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Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II
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Pédetoddy
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Purple Haze x Malawi from guerilla, 2 plants 2 kilograms of dried bud
an amazing yield growing in guerilla whitout wattering (except the first month seedling in party cups).
Purple Haze x Malawi from guerilla, 2 plants 2 kilograms of dried bud
In Biodynamic they water plant only on repot... claim goes that in this
way plant develops in "fighter" for water and establish much better
roots that goes deeper and can survive any drought..
Congrats on good harvest...
CMH is known to have the closest to the real spectrum of all the bulbs, except GaN on GaN LED which aparently simulate proper sunlight.
HPS produces a red shifted light with heavy production of yellow and a notoriously low K compared to the CMH (as you describe, up to 4K-K which is more similar to actual sunlight ca.5K-K) maybe increasing blue spectrum you achieve more of a cerebral high, if I were to base my logic on your findings. I wonder if it has to do with seasonal adaptations from the plant (more blues when the tilt of the earth favors the sun vs towards the autum the tilt away from the sun lenses the light towards the reds)...
The high from the special Neville's Haze pheno I grew indoors was almost exactly like Thai weed grown in Thailand. Dismissing this significant evidence sounds to me like not wanting to be wrong. Even if one dismisses this because Neville's Haze was bred in Amsterdam, one is conceding that it is breeding and genetics, and not intense sunshine that is responsible for the high. Something to ponder, I would think.
B.T.W., I dispute that Haze was bred in Amsterdam. In my opinion, the breed was held in Amsterdam, perhaps with some influence, but the lions share of the breeding was in Colombian, Thailand, etc. California and perhaps Australia, among other places, might have had as much or more influence than Amsterdam. I don't think you will ever believe all of this because you didn't experience California weed in the 1970s, before the pollution of the pure ganja genetics by plants bred for hash. Because of the lack of experience, you would have to trust other people's word. Why should you? We might be stuck. Then again, didn't some of the strains with the best reputation in Amsterdam come through the west coast of the United States?
Self protective behavior is very human. Most people want to believe that weed is stronger today. (Yay us!) People regularly question my memory of how good Thai weed was even though I found something in a pack of Neville's Haze that was just like Thai Stick 20+ years after the last time I smoked Thai weed. People also want to believe that these old strains are unintentional "landraces" but strains of today are purposely bred "cultivars". In my opinion, this is nothing more than arrogance getting in the way of facts, some of them obvious facts. It's not our fault for the breeding choices we make, and the pinnacle of breeding that is Thai Stick was due to the dumb luck of location of primitive/unsophisticated people.
OMG, this post includes some really touchy subjects. This doesn't mean that shouldn't discuss them. What are we all here on ICMAG for anyway?
Yesum - I enjoy your posts. Just because I'm challenging some of your beliefs doesn't mean that I don't appreciate your contributions. Quite the contrary. Keep up the good work. Challenging my thought processes helps me adjust, fine tune, or disregard my conclusions if I am able to suspend my ego and self reflect.
ThaiBliss
The high from the special Neville's Haze pheno I grew indoors was almost exactly like Thai weed grown in Thailand. Dismissing this significant evidence sounds to me like not wanting to be wrong. Even if one dismisses this because Neville's Haze was bred in Amsterdam, one is conceding that it is breeding and genetics, and not intense sunshine that is responsible for the high. Something to ponder, I would think.
B.T.W., I dispute that Haze was bred in Amsterdam. In my opinion, the breed was held in Amsterdam, perhaps with some influence, but the lions share of the breeding was in Colombian, Thailand, etc. California and perhaps Australia, among other places, might have had as much or more influence than Amsterdam. I don't think you will ever believe all of this because you didn't experience California weed in the 1970s, before the pollution of the pure ganja genetics by plants bred for hash. Because of the lack of experience, you would have to trust other people's word. Why should you? We might be stuck. Then again, didn't some of the strains with the best reputation in Amsterdam come through the west coast of the United States?
Self protective behavior is very human. Most people want to believe that weed is stronger today. (Yay us!) People regularly question my memory of how good Thai weed was even though I found something in a pack of Neville's Haze that was just like Thai Stick 20+ years after the last time I smoked Thai weed. People also want to believe that these old strains are unintentional "landraces" but strains of today are purposely bred "cultivars". In my opinion, this is nothing more than arrogance getting in the way of facts, some of them obvious facts. It's not our fault for the breeding choices we make, and the pinnacle of breeding that is Thai Stick was due to the dumb luck of location of primitive/unsophisticated people.
