Register ICMag Forum Menu Features Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
You are viewing our:
in:
Forums > Talk About It! > Toker's Den > Speakers Corner > Are the national Trade Associations even capable?

Thread Title Search
Post Reply
Are the national Trade Associations even capable? Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-25-2019, 12:52 AM #1
SIG
Member

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Merced Co.
Posts: 60
SIG will become famous soon enoughSIG will become famous soon enough
Are the national Trade Associations even capable?

A leader of a national org (good person) told me in response to my risk assessment and warning that he understood but money is budgeted early in the year towards targeted goals (usually legal milestones) that big donors wanted reached. He said funds are always tight.

To paraphrase there is no motivation, mandate, money or manpower to mitigate even current crisis let alone manage future unrealized risks.

What is the forums opinion. I've been trying to to show people pulling the strings that this "new" technology needs some significant prep work hashed out or it could harm us so much the government bans it outright and probably concentrates too.

Is the NCIA the same way? Most likely. But are they capable of stewarding this revolutionary technology to the people. This is so frustrating because if not they are going to expend a lot more money struggling to keep what we have now. We will be tied up in court on the defense fighting from our left foot instead of from position of strength.

Sun Tzu where are you!? Throw a dart you'll hit something that relates.
SIG is offline Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 01:18 AM #2
SIG
Member

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Merced Co.
Posts: 60
SIG will become famous soon enoughSIG will become famous soon enough
I could have just hired a lawyer to write a contract between myself and a selected multi national manufacturer of the equipment to identify a huge untapped market for a little wetting of my beak based on some sales figure if they act on my trade secret.

But I'm kinda weird. I believe I've got this so far fully developed bit by bit because during the long journey which started out completely capitalist pig I only want to make money and the projects potential reflected the small minded narrow vision. I could have made a lot of money in the little pond. Sat at a trade show long enough for better funded and positioned people to take it all.

Before I started this a decade ago I didn't believe in anything super natural. I won't get all religious and just say I do love Truth and I follow Truth wherever it leads me. I believe Truth is alive and I've been picking up what was put in front of me. Why else would I see it before everyone else. But I realized early managing the risk provided a monopoly on an accessory.

The more I put the people first into the engineering of the systems the profit potential went through the roof. Its like Truth or if you believe in god dont give a shit about money put the people first and they drown you in it.

That's all I'm gonna say about that.

If you long the industry and movement, have some solid pull at the nCIA and have a significant stake in the industry and also put the people first you should consider having a look at my collection and compilation of Truth and Beauty. Truth is outside time it just is. Some might call it the future which I think is really nuts I've been there, where your all going for ten years.

I'm not the crazy guy that thinks I'm from the future its all you guys dont realize your stuck in the past! haha!

46 posts. almost there then.. poof ...I'll be gone like Keyser Söze...!
SIG is offline Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 02:15 AM #3
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training

Douglas.Curtis's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Back in Colorado! Yaay!
Posts: 4,430
Douglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond repute
When I distill what you write I end up with a sum of zero. Are you capable of plain English communication or is obfuscation part of your funnel? Seriously.
Douglas.Curtis is offline Quote


1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-25-2019, 02:26 AM #4
White Beard
Senior Member

White Beard's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Grover’s Mill, NJ
Posts: 1,715
White Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivor
No ideas what NCIA means to you...and really, you’ve said so little about your whatever-thing that it defies analysis and assessment. In consequence, useful advice is impossible.

Oh, and if you’re going to hire the lawyer to write up a contract with the manufacturer of your choice (?), you’d better have a second lawyer write up an ironclad NDA between you and the first lawyer.... you’re safe at the moment, though, because the people you’re talking to have no fucking idea what you’re on about - or why.

Awaiting further communication....
__________________
The FUTURE: *LIVE* it - or live *with* it...it’s just starting...NOW
——————
Don’t vote for rich people - they’re not going to vote for YOU...
——————
“You never see the lies that *YOU* believe, but you know you have been captured,
Still you feel so civilized - and you look so pretty in your new lace sleeves...”

