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Scared of getting COPD or Cancer from MJ - Will edibles or pills have lon

The Hatter

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Since just about nobody has actually answered the question you have asked and the thread has instead turned into a debate over whether smoking cannabis is bad for you lungs or not I guess I will chime in with my 2 cents.

To start with, your worries about smoking cannabis negatively effecting the health of your lungs is well warranted. Smoking anything is bad for your lungs. Smoke is essentially composed of countless tiny particles of combusted material. It's never wise to inhale particulates if you can avoid doing so particularly given your history of asthma. Although studies have not been able to correlate lung cancer with cannabis smoking, which is actually a very interesting subject in an of itself, there is ample evidence pointing to heavy, chronic cannabis smoking causing other lung problems such as COPD. The fact that smoking cannabis does not appear to lead to cancer is so counter intuitive that it should be further investigated. It does perhaps suggest that cannabis really does have cancer preventing or fighting properties given that smoking just about anything should theory raise your risk of cancer.

Anyway, enough on that subject. You asked about the effects that edible cannabis could have on your "internal organs." Cannabis appears to have very little toxicity with long term use on any of your body's major organs. Countless government and lobbyist backed studies have been done desperately trying to link cannabis to any sort of real long term negative health consequences and despite this intense scrutiny they really haven't been able to find much. Seriously, aspirin and other NSAIDs like ibuprofen has been proven to be more dangerous by a considerable margin, killing approximately 15,000 people a year in this country usually from gastrointestinal hemorrhaging. It is ridiculously safe as far as its therapeutic window goes. You can literally take a thousand times the threshold dose and it won't kill you which is almost unheard of with just about any other drug or even food and drink for that matter. A thousand glasses of water would kill you for instance as would a thousand doses of just about any other medication you can think of.

Assuming you don't smoke it, the only organ that cannabis seems to have any sort of long term effects on is the brain and even those purported effects are often contradicted from study to study. All in all there is enough evidence to suggest that long term cannabis use probably isn't great for your memory and may have some negative effects on things like motivation but these effects happen independent of the method of ingestion. In other words if cannabis really does mess with your memory after long term use then it's going to do so regardless of whether you ate or smoked it.
 

imnotcrazy

There is ALWAYS meaning to my madness ®
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Trust castout in regards to edibles/medibles.... she has been doing this for a LONG time and has shown so many people the way. They would need census takers to get the count right.

IMO, you couldn't get advice from a better source on the subject


Also recognize that POTATOES are more toxic by weight than cannabis:

Toxicity

Potatoes contain toxic compounds known as glycoalkaloids, of which the most prevalent are solanine and chaconine. Solanine is also found in other plants in the family Solanaceae, which includes such plants as the deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna), henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) and tobacco (Nicotiana) as well as the potato, eggplant, and tomato. This toxin affects the nervous system, causing weakness and confusion.[citation needed]

These compounds, which protect the plant from its predators, are, in general, concentrated in its leaves, stems, sprouts, and fruits.[47] Exposure to light, physical damage, and age increase glycoalkaloid content within the tuber;[48][unreliable source?] the highest concentrations occur just underneath the skin. Cooking at high temperatures —over 170 °C (340 °F)— partly destroys these. The concentration of glycoalkaloid in wild potatoes suffices to produce toxic effects in humans. Glycoalkaloids may cause headaches, diarrhea, cramps, and in severe cases coma and death; however, poisoning from potatoes occurs very rarely. Light exposure causes greening from chlorophyll synthesis, thus giving a visual clue as to areas of the tuber that may have become more toxic; however, this does not provide a definitive guide, as greening and glycoalkaloid accumulation can occur independently of each other. Some varieties of potato contain greater glycoalkaloid concentrations than others; breeders developing new varieties test for this, and sometimes have to discard an otherwise promising cultivar.
The toxic fruits produced by mature potato plants

Breeders try to keep solanine levels below 200 mg/kg (200 ppmw). However, when these commercial varieties turn green, even they can approach concentrations of solanine of 1000 mg/kg (1000 ppmw). In normal potatoes, analysis has shown solanine levels may be as little as 3.5% of the breeders' maximum, with 7–187 mg/kg being found.[49] While a normal potato has 12–20 mg/kg of glycoalkaloid content, a green tuber contains 250–280 mg/kg, and green skin 1500–2200 mg/kg.[50]

The U.S. National Toxicology Program suggests that the average American consume at most 12.5 mg/day of solanine from potatoes (the toxic dose is actually several times this, depending on body weight). Douglas L. Holt, the State Extension Specialist for Food Safety at the University of Missouri, notes that no reported cases of potato-source solanine poisoning have occurred in the U.S. in the last 50 years, and most cases involved eating green potatoes or drinking potato-leaf tea

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato#Toxicity



What is the lethal dose of marijuana?

According to which US Government authority you want to believe, the lethal dose of marijuana is either about one-third your body weight, or about 1,500 pounds, consumed all at once.

