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Old 02-11-2019, 03:52 AM #41
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So the substance that the government told me was dangerous and had zero medicinal value, is now no longer dangerous, and I need to pay the federal government a cut anytime I grow a plant or smoke a joint? Fuck legalization. I'd rather grow bud and give it away for free than let some paper pusher in Washington DC take my hard work away from me under threat of prison.
if you give it away, there are no taxes to pay. the black market will not ask you for tax money, nor require a permit to grow. but folks that want the black market option need to get out of the way of those that like the option of not getting arrested for possession just so others can thumb their noses at the govt.
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hmm, haven't read the bill but get the impression we're talking recreational sales only
so how could that work? federal enforcement/boots on the ground?
that doesn't sound likely, state/local would have to be the enforcers
and the feds take the lion's share of the 'take'?
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hmm, haven't read the bill but get the impression we're talking recreational sales only
so how could that work? federal enforcement/boots on the ground?
that doesn't sound likely, state/local would have to be the enforcers
and the feds take the lion's share of the 'take'?
The Feds will be happy to step in.
For example they have been squashing CBD oil with the FDA.
If you want CBD you get Epidiolex.
I think that is all that is currently approved.
CBD is a drug and you cant get drugs without FDA aproval.
Silly drug dealers selling helpful drugs whithout FDA aproval.


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FDA has proclaimed cannabidiol (CBD) isn’t a dietary supplement ingredient at all, thanks largely to GW’s current drug trials and a related exclusionary clause in the 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA).

“I think the market will stand as it is until GW has a commercially viable product, at which point FDA will start sampling at the border, and they will shut down the trade,

Todd Harrison, a lawyer in Washington who advises clients on FDA regulations, expects GW to pressure FDA, demanding removal of supplements containing CBD, if Epidiolex is approved.

If I’m GW … I’m going to be knocking on their door, saying … ‘Why aren’t you getting these CBD products off the market? I’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting a drug approved, and you’re letting these supplement companies market’" an ingredient that wasn’t available in the food supply before GW commenced its drug trials,
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The Feds will be happy to step in.
For example they have been squashing CBD oil with the FDA.
If you want CBD you get Epidiolex.
I think that is all that is currently approved.
CBD is a drug and you cant get drugs without FDA aproval.
Silly drug dealers selling helpful drugs whithout FDA aproval.


The reason? 2017
Pressure from big money$$$$$$

FDA has proclaimed cannabidiol (CBD) isn’t a dietary supplement ingredient at all, thanks largely to GW’s current drug trials and a related exclusionary clause in the 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA).

“I think the market will stand as it is until GW has a commercially viable product, at which point FDA will start sampling at the border, and they will shut down the trade,

Todd Harrison, a lawyer in Washington who advises clients on FDA regulations, expects GW to pressure FDA, demanding removal of supplements containing CBD, if Epidiolex is approved.

If I’m GW … I’m going to be knocking on their door, saying … ‘Why aren’t you getting these CBD products off the market? I’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting a drug approved, and you’re letting these supplement companies market’" an ingredient that wasn’t available in the food supply before GW commenced its drug trials,
what ever laws the federal side may think it will pass
their ability to enforce simply doesn't exist without the state/local infrastructure
federal will have to cooperate with state, that's a hard reality
unless they want to hire a new massive infrastructure, and that's not going to happen
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The Feds will be happy to step in.
For example they have been squashing CBD oil with the FDA.
If you want CBD you get Epidiolex.
they are selling CBD all over the place here in TN. you can also get high CBD hemp pre-rolls & buds as well. gonna be a nightmare for LEO, lol... maybe just what we need to get us over the top for legalization, even if legalization is not what you want.
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they are selling CBD all over the place here in TN. you can also get high CBD hemp pre-rolls & buds as well. gonna be a nightmare for LEO, lol... :
No it will not be a nightmare for the FDA at all if fact they will enjoy all the money in the form of fines they collect.
They have a win win situation.

"In short, we treat products containing ... cannabis-derived compounds as we do any other FDA-regulated products," FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb said in the statement, "meaning they're subject to the same authorities and requirements as FDA-regulated products containing any other substance."

The FDA statement on CBD emphasized that foods, drinks, and supplements that contain the ingredient should be considered illegal.


So you see the folks that are currently selling CBD are doimg it on the black market.
And it is illegal to do so, therefore if you are caught doing it you will go to jail.

Legalization seems to find new ways to put more and more folks in jail everyday.
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their ability to enforce simply doesn't exist without the state/local infrastructure

It does and they are using it as we speak,don' kid yourself.
federal will have to cooperate with state, That is a bit backwards the state must cooperate with the feds.that's a hard reality
unless they want to hire a new massive infrastructure, and that's not going to happen
You will not get CBD without purchasing the FDA approved products in the not so distant future.

I ask, can you buy other drugs legally without FDA approval???
No it is impossible to do.
Why would you think you would be able to do it all of a sudden.

All drugs must be FDA approved!
This is not debatable, not one bit!
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The way it works is the feds lean on the state Govt. if they fail they bring in the big guns.
This is what some states have begun to do under the FDA's pressure.

New York City's health department has ordered restaurants to stop selling foods and drinks containing CBD, a compound found in cannabis plants.

Maine’s public health authority is requiring removal of CBD edible products from store shelves.
Ohio, Vermont and North Carolina are doing this also.

Then there is the subject of the potential of lawsuits concerning the CBD companies specialty pharmaceutical division.
This crackdown has included seizure of CBD products, and the warning of fines to come, which could total up to $650 beginning in July for violations

The main reason for the crackdown is:"
You cannot market a substance as treating any specific disease or symptom without FDA approval.

Additionally, in the Warning Letters the FDA claimed that the retailers were illegally marketing their products as “dietary supplements” because CBD products are excluded from the definition of dietary supplement
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Why should anyone here be surprised at the government wanting a piece of the pie? We / us / growers act as if cannabis is our plant. The government will claim rights through patents. We claim rights through association.

The amount of greed displayed by people in this industry is already scary. Large dispensary owners pushing State agendas and laws to monopolize the market for their own purposes.
The health and safety of the consumer is thrown out the window. The whole concentrates market needs a big HOLD THE FUCK UP! This market is doing more harm to our overall objective of legalization. (Reefer Madness, fear mongering)
This only drives the fears and mind sets of elected officials. Not to mention our wealthy legal adversaries.

Growers, pull your heads out of your asses for a minute. ( some not all). We wouldn't have the added expense of all the clinical testing. If you dumb asses weren't using every chemical under the sun to make that extra gram a week earlier! Some of us are our own worst enemies here. Can't see the forest for the trees.

If earthworms can't thrive in it, you shouldn't be growing! Plain and simple. Now the home growers have to fight battles that were brought to the table by ourselves. After reading this thread. The common denominator is (we all want the right to grow). LEGALLY
Then we need to stop fucking ourselves first and work together for the greater good. There is much more money to be made, than what you have already spent. If you have a room full of ( pesticides, herbicides and growth inhibitors)? Please swallow some pride and get rid of that shit. One more seed planted will always produce more than any chemical you put on the rest of them.
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It does and they are using it as we speak,don' kid yourself.
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unless they want to hire a new massive infrastructure, and that's not going to happen


no it doesn't
little weed growers aren't arrested by federal leo for a long time
it's state police, sheriffs, and municipal
you think there is going to be some new federal enforcement arm?
apparently you do, well it doesn't exist
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