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Fact Checking Thread -

Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
- It's always difficult to know what is true and what is false on the net - much 'news' has some sort of agenda - its either lefty - or righty - so its hard to know if any of it is actually un-bias news -

Of course there are some so-called fact-checking sites out there - but they also could well have some sort of agenda to supress the truth and favour one or the other sides of the great political divide - is not easy to really tell - one way or the other -

So with this thread - I want us to cumulatively have a look at claims/text we find on the internet - and fact check them to see if they are really true or not -

- I will get the proverbial ball rolling with this bit of text - which I found this morning in the comments on the liveleak site - Lets break it down and see if its true - it must have been posted by a USA citizen - since he/she is talking about voting - maybe its a load of bollocks - and maybe not - and if not - what does it mean?

'IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND NOW AND IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE VOTE.

YES, the Governor of Michigan used to work for George Soros.

YES, CALIF GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM IS NANCY PELOSI'S NEPHEW.

YES, ADAM SHIFF'S SISTER IS MARRIED TO GEORGE SOROS’ SON.

YES, JOHN KERRY'S DAUGHTER IS MARRIED TO A MULLAH'S SON in IRAN.

YES, Hillary's daughter Chelsea IS married to George Soros' nephew.

YES, ABC News executive producer IAN CAMERON is married to SUSAN RICE, Obama's former National Security Adviser.

YES, CBS President DAVID RHODES is the brother of BEN RHODES, Obama's Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.

YES, ABC News correspondent CLAIRE SHIPMAN is married to JAY
CARNEY, former Obama White House Press Secretary.

YES, ABC News and Univision reporter MATTHEW JAFFE is married to

KATIE HOGAN, Obama's former Deputy Press Secretary.

YES, ABC President BEN SHERWOOD is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood, Obama's former Special Adviser.

YES, CNN President VIRGINIA MOSELEY is married to TOM NIDES, former Hillary Clinton's Deputy Secretary.

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A "STACKED DECK".
IF YOU HAD A HUNCH THE NEWS SYSTEM WAS SOMEWHAT RIGGED AND YOU COULDN'T PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT, THIS MIGHT HELP YOU SOLVE THE PUZZLE.


*If any of you are in doubt as to what is true and what is not - before you post - then put the piece up on this thread - and we can dissect it together - and maybe learn from that -

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Absolem

Active member
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/social-posts-distort-facts-on-political-relationships/

Quick Take
Social media posts falsely claim that California Gov. Gavin Newsom is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s nephew, and that Rep. Adam Schiff has a sister who is married to the son of George Soros. It also falsely states that a daughter of former Secretary of State John Kerry is married to a “mullah’s son in Iran.”

Full Story
Viral posts circulating on Facebook claim to show supposed marriages and family relationships among, and between, political and media figures — but they advance several falsehoods and also present some outdated information.

The images, repeatedly posted and shared thousands of times, first advance false claims about the families of three prominent Democrats — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Adam Schiff and former Secretary of State John Kerry.

“Yes, Gavin Newsom is Nancy Pelosi’s nephew,” the posts begin, falsely drawing that relation between Pelosi and Newsom, the California governor. It then falsely says “Adam Schiff’s sister is married to George Soros son” — a claim we’ve debunked before — and that Kerry’s “daughter is married to a ‘mullah’s son in Iran.”

Here are the facts about those three claims.

Pelosi and Newsom

There are ties between the Pelosi and Newsom families — both prominent California families — that go back several decades, as outlined in a recent commentary piece published by the nonprofit journalism venture CalMatters. But Nancy Pelosi is not Gavin Newsom’s aunt. In reality, Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law, Ron Pelosi, was married to the late Belinda Barbara Newsom, who was Gavin Newsom’s aunt.

In other words, Pelosi’s brother-in-law was the uncle (through marriage) of Gavin Newsom. But Barbara Newsom and Ron Pelosi divorced decades ago, in 1977, and Barbara Newsom died in 2008.

Kerry’s Daughter

The claim that Kerry’s “daughter is married to a ‘mullah’s son in Iran” is also bogus.

Kerry’s daughter, Vanessa, is married to Brian Nahed, a neurosurgeon. Nahed is of Iranian descent, but he was born in the United States. According to the couple’s wedding announcement in the New York Times in 2009, Nahed’s father, M. Reza Nahed, is a pulmonologist in California, who operates a private practice managed by his wife — and Brian’s mother — Nooshin P. Nahed. M. Reza Nahed graduated from Tehran University of Medical Sciences and Health Services in 1974, and received his medical license in California in 1979, according to state medical board records.

Both Brian Nahed and Vanessa Kerry, in interviews with FactCheck.org, said the description of the elder Nahed as a “mullah in Iran” was a fabrication. The term in Iran typically describes a Muslim clergyman.

“That is false,” Kerry said, reiterating that her father-in-law is a “devoted doctor” who lives in California and has been in the U.S. since the 1970s.