OMG, this post includes some really touchy subjects. This doesn't mean that shouldn't discuss them. What are we all here on ICMAG for anyway?
Yesum - I enjoy your posts. Just because I'm challenging some of your beliefs doesn't mean that I don't appreciate your contributions. Quite the contrary. Keep up the good work. Challenging my thought processes helps me adjust, fine tune, or disregard my conclusions if I am able to suspend my ego and self reflect.
ThaiBliss
Well maybe I am being closed minded, I said I would like to wrong here. I doubt I will ever be taken as a great mind on cannabis and do not really care about that.
I started smoking pot in '74 and in California just so you know. Lower grades mostly unlike you. Lived here all my life. My point was you take a heirloom from being grown outdoors under sun that is much more intense and then grow it under less intense sun or indoors, well it might not work out so good.
Southern California where I am is hot and has good sun, Oregon can have the same I am sure. Still is fairly weak sunlight compared to being much closer to the equator and or up in mountains.
Nevils Haze is a line continued in Holland and acclimated to it, I know it was from stuff grown elsewhere. How come the many Thai strains and other equatorial lines you grow never quite hit the spot? I wish you luck though for sure. If I thought it hopeless I would quit myself.
Hawaii is volcanic, so not only the sun that counts, but also what is in the soil, which is full of important minerals, is that counts.
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romanoweed
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Use reflective Materials like mylar at the North-Side of the plant to increase Sunlight possibly 20 Percent to make up for 30 Percent higher equatorial Light on Equator than 45 Degree North, eventually? I would try it , would i not doo guerilla only..
look:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=360394&page=4
Variety is the Spice of Life
Variety is the Spice of Life
It seems you have an affinity for Mexican weed. The first few years I smoked was Mexican only. Wonderful stuff that dried up for me in the early 70s. The only really great stuff I got from Mexico after then might have been Mexican Red Hair. I remember that stuff some years later after Colombian became popular and common.
Other strains that hit the spot:
Neville's Haze - Some phenos better than Thai Stick. No doubt Thai and/or S. Indian is in that lineage. No way Neville's Haze is Colombian and hash plant only. Just no way.
Bangi Haze - The couple of phenos I found are as clean and clear as any I have smoked. These are A+ top of the line quality of high. I wish they were stronger, but I'd have to be a real whiner to complain about this stuff.
Kali Mist - Is similar to Thai weed. The pheno I was gifted has the electric buzz to it. I crossed it to the genetics I grow, and it was the best stuff I grew even though it was harvested in mid November. It was better than my stuff, and my stuff hits the spot. I sometimes go several years before anyone turns me on to weed better than mine. Kali Mist made mine better.
I think you misunderstand why I continue to search, and interpret it as "never quite hit the spot".
#1) Variety is the spice of life. If all weed was exactly like the best I ever smoked, I would get bored. The whole point of my incessant whining is that lots more variety used to exist. Most weed is homogenized by hash plant genetics. We have lost the most intense highs, but also the variety of highs that used to exist.
#2) I have not been growing many Thai strains, only a few Thai crosses. You must be misled by how often I write about it. I seem to mention "Thai" ever 50 words or so. Hahaha This is the first year in over 35 years that I am growing what looks to me like a pure Thai (Laos) strain, or even a cross that looks mostly Thai (Gypsy Thai cross). Wait... I did grow the Gypsy Thai cross indoors about 5 years ago. Every strain is different and it can take a number of grows to learn about it. Some strains take more intimacy than others.
#3) I may not have the resources, knowledge, or discipline to be a "breeder", but I have the breeder heart. There is no grail. A good breeder would never think his/her work is done. There is no "end". Selections should be constant and a never ending refinement. This is the spirit of "The Search for Trip Weed".
I feel I'm neglecting this thread if I don't post some plant porn.
