medication with no side effects that can actually reverse your fibromyalgia. As time goes by, you'll need fewer drugs, not more. We have walked in your shoes. We have fibromyalgia too. Dr. St. Amand is in practice in Los Angeles, California, and is still accepting new patients.

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]We are not the latest miracle cure. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Treatment of fibromyalgia has become a multi-billion dollar industry and we have no objection to profit. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]We are often asked why the Fibromyalgia Treatment Center does not manufacture, distribute, or promote any particular brand of guaifenesin for the treatment of fibromyalgia. Simply, our mission is to educate -- based on fifty years of diligent, honest research. We will not risk compromising the integrity of our work with the perception of ulterior motivation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]In 2008 we published a paper showing that some abnormal findings in fibromyalgia were changed by patients taking guaifenesin. The link to that paper is on the upper right side of this site. Two more papers are currently being prepared. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]If, after thorough investigation you determine that implementing the guaifenesin protocol is appropriate for you, it is critically important that it be adhered to precisely. We are here to help. [/FONT]
 
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headband 707

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I can only tell you what seemed to work for me and hope that helps others.. I still have FM and if you poke me that really hurts but I'm out of my seriouly bad fog and the constant aching feeling. I'm also over my CFS as they seemed to go together after a few months. I won't go into how crazy things got for me but it's was out of control and the doctors told me I had this I actually didn't believe them. Anyways the things that I did personally was first I started to walk again slowly and then I increased that everyday till I could do exercises. Then I changed my diet and went for all fruit/veg, smoothies ect. Then I bought a colon/parasite cleanes /liver cleanes and drank 8 cups of water everyday not tap water either.I got rid of my shitty doctors as they can really bring you down with their lack of knowledge on most subjects lol.. I'm not going to say that this was easy because it wasn't. I have had all the so-called FM drugs Lyrica(terrible shit) I was told to stay away from as you just end up with weight gain. They gave me Dextromethorphan 100mgs for the CFS and that does work or atleast it did for me. Pretty expensive stuff as I recall $100.00 for 90 caps and not covered.
IMVHO FM is in the muscles and no matter what they come up with to try and fix this you need to start moving your body again as much as you can so you exercise them so they don't atrophy.If you let this FM take over your life it really will.. fight back lol.. I know how hard that is, but that is the only way your going to start on your road to recovery or atleast not so achy lol peace out Headband707

Some believe it's enlarged Lymph
there is another site called fibrofix I don't know anything about it I just saw it when I was on google..

This guy explains it well again he says nerves but you need to push the nerve so I say move your muscles and start blood flow.
The only crappy part about this video is when he starts to sell his product but the beginning when he explains this is well done..
http://njfibrotreatment.com/
 
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rives

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I had a girlfriend who had fm, and one of the few things that helped her (other than oxycodone to mask it) was yoga. The gentle, controlled stretching/exercise eventually gave her relief, but it was very difficult for her to get started as a result of the inertia from the disease. Nasty stuff.
 

DoobieDuck

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Headband many thanks for posting that..the link is very informative..many things I didn't know. I have all those symptoms and then some..ouch. I might hunker down and try that regiment, gotta be serious though. I also have Chronic Fatigue to go along with my other issues..I think it is part of my Fybro for sure thus they diagnosed as sleep apnea. No one knows wich is a cause or effect is the trouble.. Rives thanks for your input..I have been told more than once to start Yoga so I watched my wife this morning...I gotta get more serious if I want to get better. Back to the hot tub for now..thank you both..DD
 

headband 707

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This is the program they have here for ppl with FMS

This is the program they have here for ppl with FMS

I will just type out what they have on this brochure..


What is FMS?
FMS has many symptoms . The three most common symptoms are:

1.Wide Spread pain.(Pain in at least 11 out of 18 specified tender points sites)
2.Sleep Disturbance
3. Profound fatigue


How can FMS be treated?

1.Lifestyle Management

2.Medication

3.Exercise

Why is exercise an Important treatment for FMS?

With FMS, muscles have tears in them and they recieve Insufficient oxygen. Exercise is one way to of getting oxygen and more blood into the muscles. In addition to increasing seritonin to help improve sleep.

What kind of exercise should FMS patients do?

