Yemen Houthis

Gypsy Nirvana said:

Yes - someone was telling me that the Saudi ineptitude is partly due to 70 plus generations of inbreeding - consanguineous marriage to close relatives etc - which has dropped the national IQ to a point where they cannot be educated to be able to run a modern army without much assistance from the west - or Russia - or China or Israel etc...

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lol, ok.....

or maybe, it's to do with the fact that the royals are too scared of the army to run it according to meritocracy, how armies are normally run, instead the Army is run by nepotism and getting promoted is reliant on how convincing you are in your protestations of loyalty to your direct superior. instead of moving competent soldiers up the chain of command, they are removed far from power, while power is divided up among the mediocre and the down right incompetent. the last thing the royals want is a general that can actually run a war ever getting his hands on command, he could too easily stage a coup and depose the fat soft royals.

Apparently the US military won't hire anyone with an IQ below 83 - because under 83 they are considered useless in a modern army - so what's the average IQ in Saudi Arabia?

As gaius has mentioned also - they have a monarchistic totalitarian power structure under sharia law to protect their power-base - and that looks to be slipping a bit lately with all the Khashoggi revelations - and global interest has shifted to spotlight them somewhat - so the truth is getting out about their human rights abuses - the huge arms contracts and the war with Yemen - amongst other nefarious negative news - unless you are a member of the corporate-military-industrial machine of course.


But not much is ever done - its swept under the carpet in time because the Saudi contracts are worth far more than anyone's life.

Gypsy Nirvana said:

Apparently the US military won't hire anyone with an IQ below 83 - because under 83 they are considered useless in a modern army - so what's the average IQ in Saudi Arabia?

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Idk Gypsy... however I do recall reading something about something several years ago. I'll go find it...



https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/world/saudi-arabia-awakes-to-the-perils-of-inbreeding.html



Saudi Arabia Awakes to the Perils of Inbreeding

By SARAH KERSHAWMAY 1, 2003

When she was 17, marrying age for a Saudi girl, Salha al-Hefthi was presented with a husband.

She was lucky, her parents told her when they planned the wedding, that she was to marry such a good man, a man from her own tribe, a man who would care for their children and make a good living. He was the son of her father's brother -- her first cousin -- and everyone, including the bride, agreed that ''a first cousin was a first choice,'' she said.

The couple had two healthy boys, now 22 and 20, but their third child, a girl, was born with spinal muscular atrophy, a crippling and usually fatal disease that was carried in the genes of both parents. Their fourth, sixth and seventh children were also born with the disorder.

Spinal muscular atrophy and the gene that causes it, along with several other serious genetic disorders, are common in Saudi Arabia, where women have an average of six children and where in some regions more than half of the marriages are between close relatives.

Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

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In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government.
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Widespread inbreeding in Saudi Arabia has produced several genetic disorders, Saudi public health officials said, including the blood diseases of thalassemia, a potentially fatal hemoglobin deficiency, and sickle cell anemia. Spinal muscular atrophy and diabetes are also common, especially in the regions with the longest traditions of marriage between relatives. Dr. Sakati said she had also found links between inbreeding and deafness and muteness.

Saudi health authorities, well aware of the enormous social and economic costs of marriage between family members, have quietly debated what to do for decades, since before Mrs. Hefthi was married 23 years ago. Now, for the first time, the government, after starting a nationwide educational campaign to inform related couples who intend to marry of the risk of genetic disease, is planning to require mandatory blood tests before marriage and premarital counseling.

Mrs. Hefthi, for one, wishes she had been given the opportunity to test for genetic risks.

''If I knew, I would have said no to that marriage,'' Mrs. Hefthi, an elementary school teacher, said the other night, sitting in her living room with three of her sons.

''Why? It's very painful. Why? If you know something is wrong, would you do it?''

Mrs. Hefthi did not know it when her daughter was born, but Ashjan, now 18, would never walk. Her childhood would be filled with terrible colds, sore throats, assorted other illnesses and an obsessive longing to walk and run like her older brothers.

''Why can't I walk,'' she would shout to her mother when she was 6.

''It is God's will,'' her mother would say. ''In paradise you will walk.''

''In paradise will I have a magic carpet?'' she would ask constantly. ''In paradise will I have a horse with wings?''

Ashjan would never be able to comb her hair or dress or clean herself. Her body would grow only in tiny spurts, her spine curving into the shape of a half-moon. Once she reached adolescence, she would shrivel year by year, and she would most likely die by the time she turned 20.

Health officials and genetic researchers here say there is no way to stop inbreeding in this deeply conservative Muslim society, where marrying within the family is a tradition that goes back hundreds of years.

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Today, when most unions are still arranged by parents, marrying into wealth and influence often means marrying a relative. Social lives are so restricted that it is virtually impossible for men and women to meet one another outside the umbrella of an extended family. Courtships without parental supervision are rare.

Among more educated Saudis, marrying relatives has become less common and younger generations have begun to pull away from the practice. But for the vast majority, the tradition is still deeply embedded in Saudi culture.

