1st serious try growing built pretty nice DIY CAB Input please

They started about a week old they were getting root bound and I switched pots and I've been fine since but I think they're getting root bound again and that's why they're starting to fade again I may be wrong I don't know this is my first grow the transplanting it last time they seem to really boom afterward

maybe they need some nutrients as well?

Possible over water. There doesn't appear to be much perlite in your soil mix so they could be drowning a little bit. Many possibilities. Overwater will definitely make them look nute starved after a little bit.

Yea first grow dont know too much about nutes would definately be open to some enlightenment on nutes feel free to drop some knowledge on me no could use lil more perlite was premixed but i added more i only water when top of soils dry bout every 3 days

And on another note I plan on getting 2 more sockets and two more bulbs to put in the middle of the six in the flowering chamber should I do two 5500 K bulbs in middle of six 2700k bulbs or all 2700k would like to know I'm purchasing these tomorrow if i can get some input on mixing the spectrum a lil or straight 2700ks lmk please

You're off to a good start here bud.....couple of suggestions for ya since youre asking for opinions.....

I've been running a Dr. Budgreengenes style compact SOG with cfls for going on 5yrs now. I flower most of my strains when they are 3-4" tall for sativa dominants and 4-6" tall with indica dominants. My cab is 21" from the floor to the bulbs. 7x42w cfls in my flower chamber. 2.7sqft of flower area. I use 24oz soda bottles with the top cut off and a bunch of drainage holes in the bottoms, the pots end up about 6-8" tall. The clones finish as a single cola/budsicle at about 16-18" and produce at least 7g dried per girl. I have had some that made 14g dried. My record is 62g wet. I pull 6 clones a week when the cab is running at full capacity. An once a week is very doable.

I use dimpled reflectix insulation(kinda like bubble wrap with mylar on both sides) instead of white paint. I have found over the years that it does a better job reflecting light than white paint. The patten helps diffuse as it reflects and I get more even light distrubution in the lower parts of the canopy. I use sprayed on contact cement to mount it with. The reflectix cleans very easy and will also help keep your cab from sinking heat into itself.

I am also a professional cabinetmaker. I would eventually rebuild this cab using something other than OSB. 19mm Baltic Birch ply or 3/4" laminated particleboard would be my choice. OSB, even when painted is very porous and will swell and warp if(when) you have a spill. It will also be outgassing the urea formaldahyde glue used to form all those chips into sheetstock for a long time . I have cut over 14,000 sheets of OSB into store displays over the last 2 years running cnc machinces. Its really nasty shit once you start cutting it or get it hot. Im no chemist or botanist, but I would be a bit concerned about my plants transpiring formaldahyde and it ending up in my buds in trace amounts.

Ive ran this cab as a SOG, SCROGed it, LST'ed for a few cycles ,all kinds of ways. Bigger pots,smaller pots, organic soil with brewed teas, chemical ferts, you name it, I've probabbly messed with it in there. Over time, SOG yields best but is a shit ton of work to keep watered and gets you into some pretty serious plant numbers. My cab can hold nearly 50 flowering clones when full, so when you count rooted clones in veg and bonsai mothers, you're running 75ish plants at any given time. Not so cool in a non med/rec state.
Like someone said earlier, patience...dont cut corners anymore than your wallet will allow. It will bite you on the ass later.....

Im more than happy to help ya wherever I can. PM me if you like....

Thank you for the input 311devon thats some good information glad to see a comparison of my height restraints and your method would love to pull once a week will definately be taking you up on some help right now im trying to figure out if using mix of 2700k lights and couple 5500k for flowering or just straight 2700k bulbs thoughts on that and plants were all rootbound as i suspected hoping to find 3 rectangle pots that fit perfectly in my space this is how these 3 will probably have to finish unless i find some better pots tomorrow looking good had to water just tad for new soil to get lil wet heres pic

They look overwatered to me, bro. Maybe heat stressed too.....What are your temps peaking at? It doesnt look like you have enough ventilation from my experience.
I think your pot size is more than adequate, maybe even a touch big. If I top my girls they develop into a 10" diameter bush instead of a budsicle and thats in about 20oz of medium. If I were to put them in something as large as what you are using now, I would run no more than 3 at a time in the 2.7ft I have. You can pack a shit ton of roots into a tiny space. I'll post some pics for ya soon, gotta get to bed, im up WAY too late....lol....You can see some OLD pics in my gallery as well.

As for your girlfriend's bitchin, I'd just feed her more penis. Makes it hard for her to talk.

Lol i hear that on the girlfriend thing lmfao but yea idk i pulled one out the pot and the 1 quart 6 in diameter pots roots were wrapped around the bottom in circles so i figured they had to move up a size i was probably wrong still getting things notched in

heres a few pics for ya.....

budsicles....



Inside my mother/veg/cloning box...6 x23w cfls......These are seeds that are a few weeks old. They are in the bigger pots because they were going to become bonasi mothers. All turned out to be males and were culled. Notice the big square air intake hole. There are two of these and a fart fan exhausting the cab. Intakes need to be about 4x the size of your exhaust.



