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Old 06-29-2020, 01:10 PM #51
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The technique for manufacturing the Ulfbreht sword came from Persia, not somewhere in Europe, so probably they experienced the smoking of hashish over there too.
Passing along technology is different then passing plant knowledge. For instance I doubt the Persians were eating Amanita mushrooms because they had contact with the Vikings. Psychoactive cannabis strains weren't documented in Scandinavia until the 1960s. The Vikings were growing hemp. No pipes, didn't bring any back from the New World. Scandinavians like their sweats, maybe they were vaporizing hemp seeds or even some flowering tops but no THC. There's nothing in Viking culture to hint at hashish use. Viking world travelers traveling to Persia and getting high. Or a trader bringing back a box of hashish incense sticks. Is different then a population that breeds hashplants and produces sifted hash, uses it as part of their religious and/or cultural tradition.

The new Paul Stamets mushroom film includes Stamets talking about eating Amanita Muscaria. I'd never heard a credible account of the effects. It sounds terrible. He talks about how they cause a repetitive action loop. His example, he was holding a camera and dropped it, broke it. He kept picking it up and dropping it again. Over and over and over.
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The technique for manufacturing the Ulfbreht sword came from Persia, not somewhere in Europe, so probably they experienced the smoking of hashish over there too.

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If I was a Viking - then I would definitely try smoking the resinous flowers of cannabis plants - but in all seriousness I think that the Vikings grew hemp/cannabis primarily for food, clothing - rope and ship/building materials - as most ancient/old societies did -

- Without Hemp Cannabis - there might not have been any British Empire - because according to Jack Herer - nearly half the weight of a sailing ship was made from hemp - from the sails - to the rigging - to the sailors clothing - to the Captains log-books and more - hemp was used to help get these ships around the world - to discover and conquer new lands -
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Passing along technology is different then passing plant knowledge. For instance I doubt the Persians were eating Amanita mushrooms because they had contact with the Vikings. Psychoactive cannabis strains weren't documented in Scandinavia until the 1960s. The Vikings were growing hemp. No pipes, didn't bring any back from the New World. Scandinavians like their sweats, maybe they were vaporizing hemp seeds or even some flowering tops but no THC. There's nothing in Viking culture to hint at hashish use. Viking world travelers traveling to Persia and getting high. Or a trader bringing back a box of hashish incense sticks. Is different then a population that breeds hashplants and produces sifted hash, uses it as part of their religious and/or cultural tradition.

The new Paul Stamets mushroom film includes Stamets talking about eating Amanita Muscaria. I'd never heard a credible account of the effects. It sounds terrible. He talks about how they cause a repetitive action loop. His example, he was holding a camera and dropped it, broke it. He kept picking it up and dropping it again. Over and over and over.
Amanita muscaria grows in northern countries and so far as i know not in Persia.Cannabis grows everywhere.
Scythians threw the Cannabis plants in the fire in the tent and inhaled the smoke, according to Herodotus.Sort of way could be done by Vikings also.
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If I was a Viking - then I would definitely try smoking the resinous flowers of cannabis plants - but in all seriousness I think that the Vikings grew hemp/cannabis primarily for food, clothing - rope and ship/building materials - as most ancient/old societies did -

- Without Hemp Cannabis - there might not have been any British Empire - because according to Jack Herer - nearly half the weight of a sailing ship was made from hemp - from the sails - to the rigging - to the sailors clothing - to the Captains log-books and more - hemp was used to help get these ships around the world - to discover and conquer new lands -
One can find ropewalks anyplace the ships went.
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Amanita muscaria grows in northern countries and so far as i know not in Persia
Actually that was one of the dumber things I've written in a while. I forgot about the theory that the Soma/Haoma of the Rig Veda and Zoroastrian Avesta was Amanita Muscaria. You guys should have nailed my ass. There's a Fly Agaric Muscaria look-alike that grows in Iran but nobody's tested it for Muscarine. You make my point though, no hashplants in Norway, no Muscarias in Iran. That's what I meant.

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Scythians threw the Cannabis plants in the fire in the tent and inhaled the smoke, according to Herodotus.Sort of way could be done by Vikings also.
Yeah that's what I meant by this...

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Scandinavians like their sweats, maybe they were vaporizing hemp seeds or even some flowering tops but no THC.
If you read Herodotus closely and test what the Scythians were actually burning at their funerals, in their burial urn vaporizers, they were burning aromatic seed mixes. Hemp seeds, coriander seeds, poppy seeds, etc. To get a thick gnarly smelly smoke to purify themselves. The reason they were screaming and weeping and needed purification was because it was a funeral.

The earlier tests by the Russians when they thought their was THC in the Scythian cannabis was a fuck up. They were testing at a police drug lab and weren't as careful as they could have been, likely contaminated the samples. Other people didn't find the THC. Of course CBD is present in hemp, it has all sorts of medical effects, but doesn't get you high. And the Scythians could have gotten hashplants from West China. Anyway..

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It seems like we talked about this before, I don't want to look it up again. But I don't think the Vikings used hemp for their ropes. They had a different plant they used. Maybe I'll find it later.
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^The theory is indeed that one of the ingredients in Soma might have been Amanitas.
I have never myself bothered to look into that this mushroom grew/grows into the Persia region or not. If I have the chance one day, I might look into it.
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I looked it up, there's 6 different types of Amanita that have been proven to grow in Iran. (Historic Persia is much larger) Plus a bunch of other stuff that hasn't been documented by science, including something likely in the Muscaria-Pantheria complex. There's enough temperate forest and mountains in northern Iran that it's not surprising.

Personally I don't think the Muscarias fit the description. Here's a link to Stamet's description of the effects. On Rogan's show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ6Y...0s&app=desktop

Where I live in Washington they grow all over. Everything from the tan panther caps, yellow and orange variations, and the bright red Fly Agaric. I don't and won't fuck with them.

The psilocybins are a different story. Out of the drugs I've tried they come closest to the effects I'd expect from Soma. Pure bliss with no down side. Even when I've had a bad trip it's amazing. There's so many things about life, the world, that suck. Almost everything. It's like God or some other clown said, 'Here mankind, I know everything sucks but I'll give you one thing that's just great, spectacular. And if your eyes are sharp you can find it, it grows all over the world. Don't have to labor or pay money it just pops up on the ground. when it rains. Be cool!'

Robert C Clarke makes a good case for soma being cannabis in one of his books. Or maybe there's brahmins in India that still make it and know the secret. I've heard a story basically describing that.
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^I agree, Fly Agaric wouldn't be the best candidate. Possible it was added to the mixture, but unlikely.

I think that there might have been many variations in the preparation. My personal opinion is that Soma is made with what was locally available and/or traded and not just a fixed mixture of ingredients.

Here was Terence McKenna has to say about Amanitas and Soma:

In his book Food of the Gods, ethnobotanist Terence McKenna postulates that the most likely candidate for soma is the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom that grows in cow dung in certain climates. McKenna cites both Wasson's and his own unsuccessful attempts using Amanita muscaria to reach a psychedelic state as evidence that it could not have inspired the worship and praise of soma. McKenna further points out that the 9th mandala of the Rig Veda makes extensive references to the cow as the embodiment of soma.
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I don't know if the natives did smoke in New Foundland Canada.The Vikings did visit the New World before Columbus in the 12-13 th century.You can still visit the only settlement which was found from the Vikings.



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