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Principante8

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I was out walking my dog, breathing in some fresh air and relaxing when my last post on this topic popped into my head. Though I thought it was humorous in a dark sorta way, it was a little over the top and could have been highly offensive to some. Thankfully it was removed by the moderator because I do appreciate this being a family friendly site, and well, it certainly wasn't that. Anyway, on my walk I was wondering if I had made a troll post? It didn't take me long to realize I had. The interesting thing is I thought I was responding to the troll post. I pondered if someone could really think police would let white folks off the hook?

That's when the Mendo Breath and Gorilla Glue combo grabbed ahold of me and my imagination ran wild. In my mind I pictured the ring from the old MTV deathatch claymation show, and inside was our troll posts competing head to head. Although my troll post was much larger, at a well thought out five paragraphs, it took longer to read and it may have been harder for some people to understand. The tiny troll post won in the end because it was quick and effective, and went straight to the point. It was a savage victory for the newly declared champion and a devastating defeat for P8's hideously ugly troll post. After I scooped up my little girls warm tootsie roll I began to feel tired and looked towards my watch. That's when I realized it was three a.m. and I'd better head towards home to get some sleep. My feet were feeling heavier and heavier every step, but somehow I made it back to type this apology post.

I apologise and will keep it civil from now on. No more trolling.
 
h.h.

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White Beard said:
Like Shrub, you don’t do nuance, so I won’t nuance for you: you seem to think you’ve justified slavery...so if slavery’s okay, what’s the problem with socialism?


FUNDAMENTAL differences between the American style of slavery and the ‘perfectly okay’ slavery you mention. Your ‘point’ is invalid: nuance it yourself, you’re smart...



Not to counter you, bro, but one of the ugly truths is that the USA at large DID benefit from the work and economic impact of domestic slavery, if only indirectly: agriculture, of course, but hard-labor occupations of all sorts were laid upon slaves, who built the Capitol, the White House, Monticello, Mount Vernon, the railroads, the canals, the bridges, roads, ships, docks, you name it. Likewise, virtually all goods and produce available for sale or purchase ‘required’ forced labor for its production...the sale and purchase and transmission of which being to the benefit of the whites who held the forced-laborers captive, and not to the benefit of those whose labor was literally beaten out of them.

All first-rate examples of the slaver notion that *African* slavery specifically “ennobled” every white man, who gained the benefit of their toil and labor without ever having to come down off their privilege and break a sweat on their own behalf. Could also be considered a way to force public complicity with the slavers.
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Like the stock market today, not everybody benefits. With no slight on the hard labor involved intended, l contend that these jobs would have been preformed anyway and indeed they were. (Not that the compensated workers fared much better.)
The wealth and the benefits went to the top. The poor remained poor. The labor pool was diluted. While forced labor was primarily driven by racism, a man didn’t get a free pass by simply being white. The landowners took advantage of everybody they could. Slavery hurt everybody not involved with the enslavement.
 
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Principante8 said:
I was out walking my dog, breathing in some fresh air and relaxing when my last post on this topic popped into my head.....
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Well I must admit, it was funny as hell, and, I got it - total tongue-in-cheek, the main reason it was removed was because others who didn't 'get it' could have been hurt and let's be honest, this thread/topic touches on a very sensitive topic and any little 'misunderstanding' could easily erupt into a flame war causing the thread to be shut down!

Carry on!:tiphat:
 
imiubu

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Nice apology.

I can definitely relate to scooping "up my girls warm tootsie roll" at 3 a.m. haha. The things we do for love, aye. :)
 
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What I don’t understanding is why so many poor white southerners gave their lives in battle to defend a system of slavery that defied their morals as well as their own best interests. Not unlike many today defending our current form of capitalism.
 
Gypsy Nirvana

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h.h. said:
What I don’t understanding is why so many poor white southerners gave their lives in battle to defend a system of slavery that defied their morals as well as their own best interests. Not unlike many today defending our current form of capitalism.
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- Most of my ancestors that ended up fighting some planned war defending their own country - or away on some foreign field - did it because they wanted '3 hots and a cot' - it was either join the military or you and the family starve - in the 1920's it was the only place my Gramps could find some paying work during The Great Depression -

- I presume similar conditions existed for the bulk of soldiery throughout history - and caused them to join up - and when a nation didn't have enough volunteers for the military - then the authorities would send out 'Press-Gangs' - and /or create a draught or National Service - to force by law poor soldiers into a war -
 
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h.h. said:
What I don’t understanding is why so many poor white southerners gave their lives in battle to defend a system of slavery that defied their morals as well as their own best interests. Not unlike many today defending our current form of capitalism.
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I never understood it either h.h. until I moved to the South recently.

