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Tincture, Revisited
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Bon appetite IT!
Which one do you covet most and I will try to fill in the process nuances that I passed over lightly?
GW
Which one do you covet most and I will try to fill in the process nuances that I passed over lightly?
GW
ShonuFF504
New member
Check out this you tube vid unleash the dragon it shows you how to make tincture useing everclear.
Thanks SF! Good flick!
Define tincture. What Erik is demonstrating is what some of us old folks call green dragon, but we are of course so behind sometimes.
From a MMJ standpoint, although green dragon is technically a tincture, it is mostly just alcohol and as Erik noted, it is strong enough to burn your mouth.
When I discuss medical tincture, I define it as mostly cannabis oil with just enough alcohol in it to make it easy to handle. You can taste the alcohol, but it is so diluted with hash oil that it doesn't burn.
It is what Erik would have if he boiled it in alcohol for about two hours and then strained and cooked off most of the alcohol.
There is a devoted following for both, just wanted to highlight the differences.
An alcohol extracted tincture will also not be the same as a petroleum extracted tincture that has been cooked and re-suspended in alcohol.
GW
Define tincture. What Erik is demonstrating is what some of us old folks call green dragon, but we are of course so behind sometimes.
From a MMJ standpoint, although green dragon is technically a tincture, it is mostly just alcohol and as Erik noted, it is strong enough to burn your mouth.
When I discuss medical tincture, I define it as mostly cannabis oil with just enough alcohol in it to make it easy to handle. You can taste the alcohol, but it is so diluted with hash oil that it doesn't burn.
It is what Erik would have if he boiled it in alcohol for about two hours and then strained and cooked off most of the alcohol.
There is a devoted following for both, just wanted to highlight the differences.
An alcohol extracted tincture will also not be the same as a petroleum extracted tincture that has been cooked and re-suspended in alcohol.
GW
BigRigRob
Member
I've made "Green Dragon" many times & it sure works for me ( and all my friends ). 
http://www.greendragon.lhosting.info/
http://www.greendragon.lhosting.info/
if i remember correctly alcohol boils at 168.f . and i believe its the alcohol suspension where u actually place the thermometer.
there is a great tincture article that bigrigrob posted above in a link, post #25. GOOD READ
I found i can use less then 2oz of everclear to 1/8th.
I boil it longer to reduce the alcohol as well. grains some potent shit.
i found that cooking it prior to boiling it will make it much stronger. different effects for sure in my experience. had the tincture to 1/2tsp and it was still overpowering for normal situations for me. to each is own thou.
B-safe
Green Dragon is not tincture, it is a drink. If u want it to be more potent, boil some of the useless everclear off. But the best way is to Make BHO first out of your material, then when it is done add a lil Everclear to the jar. Put some veg oil in a pan, and get the oil to 230 degrees. Now double boil over 90 percent of that Everclear off, by keeping the temps of the oil bath between 230-240 F for about 30 min.
When you are done, there will be very little left in the jar....but what is left will work very well. Made some more last night, and 2 drops under the tounge had me feeling the effects from 6 pm and still felt it when I passed out at 230 am.
Using the BHO seems to work much better imo. BHO will strip your plant much better than just Everclear. The tincture will be Golden, where it would be Green if done with just Everclear. Doing it this way also uses much less Everclear, which I cannot get here at all...so I try not to waste it. Here is a chart about how temperature effects potency. 160 degrees F will take you all night to get the most out of it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2624922&postcount=31
Trust whomever you want, but I have had alot of practice lately on making tincture. If you do not double boil some of that Everclear off you will not like it nearly as much. Green dragon must be mixed with something, tastes like ass, and the dosage is not consistant. Tincture is the reduced version of green dragon. Good luck, and look at that chart...things should make more sense.
BTW, also read up on Gray Wolf's posts about tincture. He helped me out like I am helping you. I was not happy with results, until I did it his way. Good luck.
When you are done, there will be very little left in the jar....but what is left will work very well. Made some more last night, and 2 drops under the tounge had me feeling the effects from 6 pm and still felt it when I passed out at 230 am.
Using the BHO seems to work much better imo. BHO will strip your plant much better than just Everclear. The tincture will be Golden, where it would be Green if done with just Everclear. Doing it this way also uses much less Everclear, which I cannot get here at all...so I try not to waste it. Here is a chart about how temperature effects potency. 160 degrees F will take you all night to get the most out of it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2624922&postcount=31
Trust whomever you want, but I have had alot of practice lately on making tincture. If you do not double boil some of that Everclear off you will not like it nearly as much. Green dragon must be mixed with something, tastes like ass, and the dosage is not consistant. Tincture is the reduced version of green dragon. Good luck, and look at that chart...things should make more sense.
BTW, also read up on Gray Wolf's posts about tincture. He helped me out like I am helping you. I was not happy with results, until I did it his way. Good luck.