Gypsy Thai x Mullumbimby Madness x Neville' Haze:
SAGE with seeds:
My strain after crossing to Bangi Haze. It was a monster of a plant. Really good, enough to hit the spot, also:
My project, Wicked Weed, crossed with Kali Mist. It just keeps getting better. Brag, brag. I guess I have to brag in order to not be misunderstood:
Variety is the Spice of Life
So Cal might be the best place in the continental U.S. to grow weed. I'm not as familiar with the climate as Or/N Cal, but I visited San Diego in the winter a couple of times. Holy crap! What are you growing in a tent for? I think you could bring Thai to maturity there on a good year, or perhaps with the aid of some greenhouse film the last month. To Mexcurandero's point, do you have any red dirt there? Didn't you ever smoke Thai Stick?
Conceded. Take any strain from it's adapted location or from the family/caretakers that have grown it regularly, and it is unlikely to flourish the same as before.
True
B.S. LOL. Sorry, I crack myself up. I'm so naughty. The only good, and it was supreme, Neville's Haze I found took 3+ months to grow big enough to have alternate branching (mature) and 18 additional weeks to ripen. No way is Neville's Haze acclimated to Amsterdam, even the 13 week ripening phenos. It is indoors or supplemental lighted greenhouse only for Amsterdam. It might work for you outdoors, very far south of Amsterdam, in a protected location.
Again, Bodhi knows good weed. I've been growing for 50 years. If I add up the years I have held green Big Sur Holy Weed, purple Big Sur Holy Weed, and SAGE (related), it would be 15 to 20 years. It is not particularly strong, but it is A+ quality of high. To me, they are great examples of high quality Mexican weed acclimated (outcrossed) for us gringos, and it hits the spot.
It seems you have an affinity for Mexican weed. The first few years I smoked was Mexican only. Wonderful stuff that dried up for me in the early 70s. The only really great stuff I got from Mexico after then might have been Mexican Red Hair. I remember that stuff some years later after Colombian became popular and common.
Other strains that hit the spot:
Neville's Haze - Some phenos better than Thai Stick. No doubt Thai and/or S. Indian is in that lineage. No way Neville's Haze is Colombian and hash plant only. Just no way.
Bangi Haze - The couple of phenos I found are as clean and clear as any I have smoked. These are A+ top of the line quality of high. I wish they were stronger, but I'd have to be a real whiner to complain about this stuff.
Kali Mist - Is similar to Thai weed. The pheno I was gifted has the electric buzz to it. I crossed it to the genetics I grow, and it was the best stuff I grew even though it was harvested in mid November. It was better than my stuff, and my stuff hits the spot. I sometimes go several years before anyone turns me on to weed better than mine. Kali Mist made mine better.
I think you misunderstand why I continue to search, and interpret it as "never quite hit the spot".
#1) Variety is the spice of life. If all weed was exactly like the best I ever smoked, I would get bored. The whole point of my incessant whining is that lots more variety used to exist. Most weed is homogenized by hash plant genetics. We have lost the most intense highs, but also the variety of highs that used to exist.
#2) I have not been growing many Thai strains, only a few Thai crosses. You must be misled by how often I write about it. I seem to mention "Thai" ever 50 words or so. Hahaha This is the first year in over 35 years that I am growing what looks to me like a pure Thai (Laos) strain, or even a cross that looks mostly Thai (Gypsy Thai cross). Wait... I did grow the Gypsy Thai cross indoors about 5 years ago. Every strain is different and it can take a number of grows to learn about it. Some strains take more intimacy than others.
#3) I may not have the resources, knowledge, or discipline to be a "breeder", but I have the breeder heart. There is no grail. A good breeder would never think his/her work is done. There is no "end". Selections should be constant and a never ending refinement. This is the spirit of "The Search for Trip Weed".
Right on buddy! That's the spirit. Thanks for the positive vibes. PM me.
I feel I'm neglecting this thread if I don't post some plant porn.