Apparently there was much more to it than just a fight over slavery, it was really an ideological battle between the North and South, much like today with the battle between East and West coast 'woke' ideas vs. the rest of the country with more traditional family centered values.
 
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CosmicGiggle said:
Well I must admit, it was funny as hell, and, I got it - total tongue-in-cheek, the main reason it was removed was because others who didn't 'get it' could have been hurt and let's be honest, this thread/topic touches on a very sensitive topic and any little 'misunderstanding' could easily erupt into a flame war causing the thread to be shut down!

Carry on!:tiphat:
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Now I’m curious...I appreciate the course of this thread.
 
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- When I was jailed a few years back in Manila immigration detention - in the same cell block with me were several West Africans - Liberians - Ghanaians - Nigerians - Sierra Leone's - and some French speaking men from Cameroon - all were dark Bantu looking - and in the many conversations I had with them - since they all spoke some English - I got the distinct opinion/impression that they thought of their distant American cousins as having won the proverbial lottery of life - by being born in the USA - and having all the help and opportunities there that they have never had -

- Many of them had a goal of emigrating to the USA some day because of it -

Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhWR4d3FJQ
 
h.h.

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CosmicGiggle said:
I never understood it either h.h. until I moved to the South recently.

Apparently there was much more to it than just a fight over slavery, it was really an ideological battle between the North and South, much like today with the battle between East and West coast 'woke' ideas vs. the rest of the country with more traditional family centered values.
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It was over slavery fed with the same ideological propaganda that lead to the storming of the capital building by “ the rest of the country with more traditional family centered values”. Wars are never based on reality.
Having lived the majority of my life up and down the woke west coast, I’ve found many traditional family values there as well. It’s good to be awake.
Anyways, that’s a subject for a different thread.
 
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Been living in this hell hole SF for more than 5 years and every year its becoming apparent that black Americans are not wanted and are systematically excluded from all industry especially the MJ industry. Of course if you are a decendant of slaves theres ways contribute to California's economy in its well stocked prison industry or assigned to the local sheriff dept. with heavy fines for frivolous traffic tickets in debt peonage.

At every sector of the California's MJ industry there are barriers to entry with ridiculously high license fees and requirements meant to exclude those who need it the most. And even if you meet all of the requirements and open a store, the city of SF will rezone your location and forcing you out of business. I personally saw a successful black owned MJ shop of 5 years refused a new lease by the landlord. A month later, 2 new white owed well funded MJ shops opened to take up his customers base. So please, do not believe California is this bastion of white liberals with an unbiased elevation of all men. It is elevation but its solely for white men and those who will kiss the king of white america. The California Cannibus industry severely reflects con and is infected with this politics. We are made to believe the only people the posses the ability grow weed, own & operate the industry of Cannabis in California are white americans that intend and should be allowed to monopolize everything cannabis.

Anyone with a similar experience or has evidence to the contrary, please post.
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Liberals are great. Leftist are racist authoritarian scum.
 
White Beard

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Thank you so much for a civil and coherent post. It’s genuinely appreciated.

If you’ll pardon my saying so, there are significant gaps in your knowledge of slavery in particular, and a few other matters. I suggest reading up on the Barbados Slave Code, which formed the ‘legal’ framework for African slavery in the USA, having been brought here by enterprising slavers once Barbados got too crowded.

Important to note that “corporations” as we know them didn’t exist in the era of overt slavery: the East India Company and its partnership with the British crown taught the early Americans some valuable lessons...which they didn’t begin to forget until after the rebellion. Forgetting meant allowing corporations to become nation-warping colossi...which is how we got to our current largely-corporatized state.

An excellent reference on this is Gangs of America, which covers the rise of today’s corporate state. This site and the book it contains (free to read) are the personal project of an early tech millionaire, not some ideologue, and I’ve been able to verify a great deal of its contents through other research. One of those things everyone should read.

Fortunately, whitewash isn’t durable....