In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).

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15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

From : http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm
 
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groady-ho

as is all-too-common in my life, I succumbed to my
Veteran
Trust castout in regards to edibles/medibles.... she has been doing this for a LONG time and has shown so many people the way. They would need census takers to get the count right.

IMO, you couldn't get advice from a better source on the subject


Truth INC--I'll second that bro--she has showed me the way--not only through medibles but through the kindness and sincere compassion she shows--
castout= Medibles made with love--
 
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castout

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Awww, you guys are making me blush! We try to do what we can, and they really work, and people get real relief, and a great night's sleep!!!!
 

LayedBack

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xanax and opiates are bad news bears

Well that's a generalized statement. Millions of people genuinely need these sort of pills to live. But I get what you're saying, cannabis is the safer route by far. It's effective for mental relief and much safer to use. At least ought to be considered first before getting yourself into a mess of a dependency with hard pharmaceuticals. But still, I hope everyone recognizes that really sick people would truly be screwed without opiates at least. Once you get past a certain point the mental relief you get from buds just won't cut it anymore.

I do get worried about the long-term effects of smoking so much marijuana. I've had this sad feeling ever since I got sick with chronic pain that I will die early in life. Guess I feel that I got pretty sick as a teenager so how could I possibly live past 40 with my entire body hurting already. Anyways though, I think smoking cannabis is probably on the lesser scale of bad habits to worry about. Can't hurt to vaporize or get into edibles instead though.
 

LeeROI

Member
I wasn't getting my preferred type of hybrid cannabis to smoke and so I was overconsuming with a big bong. Had a cough and quit smoking; coughed up small tar balls in my phlegm for three or four days (some of the stuff might have come from pruning old trees).

So I remembered seeing something on the forums about COPD.
Google COPD Cannabis and this is the top result:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2665954/

"In this issue of CMAJ, Tan and colleagues report the findings of a cross-sectional population-based study of the possible association between smoking marijuana and risk of COPD. Whereas previous studies have consistently reported an association between use of marijuana and chronic respiratory symptoms even in the absence of concomitant use of tobacco, Tan and colleagues did not report a similar finding for marijuana only. However, they found that the concurrent use of marijuana and tobacco appeared to synergistically increase respiratory symptoms and risk of COPD."
 

yesum

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A few puffs a day, I would not worry. You can get high and not inhale to the lungs also.

Hold the puff in your mouth a couple seconds and then exhale real slow out your nose. If the pot is good you will get high, I do.
 

manumoka

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johny boy, to summarize the research: smoking cannabis helps prevent lung cancer, copd, and emphysema. this is because there are some ingredients which ameliorate the effects of the tars, and have anti-carcinogenic and anti-inflammatory properties.
 

JustSumTomatoes

Indicas make dreams happen
In my own personal experience smoking cannabis damages the lungs. Smoked a few bowls a night for about 10 years and it definitely affected my breathing. I would personally stick to non-smoking forms of cannabis if you're worried about your lungs.
 

Douglas.Curtis

Autistic Diplomat in Training
Asthma nearly killed me several times, when I was younger. The diet my parents were on was wrong, the foods I ate were horribly wrong. I started life weak and with breathing issues. These days I'm super healthy, strong and active with zero asthma issues. The difference is in the information I'm aware of and the changes I made in my diet.


I've spent a lot of time researching how to grow super clean cannabis. My wife uses my cannabis to clear her lungs when her asthma or RADS shows up. Clean cannabis is a benefit, not a 'problem' for your lungs. :)



Scared of getting COPD or Cancer from MJ - Will edibles or pills have long term affect on organs?
Edibles and pills made from cleanly grown cannabis, used in moderation, will increase the health of your organs long term.



I want to know if there is any long term damage to organs if I consume MJ via food, caps/pills, tincture, etc..Will it affect pancrease or liver like a pharmaceutical pill would?
No, cannabis helps the body heal at a cellular level. The endocannabinoid system affects every system in your body, and when you have the appropriate cannabis the systems work well. Well regulated systems results in better health.

I'm a 30 year old asthmatic, I was diagnosed at 16 but ignored and continued to play sports, swim and bike without inhaler. They said it was a mild version. I recently quit smoking MJ and switched to vaporizing, no particular reason just wanted to becareful in the long run. I never smoked cigs, ever. I'm still able to play basketball with the 20 year olds on full court without any issues.
What is your blood type, what is the blood type of your parents and what are you eating? What were you eating at the height of your 'asthma'? There are a number of foods for each blood type which increase mucus and can cause mild to moderate asthma like symptoms. Dairy is a big one for the A and O blood types. (When you look up choosing your foods by blood type, pay attention to the people who also talk about your parent's blood type and the acidity of your body. Those who have not included all the appropriate information will say it does not work. When properly applied, it works for all blood types without question.)