Gypsy Thai x Mullumbimby Madness x Neville' Haze:
SAGE with seeds:
My strain after crossing to Bangi Haze. It was a monster of a plant. Really good, enough to hit the spot, also:
My project, Wicked Weed, crossed with Kali Mist. It just keeps getting better. Brag, brag. I guess I have to brag in order to not be misunderstood:
Wow! You've been growing longer then me! I did my first plants in 72. Smoking since the 60s though 
1969 And that was Mexican
1969 And that was Mexican
Nice to hear from an old-timer like me. You have better experience, and appear to have perfected it. I first grew in 5th grade, but growing tropicals in the Midwest was not likely to succeed. I remember growing good weed once back there. I just couldn't help myself from trying anyway. Smoking isn't addictive, but growing is. LOL I had a friend who grew great weed from Jamaica. I don't understand it except maybe that you could harvest Jamaica ganja very early and it was really good anyway.Wow! You've been growing longer then me! I did my first plants in 72. Smoking since the 60s though
I didn't grow decent weed regularly until moving to California in 78 or so. I couldn't believe that it was so easy (relatively) in a good climate. Hahaha. Duh! All those early attempts of mine probably shouldn't count, except for making myself sound better. Even now, I've only stumbled into learning to grow a truly world class potent strain successfully less than a dozen times. It's embarrassing. Every time has only taught me what I don't know, and how each strain is different. The really extremely potent stuff always seems to be so darn finicky. This is probably why people don't believe how good stuff was. I think they get ahold of the right genetics, don't succeed right away, and write it off as not that good.
Are you in Cali? Southern?
Im in the Big valley. North central. San Joaquin. Hot during the day, then it cools down at night from the breeze that blows over the Delta waterways
Im in the Big valley. North central. San Joaquin. Hot during the day, then it cools down at night from the breeze that blows over the Delta waterways
I'm on the north side of the Siskiyous now, but I lived for about 5 years near the San Joaquin river, a little north of where the Merced river comes in. Amazing homegrown there. Sometimes those sativa plants would stay alive multiple years in that area. I think those were the days that the cops were only starting to get a clue of what was going on.
Up where I live now, it's about 5+ degrees cooler on average, though we have had temps over 100 degrees already this summer. It cools off nicely overnight, except during the hottest heat spells. Traditional crops have been mint and hops. I think aromatic herbs like the cool night temps. Now, grapes, medicinal hemp, and ganja are widespread. Both areas, are very arid. This makes for a very starkly clear sky and intense sun. It is not uncommon for humidity to be below 15%.
Glad to hear ThaiBliss on your plants and highs. I can not legally grow outside here and yes it is ideal for growing here and my elevation is quite high I am almost into the mountains. Shame really.
I might set out a couple plants in the mountains guerrilla style during the summer to finish but that is about all I can do. The Nevils is still a indica/sativa hybrid and worked line even if you got a late bloomer, that is just the truth. It is acclimated somewhat and not a true equatorial. Each growing season is gonna change the genetics a little according to where it is grown.
I continue on as you to find the grail, and when the grail is found, look for another even better. I already have a bunch of great strains some of which are trip weed for me at least. Grails are personal for sure. Other people have not found my trip weed to have that effect on them, what few I have shared it with.
Never smoked Thai back when. Got a stick of it and lost it right away to the police driving drunk. Bad luck eh? Had a shot to buy some more and chose the Colombian Gold instead with limited money. Lost the Gold after smoking a joint or so. Bad luck eh? hehe Held on to all my Mexicans or other strains though.
The CG was a let down for me and I know it was of good quality because of the source. It was like my current C99 except it lacked euphoria. So I am not all nostalgic here and you either even if some people think that. Randy California or someone else might have been in heaven with that '79 CG so this is all personal for what we like.
Have run some Thai in my tent crossed to Cambodian. Has a clean up high but not quite my thing, the Cambodian leaner was more stony and also not a keeper. Have a Thai x Tom Hill's Haze going right now. Durban Poison in there too right now, legendary stuff. Some doubt as to Durban being the same as long ago.
Have some MM x Oaxacan and Zamal x THH seeds and THH and Original Haze in the tent. Not sticking to Mexican only even if tempted to do so by experience.
I might set out a couple plants in the mountains guerrilla style during the summer to finish but that is about all I can do. The Nevils is still a indica/sativa hybrid and worked line even if you got a late bloomer, that is just the truth. It is acclimated somewhat and not a true equatorial. Each growing season is gonna change the genetics a little according to where it is grown.
I continue on as you to find the grail, and when the grail is found, look for another even better. I already have a bunch of great strains some of which are trip weed for me at least. Grails are personal for sure. Other people have not found my trip weed to have that effect on them, what few I have shared it with.
Never smoked Thai back when. Got a stick of it and lost it right away to the police driving drunk. Bad luck eh? Had a shot to buy some more and chose the Colombian Gold instead with limited money. Lost the Gold after smoking a joint or so. Bad luck eh? hehe Held on to all my Mexicans or other strains though.
