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Old 12-20-2016, 11:43 AM #11
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Wow.. Very moving life story.. You sir have skills!
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Interesting life, i hope from now things will go in better direction.

I have two questions for you:
Did you ever try mixing your own nutrients (from lets say pure elements) and what formula was best for you? At the moment I am using this with tap water (i know the elements in tap water):
N P K Mg Ca S Si
138 87 200 60 150 153 48

Fe Mn Zn Mo Cu B
4,5 2,3 0,7 0,3 0,5 1,0

And other question - how in your experience is it better to approach lighting design? Are ceiling lights and many of them overlapping better than light over growing bed/system?
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Yes the story of a surviver ,looks like things can only get better now for u and family best of luck for you, and thanks for posting again great grow skills to share.Bud
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Old 12-20-2016, 10:26 PM #14
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Thank you sir. Years of hard work and thousands of hours of reading and applying... It has had it's ups and downs. I'm still fighting my last bust...

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Interesting life, i hope from now things will go in better direction.

I have two questions for you:
Did you ever try mixing your own nutrients (from lets say pure elements) and what formula was best for you? At the moment I am using this with tap water (i know the elements in tap water):
N P K Mg Ca S Si
138 87 200 60 150 153 48

Fe Mn Zn Mo Cu B
4,5 2,3 0,7 0,3 0,5 1,0
Thank you! I did, in the past. But at the end of the day I had to ask myself; "Self, am I really as experienced at mixing nutes as Peters? Do I have the same level of training, years of experience, and friendly, helpful attitude?" No. No, I don't. So I stuck with Jack's per Delta9's ratio.

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And other question - how in your experience is it better to approach lighting design? Are ceiling lights and many of them overlapping better than light over growing bed/system?
With traditional hoods and 1kw, 4x4 with the squarest hoods I could find provided the best overlap. Especially when you consider how I harvest. Say I'm running a 9 week strain. I have 9 lights. The last plant in the row is ready to be harvested, and the one beside it just got brought in. Sooo, you get tons of overlap onto the more mature plants, because of the difference in stretch and age. It means you have to raise and lower lights, but that is worth it.

At the end of the day, this design, with the plants literally growing around the light at optimum light distance (about 21" - check with a par meter, brought the absolute highest yields and most consistent product. The plants ready to harvest would have easily broken 3 pounds. But only the thieves that call themselves police will ever know.

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Thank you too sir.

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Old 12-20-2016, 11:16 PM #15
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The Design.

This show was built with simplicity in mind. All off the shelf parts. Wal-mart, Lowes, Home DePot, any hydro store. I was there for trimming and nutrient tank change-outs. The rest of the job is a few hours a day tops, handled by the patient and her 20 year old son. My goal was the four-hour work week. Thank you Tim Ferris for the inspiration.

I stayed away from RDWC type systems for one reason. They inevitably fail. They eventually cause crop failure from one of many things: Power loss, root rot, evil magic, Pepsi in the res, etc. It is next to impossible to tell what type of nutrients are still dancing around the reservoir that the plants have not taken up. Not without expensive equipment.

So, this design is hybridized Bato Buckets / PPK. The Dosers feed Part A and B through the tap water (70 degree, 110 ppm, but I've run successfully over 450 ppm tap) every two (was 4 at first) hours. Off the shelf Orbit Lawn Watering system on a computer battery backup. Later simplifications have removed the need for the timer and battery backup. The plants now water themselves. The buckets are connected to a control bucket (an extra part, but useful in case of extreme root growth) with a heavy duty float. The water level goes down enough from wicking action, they get top fed from the dosers.

The plants were flooded 2 minutes every 4 hours and they drain into the 5 gallon buckets. The buckets are connected together at about 4 inches down from the top, so each site would hold about 4 gal of water, to reduce the P.W.T. and to water as redundancy, in case of power outage. (No money for a generator)

As you can see in the picture above, the roots did not make it to the water. I suspect this is because the plants had plenty of room to grow in the fabric pots. According to my research, the best growth in all forms of media occur in fabric pots with a wick. Caliper sizes on hardwoods tell me that you could get substantially more weight off of 7 gal than I got inside. Perhaps I will try a smaller pot and see if the roots won't grow down into the water - "Kratky Style".

I used BCuzz coco, because it was easy for the patient to use. Later cost savings measures forced the use of coco bricks, which is extra labor. The trade-off is that labor is cheap. The lights are old school 1kw hortilux. The netting is just dog fencing from Lowes.

All plants from the rooted cuttings through flower are fed Jacks at 750ppm (600ppm left some strains deficient). All respect to Delta9; I love you. I'm going to say this, and probably get a black eye for it, but call me Morpheus - we live in The Matrix and liquid nutrients (and any other snake oil) is the Blue Pill. Delta 9 is the Oracle. Jacks was probably developed for Pot farmers. The yield is outstanding, the quality is every-bit as good as anything I've had so far in the Emerald Triangle.