——————
Letting my freak flag fly!
White Beard is offline Quote


1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-25-2019, 02:05 PM #5
I'mback
Member

I'mback's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 476
I'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Beard View Post
No ideas what NCIA means to you...and really, you’ve said so little about your whatever-thing that it defies analysis and assessment. In consequence, useful advice is impossible.

Oh, and if you’re going to hire the lawyer to write up a contract with the manufacturer of your choice (?), you’d better have a second lawyer write up an ironclad NDA between you and the first lawyer.... you’re safe at the moment, though, because the people you’re talking to have no fucking idea what you’re on about - or why.

Awaiting further communication....
Glad I'm not the only one who saw a 747 fly by :(
__________________
Comfortably numb...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,

but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”


May the fleas of a thousand camels infest
the crotch of the person who screws up your day and,
may their arms be too short to scratch...

I'mback is online now Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 02:26 PM #6
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training

Douglas.Curtis's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Back in Colorado! Yaay!
Posts: 4,430
Douglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeDouglas.Curtis has a reputation beyond repute
In short, when you go to a diner to eat you need to communicate properly with your waitress. She has a lot to do and is not going to stand there while you take an hour to get to the point.

Do you need a specific type of help? Ask for it. Ask for it as plainly and as detailed as you should when ordering your meal. My apologies if you're already doing so. White Beard's point about the NDA is extremely valid.
Douglas.Curtis is offline Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 05:06 PM #7
SIG
Member

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Merced Co.
Posts: 60
SIG will become famous soon enoughSIG will become famous soon enough
I already explained this but I must have said it wrong so I'll try again..and add stuff written normally you can understand better than my gobblie gook.

“...many disorders of the brain or mind bring with them strengths as well as weaknesses. People with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) for example appear to have strengths working with systems and are better than control subjects at noticing tiny details in complex systems.” Frontiers in Neural Science.

Because of a genetic neurodivergent condition I process information "atypically", "abnormally" "not normal" "weird"it makes doing normal things difficult, like using commas in precisely the place, they are supposed to be, so people don't flat refuse to read what you write, no matter how important it is to the survival of what they love. If your warning them their house is on fire, you damn sure better, include every god damn comma, or piss off. Since you told me that in one of my first posts, I have been putting so many fucking commas, I'm waiting to get called stupid for that.

But because of growing up with the "disorder"as you must call it and also growing upin a industrial process equipment salvage and scrap yard I know every fking industrial proess in use and I know which ones cannabis doesn't use.One of those you don't use you are gonna feel stupid when you learn you should have like everything else fifty years ago. My claim is its going to change the way you specifically Mr Douglas think about cannabis. Say anything you want I have the advantage today. Your way out of this ball park but I would never call you stupid or imply it. I'll say straight out your ignorant. its better than stupid. Damn I got all worked up and forgot the commas so you'll miss all that anyway.

Ya I'm sitting on the most significant technological advancement for cannabis to date. The equipment exists on the shelves everywhere and every manufacturer on Earth is going to HAVE to aquire it if they want to stay viable. I've been offering to personally prove that today I can produce every product your aware of only better, faster and cheaper with more variety and whole new categories you haven't even considered.I dont all it the future because I've been doing it in secret for ten years. I do call where you are, what your mind thinks the past. Obsolete. Retro, the species my products replace because consumers naturally select them. But you don't hear me though because I dont use commas. Its why I predict the collapse of this industry. Too much hubris not enough humis you invite Nemesis for dinner.

‘ The sad truth for many neurodivergent individuals is that within communication . due to their executive processing challenges..can be prone to problematic processing and communication. This often leaves them having questionable authenticity in the eyes of others and at times even how they view themselves.” Psychology Today.

“Neurodiversity is about accepting differences and then learning to work together” AMA Journal of Ethics.