The CG was a let down for me and I know it was of good quality because of the source. It was like my current C99 except it lacked euphoria. So I am not all nostalgic here and you either even if some people think that. Randy California or someone else might have been in heaven with that '79 CG so this is all personal for what we like.
Have run some Thai in my tent crossed to Cambodian. Has a clean up high but not quite my thing, the Cambodian leaner was more stony and also not a keeper. Have a Thai x Tom Hill's Haze going right now. Durban Poison in there too right now, legendary stuff. Some doubt as to Durban being the same as long ago.
Have some MM x Oaxacan and Zamal x THH seeds and THH and Original Haze in the tent. Not sticking to Mexican only even if tempted to do so by experience.
Yesum,
Sounds like you are looking at good strains. Sorry you missed the Thai Stick. What a shame. In all honesty, I think less than 50% really liked it. Smoking it was quite a shock if you are expecting a normal high. Hard to handle when not prepared. Hahaha Scared more than a few people straight.
I lost the first lid I ever bought. I pulled a brick from a wall and put the lid on a ledge inside. I reached in and accidentally pushed it off the ledge. Heartbreaking. I was in eighth grade and it took me a long time to save twenty bucks. Shit on a shingle.
I didn't get the Colombian Gold craze either, though it looked awesome and tasted great. In fairness, I thought it was good weed but I smoked at least a couple of other Colombian stains I liked better. I loved good Colombian in general at the time, but over the course of my time where Colombian was sandwiched between my experiences with Mexican and Thai, I prefer the best of those. Mexican was more of a spiritual experience. Thai was just an extreme roller coaster ride. Super scary at first, but really fun once you realize you are not going to die or get busted. When you relax, you are still very high, a really good high, for about 4 more hours. I guess some people just can't let go and enjoy the ride you can't exit from anyway. That's a shame also, because the taper was blissful and so long lasting.
T.B.
Sounds like you are looking at good strains. Sorry you missed the Thai Stick. What a shame. In all honesty, I think less than 50% really liked it. Smoking it was quite a shock if you are expecting a normal high. Hard to handle when not prepared. Hahaha Scared more than a few people straight.
I lost the first lid I ever bought. I pulled a brick from a wall and put the lid on a ledge inside. I reached in and accidentally pushed it off the ledge. Heartbreaking. I was in eighth grade and it took me a long time to save twenty bucks. Shit on a shingle.
I didn't get the Colombian Gold craze either, though it looked awesome and tasted great. In fairness, I thought it was good weed but I smoked at least a couple of other Colombian stains I liked better. I loved good Colombian in general at the time, but over the course of my time where Colombian was sandwiched between my experiences with Mexican and Thai, I prefer the best of those. Mexican was more of a spiritual experience. Thai was just an extreme roller coaster ride. Super scary at first, but really fun once you realize you are not going to die or get busted. When you relax, you are still very high, a really good high, for about 4 more hours. I guess some people just can't let go and enjoy the ride you can't exit from anyway. That's a shame also, because the taper was blissful and so long lasting.
T.B.
I got plenty of Thai back in the day. It was a real treat every time. They used to soak some of the sticks in the by product water from heroin production, to give it some legs and calm things down a bit. People always specified if it was opiated.
The Columbian Gold had a more up high, but the Columbian red we got in the mid 70s was real gooey, and had a heavy body high. It was good for listening to Pink Floyd on. It was only $40 a zip, and was super earthy. The joints dripped with red resin. That stuff would have pressed some good rosin. Those were some of the first plants I grew.
The laosian stick weed was really something special too! Very similar to Thai
The Columbian Gold had a more up high, but the Columbian red we got in the mid 70s was real gooey, and had a heavy body high. It was good for listening to Pink Floyd on. It was only $40 a zip, and was super earthy. The joints dripped with red resin. That stuff would have pressed some good rosin. Those were some of the first plants I grew.
The laosian stick weed was really something special too! Very similar to Thai
There were a lot of stories going round about the giant year rounder Thai plants in Thailand, and how they climbed way up on bamboo ladders and clipped little buds to put on the sticks. I guess those damn wars ruined all of that. Such a shame!
About Neville haze, i agree with you, They can say what they want, but the plants lead in that direction ...
Kali Mist- I read somewhere that it could be (Nl5 x haze) x thai, or Cambodia ... and it could be ....