In a pinch, Dynogro Grow works from veg to flower. The plants were healthy; so healthy in fact that we never got bugs. Except for the spider. I never flush, they get fed 750 ppm from clone to harvest. Clean white ash. No harshness, unless I dried it too fast. The only way I could have improved upon my quality would have been better environmental controls, but money was too tight (total investment was less than 12k).

A trimming tip I picked up from an organic vegetable farmer. Dip your colas in lukewarm (NOT COLD) tap-water before trimming. You wash off anything that may have gotten on your bud and you never have to clean your scissors. Saves soooo much time. Try it. They dry (as long as you are drying properly) just like normal and they lose no crystals (as long as the water is NOT COLD). You're welcome, unless you like hippy crack...

Edit: I am undecided on the best method of trimming. To save time trimming by hand, I trim all at once. She comes out of flower, I cut her down and trim her, then hang her at 78f, 57% for about 7 days. Usually she is perfect. I learned this from a guy who has grown commercially for way longer than me. However, I see guys hang the plants allowing them to dry naturally, then dry trimming by hand or by machine and their product doesn't look like it loses as many crystals as you might suspect. The final product seems the same. I am undecided on the method, when it comes to efficiency.

Eventually, I was able to take clones the old fashioned way, but as you can see in one of the pictures above, the mother was laying on her side (green bucket) and her branches are the plants growing around her. It was difficult to manage the growth of the canopies, but it saved on plant numbers, because technically - it is one plant.

The little bonsai tree on the floor to the left is my SuperMom... god rest her soul. She was a few years old, with grafts on her of strains I had collected the previous ten years. All gone. And people ask why I hate the police... It literally took me a hundred tries to get her right...

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Old 12-20-2016, 11:48 PM #16
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I know this is the worst grow journal or tutorial ever, but, I just felt I had to share. I am going to use this project to apply for my Black Belt in Six Sigma. The whole goal was to obey Einstein and "Simplify, always simplify". The best part is that as I simplified, I got better as a gardener. Each bust, each bad partner, each crappy employee; they all forced me to do more with less. So, again I ask, "Who knows what is good, or what is bad?". I think this is the cheapest, most efficient way to grow, period.

This grow was originally running on a 60 amp service panel. Safely. In less than 1000 square feet. 10-12lb a month. Anyone can do it. Especially if I can. I'm not a genius to figure this stuff out.

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Old 12-21-2016, 12:44 AM #17
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Okay to simplify your description of your method;
Take clone
Veg it out for how long?
Top or FIM it?
Replant in finishing pot with screen
How tall is the screen and what diameter?
Drop a 1k in the middle
Harvest
Right?
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All in coco with top(?) auto watering/feeding
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Okay to simplify your description of your method;
Take clone
Veg it out for how long?
Top or FIM it?
Replant in finishing pot with screen
How tall is the screen and what diameter?
Drop a 1k in the middle
Harvest
Right?
Most of the extra work in this grow was just managing one plant into multiple plants, ready to go into flower. But yes, after we got another patient card, things simplified.

Take cutting in 32oz potato salad container (GFS) that is drilled out like a smart pot, filled with coco fiber and watered in with the same water everything else gets. After about 10 days, it will be fully rooted to the cup (if you did your job right). Then it can go into the 7 gal under 1kw mh. Use NugBuckets MainLine method to build the canopy.



Veg it until you know that the plant will finish it's stretch at the top of the flower cage. This is the most work, because it requires you to dial in your strain, really well. Most take 3-6 weeks, even with the superfast dwc like growth. Because of the canopy maintenance.

Most of the canopy work is done while she is little, the rest is like maintaining a tomato vine, inside the tomato cage. Prune suckers. "Leafing" kills yield. Period. Think, giant pumpkins - do they pull the leaves off?? Hell no. They remove sucker flowers.

Then take her tomato cage up and out (if you vegged her inside the cage, no ties are needed) and move her into flower. Open her up like a giant flower and tie her tips to the bottom (or higher for indicas) of the flower cage.





We built our screens 4 feet tall, to take full advantage of a 1kw light. We know that at 18 inches away from the bulb, you can get a 4x4 canopy. Well at 21 inches (or so) and vertical, you get a much bigger canopy, closer to optimum uMol. These pictures, the screen was at 19 inches from the edge of the bulbs glass housing. This was two years ago, so I am not sure the exact diameter. But you can figure it out pretty easy, me thinks.

Then flower her. And watch the magic of the DTW PPK happen.



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Coco, 7 gal fabric pots, Jacks at 750, dtw, top fed from a 1/4 T, until runoff, every 4 hours. Rope wick from the bottom of the bucket, to the top of the fabric pot. Drain-to-Waste Passive Plant Killer. So easy your grandmother with fibromyalgia could do it.

Yields, 40 ounces a piece was the average for Blue Dream. All Colas. No larf. Sour Cream Diesel would kill 3lb and the LSD with an 8 week veg, probably would have topped 4lb. Only the Mi Staties will ever know.
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