And whats with the Autistic diplomat is that supposed to be funny? You got some jag with neurodivergent people? It can't be serious and if so you need to seriously get a mirror. You've nitpicked my commas poked and teased like the kids at school.

And the way I communicate with waitresses we aint standing she does have a lot to do and it takes me way longer than an hour to get to the point.

" it has been a disastrous half, his work has been less than satisfactory. His prepared stuff has been badly learn,and several of his test pieces have been torn over; one of such pieces of prepared work scored two marks out of a possible 50. His other work has been equally bad, and several times he has been in trouble, because he will not listen, but will insist on doing his work in his own way. I believe he has ideas about becoming a Scientist; on his present showing this is quite ridiculous, if he can't learn simple Biological facts he would have no chance of doing the work of a Specialist and it would be shear waste of time, both on his part, and those that have to teach him."
School report for Nobel prize winner Dr John Gurdon from his days studying Biology at Eton College in 1949

While it might be less than complimentary, noting that for him to study science at University would be a "sheer waste of time", Sir John said it is the only item he has ever framed.

I noticed that teacher used all kids of commas and even those fancy ones with a period on top.

Sir John is the neurodivergent poster child.

About the NDA I was trying to communicate the point I DONT want to contract anything. I was trying to say that is the greedy way that will get a lot of people killed. I'm trying to prevent an "overnight" (I know thats after today, kinda the future but its kind of like decorating before Christmas. You KNOW something is going to happen and you prepare for it ahead of time)

It really is anoying to play these little baby talk back and forth insults at each other it wasn't clear? Did I really fk it up so nad that didnt come through? Its frustrating and ill own the blame that in all that I get corrected and advised on something I tried to say I decided not to do.

Id asked the question. Is The NCIA....and I gotta explain who I think the NCIA is "to me"?
capable of doing the needed preliminary work required to steward this technology to the people.

Because thats another thing I can show with my hands better than say with my mouth. There is a simple DIY method to mimick the technology. I am asking for an audience with someone who could negotiate for our industry with the equipment industry BEFORE you all find out how bad you want products produced with it.

The demo is using not the expensiveindustrial equipment I started with but with the most irect simple shortcut my dumbass brain saw the connection in something designed for a totally different purpose. I have a knack for noticing stupid shit like that.

All someone needs to do is watch me and think hmmm? Would anybody else want to do what hes doing. God I feel like I'm losing my voice...well don't trust me and have me say yes they would Id rather show the right person. My claim of fact is he will instantly agree yes. It is super simple, self evident stuff. Why I didn't want the lawyer is I've come to the conclusion I have this before anybody because little by little Truth put clues in my path. And putting the safety of the people first early on lead to engineering the systems connected like your cannabis system with the people first. I think I have all this because its how its supposed to bein harmony and balance with the unseen systems at work under the radar behind our eyes and everywhere.

For this system to connect and not collide with our system and crash the cannabis into the regulatory system and burn up the social systems in our neighborhoods then it damn sure needs a path prepared. Experts above my pay needs to determine best practices and principles for the cannabis application of the equipment, standards determined and fixed they gotta write the handbook and decide on a few standardized equipment designs and a bunch of other shit get it?

I gave up trying to make my fortune a while back even though this is worth one. I couldn't be greedy and let this self introduce. You want me to tell ya? You could run out and start selling it for a manufacturer you'd make bank. And it would end up getting people killed. Because either the DIY version will be how everyone learns of this and then goes to buy real equipment or vice versa . The DIY version is so dangerous you can not go forward with manufactured proper equipment until the DIY version is no longer viable.

And es granted I have to be a little vague about exactly what it is but I offer pictures emailed and an easy explanation of my products produced this way will soon account for up to 80% of all sales in the cannabis market. Again I can show them faster than debating me why its impossible. Its not only possible its simple to prove. Self evident.

