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Old 09-04-2017, 01:53 AM #21
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The Kush x Skunk is a male, so I pulled that one. Doesn't seem to be anything that suggests any extra effort in trying to preserve. You'd expect it to be similar to Edelweiss (Kush x Skunk x N. Indian), and, I suppose, morphologically it's pretty similar, but again, from three weeks younger, outgrew it and started branching.

Of the younger set of plants, the Afghan is certainly most vigorous in growth. No signs of flower yet, so I topped it.

Normally you'd expect sativas to be slower in bud development and make fluffy ones, but, so far, the Mekong is actually competing with Kiss Dragon to show her nice roundies. The other ones are still pretty sparse. I suppose most people are picture fiends; some things I don't have are a camera, or nice indoor equipment. I can probably borrow the former in a couple weeks when some of these things should become quite photogenic.

New feedings for this phase are a serving of goat manure and some blackstrap molasses. Might need a little extra something before long, but for the most part, everything is looking happy.
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:09 PM #22
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It's taking shape.

Seeing eight plants with well defined budding sites that can be seen from a distance. Only one strain with a duplicate female so far (Kiss Dragon).

The holdouts are:

Himalayan Gold. It's been sitting on "a few pistils" for a couple weeks, and only now is putting out a few more.

Afghan. It has plenty of distinct pre-flowers, but no sign of sex yet.

Orient Express #3. Although it continues to live, it's so slow and miniature that whatever it may do, is not going to amount to much. I've started clipping branches from the adult male.

Sexbud #2. I think I muffed this one and probably stuck the wrong seed in the pot. What's coming up is a fairly broad leafed indica of a lighter color, so I'm really starting to doubt it's a Sexbud variant, and pretty sure it's something else.

As the last feeding, I got an Espoma liquid mostly for kelp & bone meal, I think it's the one they call Start, but as a 1-2-2, it most closely resembles the ideal flowering ratio, which I took as 1-3-2.

Still favorably impressed with everything. There has been an average amount of lower/inner leaf loss, which is probably fine unless it spreads through the whole plant. Aside from the early attack on Orient Express, there has been a minimum of chews by grasshoppers, caterpillars, or whoever. Also a very minimum of leaf tip burn or other signs of stress. Even the Edelweiss, it never actually looked overheated, I'm just throwing that guess out towards its slow growth. Others have been able to get it solid and bushy, although I've only seen that from indoor growing.

So yeah. This gang rocks the socks off nearly 20 years of bagseed grows. Conceivably, it may even smoke better. It actually is true that...a bagseed plant...flowered indoors under "less than ideal" lights can produce dense, sticky bud that is much better than the bag it came in. This method only really works for the tops of plants, which I usually did in twos or fours, although it did generate a single cola the size of a human forearm when I tried it that way.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:09 PM #23
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"It" shows some pistils now. Best guess is I mixed up the second Sexbud with Nirvana's Swiss Cheese, Swiss Miss x Cheese, something like a pile of Skunk crossed to a Nepali. This one has fairly broad-ish leaves with some deep indentations, which seems to match at least some pics of Swiss Cheese, so, pending further development, it's most likely I made a mistake with a label when planting, and this is pretty obviously no Sexbud.

That just leaves the Afghan as yet to reveal its gender; it's getting close, but, if female, needs to start soon, to stand a chance at beating the cold. They probably are a bit resistant, but you don't want to experiment much with frost and freezing if avoidable. Next few weeks should be some spiffy growing weather, but it does eventually stop.

Hopefully those few weeks will start filling with shiny stuff & scents

Edit: mini-Orient Express has pistils. If "cutting the stem completely" is not an environmental stress that produces more males...well...I dunno, either way this thing is pretty durable. However, not sure I want to hold it for a couple more months so it can produce one joint.

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Old 09-15-2017, 11:56 PM #24
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Moving into the final phase here, since there are now trichomes on both Kiss Dragons. I think even the Afghan might be female, but give it a few days to be sure.

So just a few notes on growth habits. With small plants, I usually try to go for two or four tops, but that didn't happen with all of these.

I managed to squeak out four on Sexbud and Mekong High, which both made a pleasing candelabra shape. Orient Express only has two tops, and those extended well beyond the rest of the plant; the tops are at least twice as long as the main stem. With most plants, it's the first branches beneath the tops that grow big and tall; the Mekong is a little different in that the *second* set of branches from the cut, are the ones that reached the canopy.

With the single-top plants, these are the reasons and the apparent progress. Kiss Dragon #2 simply flowered too quickly, then it stretched considerably beyond all its contemporaries, and looks like it is filling in with a great deal of flowering.