When I went to verify that link, browser told me it was insecure, but the PDF of the book seems to free of any weird stuff, so should be clean to download
Principante8 said:
Actually most white folks were poor as fuck back then and would have loved to toil and sweat to make America great, but the corporations and rich landowners were using slaves to cheat everyone out of an honest living. The truth is if they could have they would have made slaves out of everyone. Blacks were an obvious choice to the West because they were such a minority that it would take several generations to build enough numbers to be a threat and earn their freedom. For this same reason white slaves were popular with the royal families and corporations in Africa and the middle east. With small numbers and no unified culture or language they'd be easy to control for a time, until eventually that would change.

Another point is that all of the bridges and canals etc built by slaves benefited every person living in future america, including black folks. My great great great grandfather fought in the civil war against the south and because of the actions of brave hard working people like him the very small amount of black folks in america had a chance at freedom and making something for themselves. Obviously and logically, with no unified culture or language, it would take the black population quite a long time to catch up. Now that they have those things they're moving forward at a rapid rate and doing better all the time and I'm cheering for them the same as I cheer for my broke ass brother. Nobody could snap their fingers and magically make that happen or we would have. By 'we' , I mean basically any person on the planet earth. People love people but some of the big players at the top don't seem to feel the same unfortunately. That being said, to think this tiny population built america is complete nonsense and to state it is a historical fiction, though they obviously contributed immensely like most laborers of the day.

Take a moment to read about the history of white folks and how poor our ancestors were. Most were just as poor as black folks, worked all day to survive, and had nothing to show for it. Far too poor to own slaves. Most folks weren't doing good until after the industrial revolution when finally jobs were available to the masses.

White people fled oppression and came to america in search of freedom and the last thing they wanted to see was their black brothers and sisters enslaved by the elite, so they fought hard against the evil forces to insure the freedom of every man.

It's baffling to me that anyone who feels oppressed by the system wouldn't understand how inaccurate, manufactured, and completely flawed this new racism narrative is. The media, politicians, public school systems corporations, etc, the same ones that have historically oppressed populations are guiding this whole divide and conquer narrative and have everyone duped. They're telling people, " it's not us, it's those evil white folks." The truth is that it's always them. People should really think about where their information comes from. Commie school curriculum, politicians, and international corporations, that's where. If anyone trusts those institutions and not your ordinary brothers and sisters please re evaluate. It's supposed to be us against them, not us against us.

God bless
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mean mr.mustard said:
Generalizations are great.

Judgemental blanket statements make you look like a journalist.
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Hum, do you own a mirror?

Leftism is a blight on society, no different than NAZI'S. Ideaology founded on racism, and bigotry.

I don't believe in censorship, so, I could never be a journalist.
 
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h.h. said:
What I don’t understanding is why so many poor white southerners gave their lives in battle to defend a system of slavery that defied their morals as well as their own best interests. Not unlike many today defending our current form of capitalism.
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They were not fighting to preserve slavery. Their cause was to free themselves from a federal government that did not respect the rights of the states. Just like now. Ask Texas, they have a notion to succeed, again.

Principante8 wrote: "My great great great grandfather fought in the civil war against the south"

Here is a guy who volunteered to fight on the side of the South, died at Resaca, GA, buried in Pulaski, TN near where he lived. He owned a slave who went to war with him, and gave him leave to go back home to Tennessee for a while. The slave came back. Read it for yourself...

https://creatingmyweight.blogspot.com/2005/05/download-free-holding-line-third.html
 
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They were not fighting to preserve slavery. Their cause was to free themselves from a federal government that did not respect the rights of the states. Just like now. Ask Texas, they have a notion to succeed, again.
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Your first sentence is correct: individual confederate soldiers did NOT fight to ‘defend slavery’; your second sentence sets out the bullshit excuses they were fed - along with pressure from friends, family, civic leaders, preachers, bosses, and MEDIA (of course).

If you ever decide to *verify* your fairy tale, you’ll discover that you can’t...because it’s bullshit. It was bullshit before the rebellion, it was bullshit after the rebellion, it remains bullshit to this day.

*DON’T* believe me: prove me wrong. I dare you.

Oh...and by all means, ask Texas about “states rights”...since they sued another state for *its* laws just recently: showing some real deep respect for states rights, there...just like they (and the other slaver states) did *before* they seceded. Great example of how ignorance of history leads to it repeating itself.
 
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