Statistics on the prevalence of genetically based diseases and the extent to which they are a direct result of marriage between close relatives -- second cousins or closer -- are scarce or unreliable because many Saudi parents raise their disabled children in obscurity, ashamed to seek services.

That has begun to change as more programs intended to educate disabled children open in Saudi Arabia, where there were almost none until a decade ago. Genetic research is emerging here and several projects have recently begun in an effort to document the connection between inbreeding and disease and to quantify the prevalence of the diseases.

''Saudi Arabia is a living genetics laboratory,'' said the executive director of the Prince Salman Center for Disability Research, Dr. Stephen R. Schroeder, an American geneticist who has been doing research in Saudi Arabia for the last year. ''Here you can look at 10 families to study genetic disorders, where you would need 10,000 families to study disorders in the United States.''

One of the oldest and best known educational programs for disabled children in Saudi Arabia is the Disabled Children's Association in Riyadh, which opened in 1986. There, 200 children from infancy to age 12 suffering from a variety of diseases and disorders attend day care programs and classes. At the school, the director, Sahar F. al-Hashani, pointed out at least one or two students in each of six classrooms whose parents were related.

Not all marriages between close relatives produce children with genetic disorders. In fact, most do not. But testing could identify couples who test positive for serious diseases. Under a fatwa issued by the World Islamic League in 1990, Islam permits abortions up to 120 days after conception if an unborn child tests positive for a serious disorder.

In the case of spinal muscular atrophy, if both parents are carriers of the gene, the couple has a 25 percent chance of having a child with the disease -- or one in four children. The percentage regrettably turned out to be much higher for Mrs. Hefthi and her husband, with four out of their seven children afflicted.

Mrs. Hefthi said she would not allow any of her three healthy boys to marry a relative. In a society that places such a premium on having children, she said, many people would choose to find another mate if they learned that they were at risk of having severely disabled children and if their parents supported their decision."

Arabs(Sunni) arent very bright and cant for shit

I think that most monarchies have had their share of mad and sick kings/princes and princesses over history - much of it due to sister or cousin shagging - and that is no good example to the rest of the people - because they seem to end up doing it too - inbreeding to fix certain traits among cannabis plants can lead to a good result occasionally - but among humans - most often you get a distinct drop in intellect - and often multiple congenital abnormalities -

Gypsy Nirvana said:

Apparently the US military won't hire anyone with an IQ below 83 - because under 83 they are considered useless in a modern army - so what's the average IQ in Saudi Arabia?

As gaius has mentioned also - they have a monarchistic totalitarian power structure under sharia law to protect their power-base - and that looks to be slipping a bit lately with all the Khashoggi revelations - and global interest has shifted to spotlight them somewhat - so the truth is getting out about their human rights abuses - the huge arms contracts and the war with Yemen - amongst other nefarious negative news - unless you are a member of the corporate-military-industrial machine of course.


But not much is ever done - its swept under the carpet in time because the Saudi contracts are worth far more than anyone's life.

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National IQ Scores - Country Rankings

Rank Country %
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1 Singapore 108
2 South Korea 106
3 Japan 105
4 Italy 102
5 Iceland 101
5 Mongolia 101
6 Switzerland 101
7 Austria 100
7 China 100

9 Australia 98
9 United States 98
21 Philippines 86

23 Saudi Arabia 84
23 Solomon Islands 84
23 Uganda 84
23 United Arab Emirates 84
23 Vanuatu 84
23 Venezuela 84
24 Algeria 83
24 Bahrain 83
24 Libya 83
24 Oman 83



39 Lesotho 67
39 Liberia 67
39 Saint Kitts and Nevis 67
39 Sao Tome and Principe 67
40 Gambia, The 66
41 Cameroon 64
41 Gabon 64
41 Mozambique 64
42 Saint Lucia 62
43 Equatorial Guinea 59
North Korea N/A

Elmer Bud said:

National IQ Scores - Country Rankings

Rank Country %
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1 Singapore 108
2 South Korea 106
3 Japan 105
4 Italy 102
5 Iceland 101
5 Mongolia 101
6 Switzerland 101
7 Austria 100
7 China 100

9 Australia 98
9 United States 98
21 Philippines 86

23 Saudi Arabia 84
23 Solomon Islands 84
23 Uganda 84
23 United Arab Emirates 84
23 Vanuatu 84
23 Venezuela 84
24 Algeria 83
24 Bahrain 83
24 Libya 83
24 Oman 83



39 Lesotho 67
39 Liberia 67
39 Saint Kitts and Nevis 67
39 Sao Tome and Principe 67
40 Gambia, The 66
41 Cameroon 64
41 Gabon 64
41 Mozambique 64
42 Saint Lucia 62
43 Equatorial Guinea 59
North Korea N/A

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There would seem to be a few omissions.

Gry said:

There would seem to be a few omissions.

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G `day G

Here`s a link to the entire list .
https://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

I quoted the top 10 , the domain Saudi sit in and the lowest 10 as a sample .