Edelweiss never grew that much, so topping was never really an option. It stretched an average amount, and, after a couple weeks of flowering, there are still only a few sites and those are still pretty small. When comparing information that says it does well outdoors in "long warm Mediterranean summer", and that, in actual practice, that seems to mean Switzerland, I just wind up guessing that it would probably do better in a northern environment, planted prior to July.

Nemesis survived my attempt to kill it with a flimsy cup, so, in this case, the grower knocked off about three weeks of its development. It stretched an average amount, so, although shorter than Kiss Dragon, it looks like it will flower almost that much. Really not bad for a comeback, and a good example of why not to throw something away because it looks bad.

The last Orient Express, well, it's almost silly, looks like a three node seedling with a flower on top. Not sure what to do with this. But, as a testament to Ace, with their regular seeds, that was 3/3 germination, and two females, with one female remaining that way, despite being bitten in half. Had it been bitten earlier in the year, it would have had a chance to do some regrowing, but at a late stage, mere survival is pretty impressive. Just not very productive.

I did not top Himalayan Gold since its wild growth pattern did the equivalent thing automatically. Although its information explicitly states, suited for cool mountain air, I don't see it as being in any way impeded by heat. It's a bit on the slow side of flowering; but the backside of that, given some additional time, perhaps it becomes the heaviest yielder. At least, information from others says it's the kind of thing to bulk up so much, it can't support itself. I think it's the only one of these strains with that kind of reputation.
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Old 09-17-2017, 10:46 PM #25
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Trichomes starting to run across the field, good times. Kiss Dragon #1 becoming shiny/frosty. I'm still favorably impressed by this obscure strain; the only potential drawbacks are:

Super stretchy. Definitely a "size doubler". General info says there is nothing you can do to keep Mekong High or Himalayan Gold under five feet tall, but, so far, that hasn't happened; this one easily exceeds them. Since it's not indoors, I don't care about stretch that much, however, the first Kiss Dragon with two tops and long branches, I would have to say it's not really filling in the extra space like a lot of other things do. The tops & branch ends look great, but the "inner stuff" is conspicuously absent.

In that sense, the single top version will probably have a more pleasing/fuller look to it. Instead of long, mostly empty branches, it's just flowering right at the nodes, and will probably wind up becoming a stalk of continuous bud. I don't know how that compares to its Black Domina parent, and neither one of these fit the "so dark, almost black" trait that is apparently highly sought in that line.

So it may not be the heaviest yielder, and perhaps unlikely to sport the Black Domina grail, but clearly the leader in the flowering charge of this batch of stuff. Which, in and of itself, doesn't make the smoke any better or worse than anything else...just most likely the first we'll get to try.

Afghan would probably be the last, it's stretched to be as big as anything else, but so far has refused to budge from pre-flowers into the real thing. Although it does make the concept of "hybrid vigor" almost invalid; well, that's not really an accurate comparison, but this turtle easily overwhelms the hybrids. Planted last, and some of its leaf stems are about as thick as the whole Edelweiss.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:15 AM #26
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Out of these things, it looks like Nemesis is the least stretchy.

It's not really even as tall as the Edelweiss. That Edelweiss is...strange, it had an early rush of trichomes and the pistils have shrunken down already. It looks almost finished, or at least the fastest developing flowers, just...on a tiny scale. I could smoke it in one night, if not at once. It's just a top and a decent node and a few miniature specks lifted relatively high on a stretchy stem. So it's quite fine looking, as a fairy wand.

By contrast the Nemesis has six or seven meaty nodes that almost disappear into the soil. For a small plant, it's fully loaded, resembles a club or shillelagh. I've never grown one that came out so compact. It, and most of the rest, aren't into trichomes yet (mainly just Edelweiss, Kiss Dragon, Sexbud).

Despite its preflowers, the Afghan is outpouring a shower of what I would call vegetative growth more than stretching, getting more branchy and making a coat of leaves that, yeah, it's kind of like a big turtle. Maybe the equinox will trigger it. Don't really want it to keep increasing!
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:25 PM #27
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Haha well, apparently Afghan answers to speculation, and whipped out a couple sets of pistils. Not bad for a free regular seed. And that was the last one that needed to flower, so it's all gravy from here.

Most of the other strains do have trichomes upon close inspection, but only a few are noticeable from a distance. And those are all still thin and mostly clear, but I think we can safely estimate that the frosty ones will be taken first, and the Afghan last.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:17 PM #28
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Looks like, due to a room cleaning maneuver, the potential pollen has been ousted, and I may have already hacked that male too much for him to do any more. So the feeble attempt at breeding is probably nixed.

That's unfortunate because the Mekong High is quite an impressive plant.

I guess it's down to experiencing strains and maybe find some favorites. Who am I to judge anything that might be world class, or close, or whatever, if I really don't know what they are to begin with?

