Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
So fine, where did they come from in 1969 as the Haze Brothers never made extra seeds or sold seeds? It is a nice story but it has no basis in facts. Unless you can explain where the seeds came from in 1969 it is all just a bunch of talk. I don't think Shantibaba knows the real truth, he was not there in 1969, and anyone could of made up anything about seeds to sell them to MNSeed Co, but I bet if you ask he got them from Neville, and then I do know the truth and it is not as you say.
Anyway enough of this, you were not there, you are repeating the stories of others who were not their, no one you talk to was there, and it is a waste of my time to argue with somone who in fact does not have any idea or know the truth about what happened in 1969 or 1984 with Original Haze.
You have no idea how close I was to the Haze Bros and it bum's me out that people so far removed form the events try and tell me what happened, remember I was there.
You're right Sam, I wasnt there. Never claimed to be mate, but we as growers/customers of the various seedbanks like to discuss things such as this becuase its our money that goes for these varietys.
Some of us take this all very seriously, and even the smallest detail is considered a morsel. I can only bring information to this thread that I obtain from the most reliable sources available.
I have no reason to doubt Neville and Shantibaba, but I can see your position clearly Sam. In my experience through the years, the people at MNS have been very honest and forth right with me and others. They are the only bank that stands behind their seeds 100%. Thats something I would call admirable and is a sign of deep rooted honesty. They sell a product, and want their customers to be happy. If their customers are not happy, they go out of their way to make it right. Thats the hallmark of an honest man and an honest company.
So I have no reason to call Neville or Shantibaba a liar. But the information is available for all to decipher. There is no reason for information to be held tight, hidden away from the masses. Its the history of the varietys and industry that many of us are very passionate about. So the facts, whatever they may be are always something extremely valuable in a historical context.