It's important to start exercise at a basic level and increase it gradually. If you do too much exercise you will get a lot of pain. A good program should include:

1. Cardiovascular exercise ( anything that gets the heart going- walking exercise classes)

2. Stretching exercise ( very important before ,during and after your workout)

3.Strengthing exercises

Research indicates that patients with FMS who exercise regularly can lead a relatively normal lives. As fitness level improves symptoms such as Post -external pain stiffness & muscle weakness often decrease. A successful FMS participant may also experience increased self-esteem & confidence.

:tiphat: peace out Headband707
 

Tripsick

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I was getting IVIG treatments and have now ended up with a migraine that has lasted since May 9th... now they want to try Propofal to reboot my brain.. amazing where you end up when trying to get better.
 

crazybear

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I was getting IVIG treatments and have now ended up with a migraine that has lasted since May 9th... now they want to try Propofal to reboot my brain.. amazing where you end up when trying to get better.

I have no idea what propofal is but I would google it & see WTF before I let any DR. do something to me! I wish I wouldn't of let them do nerve burns on me!!!!!!!!:wave::plant grow::smoweed:
 

cr0n

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A lot of great information everyone.

Doobieduck great idea for a thread

My wife has FM and she has been struggling with it for almost 3 years. The onset almost seemed to coincide with the conception of our 1st child. She has gone to countless specialist and taken I don't even know how many types of drugs, every single medication that has been mentioned here. The specialists seem to give her very general diagnosis's. A pain specialist and a Neurologist just diagnosed her with a "pain condition". She also has very bad migraine headaches 3 or more times a week and often this causes her to vomit. She is also very tender everywhere and has a lot of trouble with sleeping. It is a terrible disease and I HATE to hear people say it is not real. Just a few days ago someone called it the "lazy woman disease". My wife want to harm that person very badly, if they only knew the whole story. But, those type of people aren't worth the trouble. My wife does find that keeping active is very helpful, but definitely not a cure. Yoga and walking are her weapons of choice.

I feel a bit helpless in the situation. I wish I could do something to help her. I have been on a search for good strains to ease her discomfort. Good luck to all in your FM fight.

Cron
 

Tripsick

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I had the RF burn done as well and regret it every day.

The propofal stuff is what killed Micheal Jackson... or more of the straw that broke the camels back.
 

headband 707

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A lot of great information everyone.

Doobieduck great idea for a thread

My wife has FM and she has been struggling with it for almost 3 years. The onset almost seemed to coincide with the conception of our 1st child. She has gone to countless specialist and taken I don't even know how many types of drugs, every single medication that has been mentioned here. The specialists seem to give her very general diagnosis's. A pain specialist and a Neurologist just diagnosed her with a "pain condition". She also has very bad migraine headaches 3 or more times a week and often this causes her to vomit. She is also very tender everywhere and has a lot of trouble with sleeping. It is a terrible disease and I HATE to hear people say it is not real. Just a few days ago someone called it the "lazy woman disease". My wife want to harm that person very badly, if they only knew the whole story. But, those type of people aren't worth the trouble. My wife does find that keeping active is very helpful, but definitely not a cure. Yoga and walking are her weapons of choice.

I feel a bit helpless in the situation. I wish I could do something to help her. I have been on a search for good strains to ease her discomfort. Good luck to all in your FM fight.

Cron

Well bro I really feel for your wife and I know exactly what she feels unfortunately... First I would suggest that perhaps your girlfriend could eat cannabis that will knock her out which is a step in the right direction and as far as the exercise that is all individual aswell .. Some ppl like to swim and they start there but no matter what you have to move or it will just get worse. The Dextromethorphen is the ingredients in cough medicine and also what they are looking for in Guafenesin and it doesn't always work .. If I find any other info I will post it peace out Headband707
 
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B. Friendly

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fibro from my experience does not seem to have an answer, I am about 4 years in now and to tell the truth I have seen a drop in physical ability consistantly over the years. I'll be really interested to re do my occupational specialists tests again, to see if my cardio has gone up or down.

My quality of life is terrible to say the least. Because I am tired so easily leaving my house seems like a chore. The only up side is growing, but that's not the same.

I would recommend if you're early on and still active and able to keep your exercise up, if you let it slip a little it will not only catch up on you but potentially slowly suck the life out of you.

I am 6'3, 220lbs, former captain of my football team... and I still look able, it's not like your appearance shows fibro, nobody can tell you have it. So I have to feel like I was not taken seriously at first. Even my rhumatologist who said 4 years ago that I fit all the criteria would not give me the diagnosis. Mainly cuz I was in my mid 20's, looked strong, my muscle tone is still there.