Hello again, Slow& -
You mention that you can't get 190 Everclear where you live. I can't either. I did buy a 1.75 liter bottle of it in North Carolina, shipped it back, & used it for tincture. I can't say I noticed a big enough difference in results to justify the expense & hassle of getting full strength Everclear as opposed to 151 Everclear. I'd use 190 if I could get it easily, & maybe it makes a bigger difference with your BHO method, but 151 seems to work just fine for me.
I found "Potter's West Indies Rum," 151, at BevMo, for a couple of bucks less than 151 Everclear, & decided to give it a try. Works a treat.
Also, just to quibble, Green Dragon is tincture. ; )
You mention that you can't get 190 Everclear where you live. I can't either. I did buy a 1.75 liter bottle of it in North Carolina, shipped it back, & used it for tincture. I can't say I noticed a big enough difference in results to justify the expense & hassle of getting full strength Everclear as opposed to 151 Everclear. I'd use 190 if I could get it easily, & maybe it makes a bigger difference with your BHO method, but 151 seems to work just fine for me.
I found "Potter's West Indies Rum," 151, at BevMo, for a couple of bucks less than 151 Everclear, & decided to give it a try. Works a treat.
Also, just to quibble, Green Dragon is tincture. ; )
boroboro
Member
Hey, thanks for the link to that chart, slowandeasy, I missed that the first time around. Glad that it confirms my preference for extended simmering. I've become fond putting a sealed jar of alcohol+cannabis in a pot of water, and simmering for a long time.
About consistency, or lack of it: This is why I don't reduce my Green Dragon, but leave it 'weak' with the full alcohol content that I started cooking with. I usually get an effective 'dose' that ranges from 5-8 droppers full (about 5-8ml). That's a pretty broad range, and I usually get close enough to the target that I get the right dose. I prefer a moderate dose, not using a lot of Green Dragon (I can't really function with a big dose, and I need to be straight enough to talk to people 24x7). Anyway, I like counting droppers full of green dragon better than counting individual drops in a concentrated tincture. YMMV
'tastes like ass': I suppose I agree, although I'm not very familiar with the taste of ass. I just mix well into a cup of tea, coffee, beer, etc.
gray wolf and slowandeasy, thank you so much for your contributions. And those that make tincture and use it sublingualy, do you find the effects to come on quicker than when you digest it via drops in drink, etc. Ive read others claiming sublingual dose should come on in 10-15 min, as opposed to digesting it which takes longer, 45-60 minutes.
True or bullshit?
True or bullshit?
robot,
You will get mild effects in 10-15 min, but full effects still take a little time to get into your bloodstream. But when it does, it is stronger and lasts longer in my experience.
Grumio, Green Dragon does not get reduced. I guess you could maybe consider it a tincture...but imho tincture should take drops...not Droppers full. Tincture is concentrated, Green Dragon is not. But if Wiki says it its, it must be true.
boroboro,
Whatever works for you, that is all that matters. The alcohol just dilutes it, and imho does not work as well. If u like the mild effects and drinking it, cool man.
You will get mild effects in 10-15 min, but full effects still take a little time to get into your bloodstream. But when it does, it is stronger and lasts longer in my experience.
Grumio, Green Dragon does not get reduced. I guess you could maybe consider it a tincture...but imho tincture should take drops...not Droppers full. Tincture is concentrated, Green Dragon is not. But if Wiki says it its, it must be true.
boroboro,
Whatever works for you, that is all that matters. The alcohol just dilutes it, and imho does not work as well. If u like the mild effects and drinking it, cool man.
"A solution of a medicinal substance in an alcoholic menstruum," according to my dictionary.
If you're keen to differentiate what you make from "Green Dragon," maybe you could call it "hash oil drops," which would be accurate. But strictly speaking they are both tincture.
No offense intended. This is a pretty trivial matter.
Call it what you want, as long as it works. By definition, yes it is a tincture. You are correct sir! It has the same amount of THC, just more menstruum. But when I think of tincture it is in drops, not droppers. Anyone who makes Green Dragon and expects to get effects from 2 drops will be highly disappointed. It will take droppers full instead of drops. The extra alcohol serves no purpose. To each is own.
Dear Gray Wolf,
Thank you for this post! I am treating several problems with mmj, including skin cancer, and I make all my tinctures and salves. My finances are tight so I'm working with tiny amounts of herb, including trim and most recently, I'm experimenting with tincturing herb that has been processed for bubble hash. If you are still posting to this site I'd like to discuss in more detail some of the things you mention, like how to recognize when Everclear is saturated. Thanks, Kathleen
TripleAOnly
Member
new tincture:
fill tube with 4-7 girls of green. place coffee filter on one end. Run butane through tube let it run thru filter. put it only a pan... burn off butane.
Voila: 99% active ingredient oil
fill tube with 4-7 girls of green. place coffee filter on one end. Run butane through tube let it run thru filter. put it only a pan... burn off butane.
Voila: 99% active ingredient oil