You guys I apologize for getting mad and lashing out. Your frustration over my writing IS justified and it fruatrates me too. Like now I know Ive drifted and ran on but when I start editing I write over and over it literally is all I do the result of it is those renaissance and emerald enlightenment it goes all extra fruity pebbles. It gets more and more off the reservation. So again I am sorry.

You should block my posts.
SIG is offline Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 05:33 PM #8
I'mback
Member

I'mback's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 476
I'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to behold
That was more like a Space Shuttle. PM me when you have acquired the necessary permissions!
__________________
Comfortably numb...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,

but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”


May the fleas of a thousand camels infest
the crotch of the person who screws up your day and,
may their arms be too short to scratch...

I'mback is online now Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 07:53 PM #9
White Beard
Senior Member

White Beard's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Grover’s Mill, NJ
Posts: 1,715
White Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivorWhite Beard is a survivor
I don’t think your writing style is the problem, honestly, though I understand your frustration.

What I glean so far is that you noticed something having to do with cannabis and equipment and processes but you haven’t said *anything* ABOUT it, so I don’t know if you’re talking about naval intelligence, crop insurance, the TV show, or the cannabis industry.

I get that you want to find experts, professionals, who will do right by your idea/discovery, and that you’re asking for help; this makes things frustrating on THIS end because the only help I can offer is as vague as your descriptions.

Perhaps you could answer one or some of these questions: is this about changing cannabis, changing cannabis use, changing cannabis effects, or some application of cannabis that will fundamentally change the game as we know it?

Will it make cannabis more potent, more targeted, more useful, more acceptable?

Does the process, or the results of the process, or the equipment, impact the earnings of the cannabis industry as we see it forming around us?

Will it make cannabis more profitable, less easy to control, more predictable?

Is it user-facing or industry-facing?

What result are you hoping will come from the “right hook-up”?

Is it bigger than a bread box?

Please understand that I’m trying to understand, not play games with you.
__________________
The FUTURE: *LIVE* it - or live *with* it...it’s just starting...NOW
——————
Don’t vote for rich people - they’re not going to vote for YOU...
——————
“You never see the lies that *YOU* believe, but you know you have been captured,
Still you feel so civilized - and you look so pretty in your new lace sleeves...”

——————
Letting my freak flag fly!
White Beard is offline Quote


Old 06-25-2019, 08:05 PM #10
I'mback
Member

I'mback's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 476
I'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to beholdI'mback is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Beard View Post
I don’t think your writing style is the problem, honestly, though I understand your frustration.

What I glean so far is that you noticed something having to do with cannabis and equipment and processes but you haven’t said *anything* ABOUT it, so I don’t know if you’re talking about naval intelligence, crop insurance, the TV show, or the cannabis industry.

I get that you want to find experts, professionals, who will do right by your idea/discovery, and that you’re asking for help; this makes things frustrating on THIS end because the only help I can offer is as vague as your descriptions.

Perhaps you could answer one or some of these questions: is this about changing cannabis, changing cannabis use, changing cannabis effects, or some application of cannabis that will fundamentally change the game as we know it?

Will it make cannabis more potent, more targeted, more useful, more acceptable?

Does the process, or the results of the process, or the equipment, impact the earnings of the cannabis industry as we see it forming around us?

Will it make cannabis more profitable, less easy to control, more predictable?

Is it user-facing or industry-facing?

What result are you hoping will come from the “right hook-up”?

Is it bigger than a bread box?

Please understand that I’m trying to understand, not play games with you.
It will be interesting to see what transpires now! I don't think by the little I got he wants to talk to the common folk. In that case, he is in the wrong place!
__________________
Comfortably numb...

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,

but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”


May the fleas of a thousand camels infest
the crotch of the person who screws up your day and,
may their arms be too short to scratch...

I'mback is online now Quote


Post Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:50 AM.




This site is for educational and entertainment purposes only.
You must be of legal age to view ICmag and participate here.
All postings are the responsibility of their authors.
Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.