Men have a bitch of a time with this disease cuz it's socially accepted that if men are in pain they just get over it. On the other hand women who bitch about everything are taken seriously about their akes and pains. This burns me big time!!!

Lastly it's a life long disease, you may conquer it for a while but go a couple weeks without exercise and you start over again

it's ridiculous that you're told to exercise to beat this monster but you cannot exercise long enough to make a meaningful differerence in your physical shape. so wtf you gonna do???????
 

headband 707

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This is the bug problem with FMS .. right here..

This is the bug problem with FMS .. right here..

fibro from my experience does not seem to have an answer, I am about 4 years in now and to tell the truth I have seen a drop in physical ability consistantly over the years. I'll be really interested to re do my occupational specialists tests again, to see if my cardio has gone up or down.

My quality of life is terrible to say the least. Because I am tired so easily leaving my house seems like a chore. The only up side is growing, but that's not the same.

I would recommend if you're early on and still active and able to keep your exercise up, if you let it slip a little it will not only catch up on you but potentially slowly suck the life out of you.

I am 6'3, 220lbs, former captain of my football team... and I still look able, it's not like your appearance shows fibro, nobody can tell you have it. So I have to feel like I was not taken seriously at first. Even my rhumatologist who said 4 years ago that I fit all the criteria would not give me the diagnosis. Mainly cuz I was in my mid 20's, looked strong, my muscle tone is still there.

Men have a bitch of a time with this disease cuz it's socially accepted that if men are in pain they just get over it. On the other hand women who bitch about everything are taken seriously about their akes and pains. This burns me big time!!!

Lastly it's a life long disease, you may conquer it for a while but go a couple weeks without exercise and you start over again

it's ridiculous that you're told to exercise to beat this monster but you cannot exercise long enough to make a meaningful differerence in your physical shape. so wtf you gonna do???????

This is really the catch 22 with FMS is you ache all over and it's very hard to even get up let alone get up and go lol.. believe me when I say I know this scenario well. Nonetheless if you can do whatever you can to move even if that starts with moving in your chair start there if you have to but put 1/2 hour a day to move and don't stop till you feel better. "Blaze your own trails and make your own rules.".. KMK.. lol.... When the blood starts to flow through your body the way it's suppose to your going to start feeling better just give it time and don't expect too much too soon as that isn't how it works either.
In as much as you possible can think positive and take it one day at a time ..
It's important not to let FMS win ... peace out Headband707:tiphat:
 

B. Friendly

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two fibro patients cannot do the same amount of exercise. You may get a borderline fibro and a severe fibro.
All I know is that I am currently trying to do 10minutes a day of walking and that is extremely difficult.
Once I do the 3rd day in a row I am hard pressed to make the 4th...

It's been about 4 monhts and all i have build up to is being able to do daily chores, exercise is not getting any easier.

I have noticed a drop in ability consistantly over the past 4 years. What I could do last year is more difficult this year. Even tho I stay active...

Makes no sense at all. I have come to believe is that before fibro gets better physically, you need to first mentally/emotionally heal.

With a stupid insurance claim causing hardship it's difficult to relax upstairs.
 

headband 707

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two fibro patients cannot do the same amount of exercise. You may get a borderline fibro and a severe fibro.
All I know is that I am currently trying to do 10minutes a day of walking and that is extremely difficult.
Once I do the 3rd day in a row I am hard pressed to make the 4th...

It's been about 4 monhts and all i have build up to is being able to do daily chores, exercise is not getting any easier.

I have noticed a drop in ability consistantly over the past 4 years. What I could do last year is more difficult this year. Even tho I stay active...

Makes no sense at all. I have come to believe is that before fibro gets better physically, you need to first mentally/emotionally heal.

With a stupid insurance claim causing hardship it's difficult to relax upstairs.


Yes Yes YES lol you do need to heal mentally BUT this whole exercising is all apart of that. You need to get your blood flowing and you need to stop being so upset about your predicament and move on. If not you will get caught up in the "woe is me "senario and that gets you nowhere fast. Trust me when I say doctors don't give two shits about FM . IMVHO most doctors think it's bullshit . Not that I give a shit but I have found the FMS means nothing to doctors.
Even when you walk for 10 minutes a day ..this is better then not walking at all. Just keep trying to improve your last walk and move slowly but move.. Peace out Headband707

bro I have 18 out of 18 points in my body that hurt like hell LOL LOL.. So I don't know how severe you want it but I'm assuming 18 is the number for total fucked up ness lol..
 

