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Old 12-24-2007, 02:22 AM #41
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(And don't take this to be gospel, it's just my interpretation of what I have learnt.)

Plant growth factors (auxin) are hydrolysed (broken down/destroyed) by light. Put a light on the left of a plant and the plant bends to the left. This is because the auxin in the right side (dark side) of the stem continues to increase cell growth, where as there is no growth on the left side (light side) due to lack of auxin, and hence bending.
Auxin may promote axial elongation (as in shoots), lateral expansion (as in root swelling), or isodiametric expansion (as in fruit growth).


When the lights go off, the distribution of auxin changes as it floods the plants. This causes all round growth or increased turgidity and can make your plants appear less than perky, like they're puffing out their chests.


There may be some other reasons for drooping (such as to preserve water and prevent dessication/drying out) but I believe the answer above to partly the reason why they respond the way they do.

(sorry for the long post!

Auxin comes from the apical (dominant top) shoot and has an inhibitory effect on the lower shoots making the highest shoot climb towards the light more vigorously than the lower ones and that's the basis for the mechanism behind lst)


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In my experience, the plants droop overnight, I would imagine to conserve energy.

I also notice them "boot" up shortly after I feed them as opposed to right after I feed them they get droopy. I suspect this happens when the plant is taking up food, it would need to use energy to do that and takes it away from the leaves. Once it's energy is replaced the leaves prop back up.

There is a differnce between droopy and needs water though. Normally a plant that is in need of water will almost look dead, the leaves pointing straight down,

Are you seeing roots out of the drainage holes yet?
That is normally a good indication when the plant is well rooted and has some side action going on, what may have happened is that the plant is rooted straight down, thus all teh weight is in the side soil, where the plant is not feeding, you may need to dry your plants out a bit to force them to look all over the inside of that bag looking for food


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Thanks so much for that explanation Dog. Its appreciated.

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I'm going to get theoretical on your ass D Rock

(And don't take this to be gospel, it's just my interpretation of what I have learnt.)

Plant growth factors (auxin) are hydrolysed (broken down/destroyed) by light. Put a light on the left of a plant and the plant bends to the left. This is because the auxin in the right side (dark side) of the stem continues to increase cell growth, where as there is no growth on the left side (light side) due to lack of auxin, and hence bending.
Auxin may promote axial elongation (as in shoots), lateral expansion (as in root swelling), or isodiametric expansion (as in fruit growth).


When the lights go off, the distribution of auxin changes as it floods the plants. This causes all round growth or increased turgidity and can make your plants appear less than perky, like they're puffing out their chests.


There may be some other reasons for drooping (such as to preserve water and prevent dessication/drying out) but I believe the answer above to partly the reason why they respond the way they do.

(sorry for the long post!

Auxin comes from the apical (dominant top) shoot and has an inhibitory effect on the lower shoots making the highest shoot climb towards the light more vigorously than the lower ones and that's the basis for the mechanism behind lst)


I....................well..... .................. WHAT!!!


I tried to understand.


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I'll try to use English - Plant growth hormones are produced at the highest shoot and are broken down by light.



When lights are to the side (see stem B), the auxin on the light side is destroyed leaving only the dark side growing. This makes the plant bend towards the light.

When the lights go off, the growth hormones spread around the plant evenly causing growth in all directions - this can appear as droop.

(I'm not sure if that's 100% the cause, but I imagine it's part of it)
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I'll try to use English - Plant growth hormones are produced at the highest shoot and are broken down by light.



When lights are to the side (see stem B), the auxin on the light side is destroyed leaving only the dark side growing. This makes the plant bend towards the light.

When the lights go off, the growth hormones spread around the plant evenly causing growth in all directions - this can appear as droop.

(I'm not sure if that's 100% the cause, but I imagine it's part of it)
Im pretty sure thats what it is, thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. Learn something new everyday, I love it.
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:42 AM #46
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Day 27 December 25th 2007





- Well the day has finally come its Christmas & I got nothing from Santa. so I hope his Fat Ass chokes on some cookies and milk next year or gets stuck in a chimney.

- But nothing could make me happier than seeing my beautiful plants this morning they are so green and getting so big.

- One of my Garberville Purples is getting so much bigger than the others. Im thinking that this plant is going to be a male. In my experience the most healthy looking and biggest plants usually turn out to be males. I have started to LST my Garberville Purple, my biggest one at least. It was actually touching the light so I had to bend it down some so I would have a more even canopy. If this plant turns out to be a female and triples in size like some do then Im going to have more plant than I can handle.

-I hope everyones garden across the globe looks good and brings you happiness. Happy Holidays

- Oh Yeah Almost forgot. No more fuzzy Low quality Pics me and the Little lady got a new camera with macro capabilitiesfor X-mas. I was playing around with it earlier and took a couple of pictures for you guys to see. My wife said when we get the extra bulb for macro pictures then it will be evn better than what it is now. Im just so damn excited to fianlly have a decent camera. Its a Sony something. Enjoy.


















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Day 29 December 27, 2007





-(Early in the morning) Plants are big, Havent had a smoke yet & Im ill. wish i was still in bed time to take a couple hits from the bong.

- Lights just came on 6:00p.m. Lights are at there brightest..................... ........Wait..............wait just one cotton picken minute! I HAVE A CONFIRMED FEMALE!!!

- Thats right pistills on 4 of my plants 3 of them are on Northern Lights and the other one is my giant Garberville Purple. I have done some serious LST to it Probably used a yar or more of string to tie branches down to try and keep the canopy the same height
- Im wondering if I should start my lights on 12/12 now or should I wait for the others to show sex too? I could just keep vegging until I have all the females and males seperated. Cant hurt to let the "identified" ones keep on vegging.

-I havent even began to give Nutes yet, The Fox Farms Ocean Forrest Soil is packed full of Nutrients to Last pretty much the whole Vegetative stage, Unless you like to Veg for more than a month and a half is what Im guessing. Good stuff!! But when should I start to give my plants nutes? When the leaves start to yellow? Or if I start 12/12 light schedule then I would most certainly start them on the flowering Nutrients Right? Damn Immn confusing myself over here. It will work out just like my last grow. (Knocks on Wood )

- Pics to come. Trying to get Camera Away from wife so I can take some pics of the pistills and the progress in growth. More to come guys.





























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Old 12-28-2007, 05:19 AM #48
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I no nothing of pre nuted soil. I make my own mixes.
But your vegging plant look nice and healthy. YOu can do what you want for the lights. you can wait it out or force them, I would say force them, no sense wasting time waiting for nanners to show
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There looking sweet D-Rock cant wait to see the final product.....Happy Holidays brother......
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Howya drock, Things are starting to look mighty festive in that grow box of yours. Congratulations on the females and thanks for the new photos.

how much head room do you got in your box because i know it sucks when you run out of vertical space mid flowering. keep the pics coming, loving your grow log.

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