To top it off I suffer from GAD (generalize anxiety disorder and OCD). I read an article yesterday about marijuana and emphysema at a young age. This put me in panic mode and I quickly made an appointment with doc to been next week. I even went out and purchased a brand new FLOW PEAK METER made by omcrom. I came home and tested, my numbers were really low at 450, the highest was around 500. The normal rate for someone my age and height is 622. I'm barely at 450. I'm only 150lbs, not sure if this has any affect to score.
Increase the CBD you use a bit, it will help with both GAD and OCD. Switch your focus to finding a source of cleanly grown cannabis. I smoke and use edibles 24/7 for autism and pain, there's a HUGE difference between cannabis... and cannabis with contaminates. My lungs stay perfectly clear with cannabis clean of dust, pollen, pesticides, excess fertilizer, insect bits/feces and whatever else you find on/in poorly grown cannabis.


When you have cleanly grown, trichome dense cannabis, you can literally take bong rips all day every day, for months on end, without having any breathing issues. Clear mucus in your lungs.


The meter I purchased 1/5 star reviews on amazon, mainly about the quality but some are complaining that the meter always shows 80-100 lower compared to other meters Not sure what to make of it. I'm scared and can barely focus. I just had a son, now I'm afraid I wont be around to see him grow up. I have no wheezing or any asthma attacks in my whole life.
More CBD. You can play sports without an inhaler, you're going to be fine.

To top it off my mother died of rare lung cancer called BAC at 49, however she was a heavy tobacco smoker. I lived with my dad and only seen her a few times, her house reaked of smoke. After I seen article on how you have 70% chance of getting lung cancer if you parents got it and you smoke. I spoke to genetics counselor who did not think it was necessary to test if there was not a strong family history (only sporadic with known cause) of LC in immediate family. No other history of cancer in my family. Both sides of grandparents are hitting their 90's.
Unless you're a heavy tobacco smoker, I would put that worry away.


It would be stupid of me to even continue to vaporizer or smoke. Anyone else consume mj via pills on a daily basis?
You're perfectly fine continuing, especially if you're able to find clean cannabis. You'll most likely have to grow it yourself, or find someone trustworthy in your area who grows cleanly.


Hope that helps. :tiphat:
 

JustSumTomatoes

Indicas make dreams happen
Hopefully with prohibition ending we can get some solid scientific research on both the benefits and dangers of smoking cannabis vs other methods of consumption. One of the biggest societal costs of prohibition is not having truthful data that could potentially save lives.
 

Muleskinner

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I've had asthma my whole life and I bought the Volcano as soon as I had the cash. But I used to take a hit or two of ganja smoke before working out and it helped with the asthma. I just assume that eliminating the combustion is the best way to go for health.

I'm not afraid of vaping at 370 degrees, you're not getting anything toxic at that temp, only healing, beneficial ingredients.
 

Klompen

Active member
ACTUALLY Johnny boy,

Dr.s at UCLA performed a 30 year study funded by NIDA to prove that regular cannabis smoking carried similar risks to cigarette smoking in regards to COPD, head, throat, neck and lung cancers... however... even those whose cannabis use was considered heavy, incurred no increased risk for contracting COPD and had a lowered risk of contracting head throat neck and lung cancers when compared to NON SMOKERS... and of course obviously much lower than cigarette smokers since smoking only increases ones risk when compared to non smokers...

check out this vid...

skip to 15:40 to go strait to the info on the study and how it pertains to COPD and lung cancer...
EDIT: also smoking cannabis is actually beneficial in treating asthma... skip to 38:00
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That's the work of Donald Tashkin. He is a great guy and has become a very vocal convert to cannabis legalization. He was the guy who a long time ago came up with some suggestive evidence that cannabis causes cancer and the government took his speculative work and ran hog wild with it. Then he did a huge study with 17,000 participants and found that it might even lower cancer risks.

Please realize though that the real threat of cannabis is much more dire than that:

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Douglas.Curtis

Autistic Diplomat in Training
This video made me cringe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1U4tkxIfG4

Kind of glad that I backed off on smoking and am switching to edibles and tinctures.
Having grown and used 'clean' cannabis, I can tell you it does not interfere with lung function, even when smoked constantly, day after day for months/years. Doctors tell me my lungs are very clear, then don't believe me when I tell them I've smoked cannabis daily for 30 years.

I doubt the govt products in Canada come anywhere close to being clean, so this video will probably help some folks up there. lol :)
 

yesum

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I have not seen good evidence of pot causing copd or cancer anywhere in the body. All studies showing such have had counter findings or had their scientific method challenged.

Pot smoke is still smoke though. Willie Nelson smoked around 20 joints a day and developed congestion and irritation and now vapes. At one joint a day I doubt he would have. If you like me and most people smoke much less than a gram or joint a day, then I think irritation is not much of a concern.
 

yardgrazer

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Needless to say, joints involve inhaling smoke from other burning material...



On the other hand pipes may involve inhaling butane.
 
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