I thought breeding was Dutch, and only recently found out it's more from California. Ok...well in "early times", there was Haze, which, I don't believe I've ever smelled anything that resembles fruit...also, Skunk, which was the only thing I heard people talk about.

In my rubish terminology, Skunk is simply anything with that smell. I can't say if it has anything to do with Skunk #1, or something far from it that has enough Afghan to generate the pungency, but I do remember finding it a long time ago.

One of the first times I was able to buy it, turns out that one of those guys' dad sold crystal meth to Mikhail Baryshnikov (the dancer). Weird, but ok.

Spain was nothing in those days. One of the only chicks I've ever known to get a breast reduction, which was understandable, cause hers pretty much stacked on her belt, had been in Spain for about a year in the mid 80s. Said there wasn't actually cannabis, but people rolled hash into cigarettes. So I doubt strains were particularly well known in Spain at that time.

Bit further along, I remember skunk from New York twice--once from a guy who randomly came through a car wash. Another was from the skins, and here's what happened with that stuff. Kreator came through, I can't remember what tour but around 1990-91 and...well, the bag's effect on me caused me to pursue a skirt, which is what I went off and did. My friends stuck around and were able to go on the bus to smoke out Mille and the band. The German world-touring opinion at the time, was: "We love American weed, it's better than hash!"

Hard to draw a direct conclusion, but, at least, it points in the direction that, whatever we would have considered good quality back then, would have been impressive anywhere.

The last time I had a really good skunk smelling thing, it was in a bag, in a bag, in the glove compartment of a car with the windows rolled up. I could smell it unmistakingly as soon as I stepped outside. It was like a gob of white goo with bits of green and purple stuck to it. It came from that well-known cannabis hotspot, Utah.

Extremely strong, it was almost literal paralysis. Maybe the strongest I ever had in this country. I've had California and Colorado "something", and, yes, a lot of downer weed makes you feel like not doing much, but the Utah was more like, you put the bowl down and you're finished. You just stop moving. Staring at the wall is fine, because you're too out of your gourd to have any idea that you are staring at the wall. A small activity like reading, or paying attention to something, is out of the question. You'd have a better chance of counting to one sometime later on. None of that bothers you, because it feels so great, nothing like a mind or an activity could possibly make it any better.

I rarely got any sativa. One of the last times, I met someone new at a public place and while I was waiting...out of nowhere, the Strawberry Cough guy zings around the corner and drove right to me. Tried to sell me a selection of things other than weed, so, that was the last time we spoke. I wound up getting a bag of lanky, fluffy buds that were so light, a quarter filled the bag with only the flap folded over. I suppose that was some kind of sativa.

So even though I...can't legitimately attach a name to anything from the U. S. in over thirty years, I understand potency/effects at least a little bit, or enough to try to sort them.
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Old 09-29-2017, 07:39 PM #29
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How's this for a psychic connection....

I had a dream that goats were out of their pen eating cannabis.

Then I woke up, and goats were out of their pen eating cannabis.

Fortunately, it looks like they had only some leaves from Afghan & Himalayan Gold, but they also had two tops of the "supposed to be Sexbud". So that one is only half of what it was.

While de-escalating the situation, I noticed the Afghan is flowering at the tops, so it's all in the final phase now. The apparent reason for the escape is that the pen door was open.

We do have a 10 x 10 fence cube (i. e., has a roof) that would be goat resistant; I didn't use this because it would be impossible to conceal. If you wrapped it with tarps, then you'd have something that looks suspicious and might be putting the plants in shade. If I could do this openly, it would be perfect, but those days are yet to come.
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:13 AM #30
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As another tangent, from showing this genetic library to someone who saw the 80s greenhouse op I've been talking about, which one looks most like the "Hawaiian"....and...big surprise...Afghan. I guess a lot of people, myself included, never really knew what they had.

The nice thing now, is that, a *lot* of the tops are looking less like a 1/8th, and more like a 1/4. Starting on the older plants, with the onset of Autumn, there's a swoosh of yellow going across them, and it's likely that by harvest, which is probably when I will photo them, they will just be stalks of flowers. Nearly perfect ripening weather now...dry, sunny, and around 80ish for the foreseeable future.

Some of those plants probably could give you that sharp, 30 minute, character-less buzz, but I don't really want to rape this stuff too early. Since what might have been my pollen seems to have gotten blotted by a dog-hairy pillow, then, some of the lower branches and popcorn might be debatable. If so, snatching them soon would probably allow a few weeks' additional energy towards the main parts of the plants.

Kiss Dragon is maybe a little weird. Its lowest branches actually have some modestly plump tops; there just isn't much additional budding on the inner part of the plant. Although it is quite stretchy, the branches are very upright, so it winds up with a narrow chimney-shaped footprint.
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