Another inside the "mama box"---you can see the fart fan here. The plant in front is a overgrown bonsai mother. My Cloning rig is behind mama. The cream colored tote is an experiment in doing micro soilbeds, these girls are too wet at the moment. I was still dialing in on watering frequency when this pic was taken. Pepper start for my garden at far right.


Heres what happens if I top them.....no bueno


and a lil bud porn..........

Those are some good looking pics and nice for 24 oz bottles got me rethinking my pots and grow setup my temps run perfect my leds dont put off much heat about to add 2 more bulbs to flowering chamber total of 8 bulbs probably put big container in veg chamber and flower the 2 smaller ones see where this grow goes about to run by sutherlands, ace hardware, then lowes, and walmart get this box tweaked just right

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i pulled one out the pot and the 1 quart 6 in diameter pots roots were wrapped around the bottom in circles so i figured they had to move up a size i was probably wrong still getting things notched in

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Were the roots mostly concentrated at the bottom of the soil mass? Or grown evenly throughout and ringed around the soilmass from top to bottom?

I could see roots throughout all the medium then wrapped up alot at bottoms definately more at bottom all wrapped up soil is fairly loose with perlite water has no problem running through medium to drain out i was going to take pics but didnt want to manhandle the plants more than necessary those 2 smaller ones im using now are 2 quarts each do just tad over half gallon and the big black one is lil over 4 quarts or lil over gallon so itl need vegged alot longer too fill the medium with roots was thinking of going ahead and flowering the 2 smaller ones what would you do? Repot them all im at loss here lol starting to think my box too small i do have the veg chamber and flower chamber but man not sure lol

What you got will work, no need to revamp at this point, bro..... I'd leave em in the pots they are in. I'd flower em as soon as I can see nice white roots poking thru the media on the bottom of the pot. When watering, I would also gently(i.e. slowly) submerge them right to the top of the pot until all the bubbling stops. The set them to drain at bit of an angle for 20-30 mins or until they stop dripping. As the initial mass of water drains it will replace the gasses that bubbled out by pulling air into the media similar to a the way a siphon works. This only works if you submerge them over the top of the soil mass, let them bubble out totally and drain them very well. need lots of holes in the bottom of your pots. The are 11 3/16" holes in those dew bottles. Some have slots that wide and they work even better. If you have another pot lke that, fill it will your media and water it with your plants next time. leave it coverd and outside of your grow, then you can compare its weight to the plants. When they are ready for more water you will be able to tell a marked difference between your control pot with no plant and the girls.
If they overgrow your cab in flower and get real crowded, I would just thin them down so they focus on growing 10 or so good colas each. This will help get ya away from the bush I showed ya with 50 marble sized lil nugs. Air will flow better that way as well.

Yea i hear you got my 2 sockets and 2 more bulbs flower room will be running 8 leds At 80 watts 7000 lumen pretty much doesnt sound like much but these leds are working great honestly and went and got 4 1 gallon square containers think theyll be perfect for future grows we'll see lol been lots of upgrading as ive gone

Keep adding light as you can afford to. Get that baby up to 6 or 7000 lumens/ft eventually. 3500-4000/ft will do it, but 7000 is disco mode....
You were asking about 2700k vs. 5500k bulbs. Eventually, a lil bit of blue will help get all the potency you have in your genes, but everything needs to be spot on and rocking for this to really matter from my exp. Also helps if you know your strain's lil quirks well to take advantage of the extra blue. Tons of guys have grown a shit ton of killer pot with just HPS or 2700k cfls. (or LED'S)
I would also recommend to start out using K.I.S.S method for your nute program. There is better stuff out there, but more complex and more $$$. K.I.S.S. is cheap, simple and it works well.
Hope I'm not coming off like Mr. Professor.... just pouring my brain at ya.....there are tons of valid ways to do this. Weed is the most adaptable, miraculous plant Ive ever come across. Many ways to skin this cat.

I hear you and on the lumens and led's blynx has a phenominal post on lux output of lights which is measurement of light at a certain point which LED's beat cfls 20 out of 10 times because cfls light goes in all directions leds point straight down to plants while im impressed and have used cfls growing and they work perfectly fine these LED's run at less than half the power per bulb and do just as good if not better lighting than cfl's and i just added 2 more bulbs tonight

LED's are great when used right. I know a guy who is kickin some ass with em. Didnt mean to exclude them. Previous post corrected......

O no your good 311devon i was just putting fyi im new so im not sure how new these LED's are to people new to me so was just putting a source and they are working great using mostly veg bulbs atm will switch in 2700k with all but 2 in middle for flowering

So even with 2 extra lights and bigger pots equaling less air to heat up in chamber temps are still running too low night and day around 65 lights on 54 right now lights off thinking reflectix double reflective insulation is quite thick think it would bump my temps up to where i need and ive seen a shit ton of people use it on here, would it be just as effective as flat white paint as far as reflecting light, i know it will hold heat better obviously its insulation but like to hear some thoughts while i still have lil money to burn lol
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