B. Friendly

"IBIUBU" Sayeith the Dude
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ok so I am singing a little different tune.

I have been working hard on exercise since the past summer

now it's been about half a year and i can say that my walks are almost daily, from 2-3 days a week

i have to say it's a little by little disease.

start by getting ride of your remote control and change channels manually, ie anything to get off your ass

so I am sure if I keep it up, by a year from now I will be much better than I imagined.
 

Tokin_Jo

Member
I have had fibro for 5 years now, but before my diagnosis I suffered from several other things, including a rare bladder disease called interstitial cystitis. I had 4 surgeries in one year, including a hysterectomy. I suffered for 5 years, like most of you taking several different kinds of medication. I was hospitalized once for side effects from meds. I tried everything all the doctors were telling me to do. I literally spent 95% of my time in bed and the rest in the bathroom. Finally after getting fed up with all the crazy meds and stupid side effects my husband convinced me to try marijuana, I had never smoked before and therefore was very nervous to try it. He showed me all the research and so at 36 I tried it for the first time in a vaporizer. Low and behold it was the only thing that worked. Now I am only in bed at night. My quality of life was greatly improved and everyday I thank him for pushing me in the direction that most doctors would not even mention. Now I have my medical marijuana card and I grow for myself. Life definitely got better after I was introduced to this miracle med. I recommend marijuana to all women who have fibro. All my life I was against anything that was not prescribed or recommend by my doctor. Boy was I wrong. The more I studied and the more I learned I realized that most of the meds were doing more harm than good. I like most am prescribed narcotics for pain. I would much rather have the side effects of marijuana than any of those and thanks to the wonderful herb I was able to give up most of my meds.
 
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HenriettaHippo

Visit #1 to a doctor up here raised the potential diagnosis of fibro based on the description of my symptoms. For the past several months they have been working backwards through my body to see if there are any underlying causes. Several specialists, a variety of tests, an ever growing list of tried and failed pharmaceuticals along with whatever they discovered wrong with me along the way has all brought me back to the original diagnosis of fibro.

Never ever in a million years would I have believed such a monster could exist within a human body.:dunno:
 

headband 707

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I have had fibro for 5 years now, but before my diagnosis I suffered from several other things, including a rare bladder disease called interstitial cystitis. I had 4 surgeries in one year, including a hysterectomy. I suffered for 5 years, like most of you taking several different kinds of medication. I was hospitalized once for side effects from meds. I tried everything all the doctors were telling me to do. I literally spent 95% of my time in bed and the rest in the bathroom. Finally after getting fed up with all the crazy meds and stupid side effects my husband convinced me to try marijuana, I had never smoked before and therefore was very nervous to try it. He showed me all the research and so at 36 I tried it for the first time in a vaporizer. Low and behold it was the only thing that worked. Now I am only in bed at night. My quality of life was greatly improved and everyday I thank him for pushing me in the direction that most doctors would not even mention. Now I have my medical marijuana card and I grow for myself. Life definitely got better after I was introduced to this miracle med. I recommend marijuana to all women who have fibro. All my life I was against anything that was not prescribed or recommend by my doctor. Boy was I wrong. The more I studied and the more I learned I realized that most of the meds were doing more harm than good. I like most am prescribed narcotics for pain. I would much rather have the side effects of marijuana than any of those and thanks to the wonderful herb I was able to give up most of my meds.

Glad to hear it's workin out for you.. You would be shocked at how many times I have heard that exact same story.. Sad it's illegal for just these reasons. Unfortunately everyone who joins the FM club has to change their life forever..cannabis is just one of the bonuses lol peace out Headband707:dance013:
 

headband 707

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Visit #1 to a doctor up here raised the potential diagnosis of fibro based on the description of my symptoms. For the past several months they have been working backwards through my body to see if there are any underlying causes. Several specialists, a variety of tests, an ever growing list of tried and failed pharmaceuticals along with whatever they discovered wrong with me along the way has all brought me back to the original diagnosis of fibro.

Never ever in a million years would I have believed such a monster could exist within a human body.:dunno:

You and me both bro.. There is much speculations on what are the underline causes of FM and as far as I know there is no diffinative proof . From candida to Post traumatic stress so that's quite a swing.. Only real proper diagnosis comes from a Rheumatoligist with the 18 points so make sure you get that one done.Dr's are great at dismissing what they know nothing about and that would be FM peace out Headband707:)
 
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