The Philippines for Gypsie`s benefit and Australia because that`s where I live , for relevance .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

8 New Zealand 99

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9 Australia 98

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Just Kidding EB... :friends:

Brother Nature said:

Just Kidding EB... :friends:

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G `day BN

Dang !
That must be the All Blacks influencing the score ?
All black smarter than Wallabies ? lol .

Nah IQ is not just a test of intelligence . Its also a test of do you know how to solve problems .

Back in the day Kiwis were multi skilled . Had to be . Small population and shrinking. 1 guy had to be able to multi task .

I know a cpl of Kiwi mechanics . Diesel , petrol , car , motor bike , tractor , crane. They can fix em all .
They have funny accents and say sex instead of six .LOL . But they are assets to Australia .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Hah, yeah we can be a useful bunch, have found that with a lot of smaller and/or more remote nations. They tend to be more useful with what they have even when it's not a lot, no choice I suppose.



You guys definitely win in the economic sector though, we are loosing most of our skilled laborers over there, better pay, more sun and surf, cheaper weed, and I for one have always been partial to an Aussie lass. Anyways, I digress... back to the thread.

Interesting link - Joe Rogan expounds on the current and historical problems with in-breeding amongst islamic communities worldwide.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=s5vwN_1547618797

Trumps Busum buddy MBS still busy with war crimes in Yemen

Trumps Busum buddy MBS still busy with war crimes in Yemen

Hundreds of Yemenis tortured in Saudi Arabia’s Jizan prison: Rights group

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/18/632043/Yemenis-Saudi-Arabia-torture-prison-Jizan

Tuesday, 18 August 2020 6:03 AM [ Last Update: Tuesday, 18 August 2020 10:26 AM

A Geneva-based rights group reveals that hundreds of Yemeni inmates have been subjected to systematic torture and ill-treatment at a prison in Saudi Arabia’s southwestern Jizan region.

Citing information obtained from former prisoners, the SAM Organization for Rights and Liberties said on Monday that the Yemeni detainees have been tortured by electrocution and crucifixion, held in solitary confinement for prolonged periods, and denied health care as well as contact with their lawyers and families.

At least one inmate died of torture, the group noted, raising concerns about the health condition of two inmates, Ahmed Saleh al-Fateqi and Ali al-Komani, who were subjected to daily torture after being held in solitary confinement for months.

It also called for an investigation into the reported enforced disappearance of Yemenis in Saudi jails.

Meanwhile, SAM Chairman Tawfiq al-Hamidi said the Yemeni prisoners include more than 500 recruits serving the Saudi-led military coalition waging war on Yemen.

He added that 28 of the detainees had been arrested for asking earlier this year to visit their families during the Eid al-Fitr holiday, which marks the end of the holy fasting month of Ramadan.

A number of Yemeni fishermen were also abducted for unknown reasons by militants loyal to the government of former Riyadh-backed Yemeni president Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi and handed over to Saudi Arabia.

Since March 2015, Saudi Arabia — leading a coalition of its allies — has been waging a deadly US-backed military campaign in Yemen with the aim of reinstating Hadi, who had resigned and fled to Riyadh.

The aggressor coalition has further blockaded impoverished Yemen, turning the situation there into what the United Nations describes as the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.

The Saudi regime and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are said to be running secret prisons inside Yemen, with numerous reports of serious human rights violations at the facilities.

In June, a well-known Saudi activist whistleblower going by the name “Mujtahid” exposed the existence of a Riyadh-run prison in Yemen’s largest province of Hadhramout, where the regime has tortured many to death.

Mujtahid revealed that hundreds if not thousands of Yemenis were being kept at the facility, where conditions were “not even fit for an animal,” calling on international organizations to address the matter.

The Human Rights Watch had also said in March that Saudi forces and their allies had since last June perpetrated serious abuses against civilians in the Yemeni province of a-Mahrah, including arbitrary arrests, torture, enforced disappearances, and illegal transfer of people to Saudi Arabia.

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only 5 years too late CNN has found out about the mass murder of Yemeni woman and children by the saudi and US government...good for them

SHOCK: US Role In Yemen Genocide Called Out In Mainstream Media

gaiusmarius said:

only 5 years too late CNN has found out about the mass murder of Yemeni woman and children by the saudi and US government...good for them

SHOCK: US Role In Yemen Genocide Called Out In Mainstream Media

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Because at this point it can be framed as part of the Trump era, which it was. Of course, they were instructed to look the other way for five years, as you said. Ignore it as it happens, act penitent later....it's the American way.

Bumbatar said:

Khat chewing??? there is Khat madness now like there was reefer madness. I think its just bull shit, from what I gather Khat is like a cross between Red-bull and aspirin. People chew it during work for energy and mild pain relief but it goes stale very fast and loses potency which maybe why it tends to only be popular in source countries where its grown.

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Flown into LA daily use by local members of the community. Known of but overlooked by the authorities.
Was told it is available in the local food places and mom and pop stores that community use.