Moreover, Brian Nahed said, “my parents aren’t religious at all.” Nahed added that his parents immigrated before the Iranian Revolution and haven’t returned since; both Vanessa Kerry and Brian Nahed also said they have never been to Iran.

In 2015 — when then-Secretary of State John Kerry helped negotiate the Iran nuclear agreement — online rumors wrongly claimed that the son of Iran’s foreign minister had been the best man at the couple’s wedding years earlier, which Vanessa Kerry publicly debunked. Nahed said similar falsehoods have continued to resurface. “Every once in awhile — maybe once a year — you’ll see it flare up,” he said.

“It’s been incredibly frustrating,” Kerry said of the continued flow of misinformation. “It’s really an invasion of the privacy of my in-laws. They never signed up for a political life.”

Kerry is the co-founder and CEO of a Boston-based nonprofit aimed at improving the health profession around the world. Brian Nahed works at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Schiff and Soros

The claim that Schiff’s “sister” is married to the son of George Soros — a billionaire philanthropist known for funding liberal causes and who is often the subject of falsehoods — is also bogus. As we’ve previously written, Schiff doesn’t even have a sister. The falsehood is born out of the fact that Soros’ son, Robert, was once married to a woman who also had the last name Schiff.

Media Ties

The posts then proceed to list a half-dozen family relationships it presents as proof that “the news system” is “rigged.” That same list — which accurately depicts relationships between members of the media industry and former members of the Obama administration — has circulated since 2016.

At this point, though, some of the information is outdated. For example, David Rhodes — the brother of former Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes — is no longer the president of CBS News. And Ben Sherwood — whose sister, Elizabeth Sherwood, was a deputy secretary of energy under Obama — recently left his post as president of Disney/ABC Television Group.

Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook to debunk misinformation shared on social media. Our previous stories can be found here.

Quick Take
Social media posts falsely claim that California Gov. Gavin Newsom is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s nephew, and that Rep. Adam Schiff has a sister who is married to the son of George Soros. It also falsely states that a daughter of former Secretary of State John Kerry is married to a “mullah’s son in Iran.”

Full Story
Viral posts circulating on Facebook claim to show supposed marriages and family relationships among, and between, political and media figures — but they advance several falsehoods and also present some outdated information.

The images, repeatedly posted and shared thousands of times, first advance false claims about the families of three prominent Democrats — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Adam Schiff and former Secretary of State John Kerry.

“Yes, Gavin Newsom is Nancy Pelosi’s nephew,” the posts begin, falsely drawing that relation between Pelosi and Newsom, the California governor. It then falsely says “Adam Schiff’s sister is married to George Soros son” — a claim we’ve debunked before — and that Kerry’s “daughter is married to a ‘mullah’s son in Iran.”

Here are the facts about those three claims.

Pelosi and Newsom

There are ties between the Pelosi and Newsom families — both prominent California families — that go back several decades, as outlined in a recent commentary piece published by the nonprofit journalism venture CalMatters. But Nancy Pelosi is not Gavin Newsom’s aunt. In reality, Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law, Ron Pelosi, was married to the late Belinda Barbara Newsom, who was Gavin Newsom’s aunt.

In other words, Pelosi’s brother-in-law was the uncle (through marriage) of Gavin Newsom. But Barbara Newsom and Ron Pelosi divorced decades ago, in 1977, and Barbara Newsom died in 2008.

Kerry’s Daughter

The claim that Kerry’s “daughter is married to a ‘mullah’s son in Iran” is also bogus.

Kerry’s daughter, Vanessa, is married to Brian Nahed, a neurosurgeon. Nahed is of Iranian descent, but he was born in the United States. According to the couple’s wedding announcement in the New York Times in 2009, Nahed’s father, M. Reza Nahed, is a pulmonologist in California, who operates a private practice managed by his wife — and Brian’s mother — Nooshin P. Nahed. M. Reza Nahed graduated from Tehran University of Medical Sciences and Health Services in 1974, and received his medical license in California in 1979, according to state medical board records.

Both Brian Nahed and Vanessa Kerry, in interviews with FactCheck.org, said the description of the elder Nahed as a “mullah in Iran” was a fabrication. The term in Iran typically describes a Muslim clergyman.

“That is false,” Kerry said, reiterating that her father-in-law is a “devoted doctor” who lives in California and has been in the U.S. since the 1970s.

Moreover, Brian Nahed said, “my parents aren’t religious at all.” Nahed added that his parents immigrated before the Iranian Revolution and haven’t returned since; both Vanessa Kerry and Brian Nahed also said they have never been to Iran.

In 2015 — when then-Secretary of State John Kerry helped negotiate the Iran nuclear agreement — online rumors wrongly claimed that the son of Iran’s foreign minister had been the best man at the couple’s wedding years earlier, which Vanessa Kerry publicly debunked. Nahed said similar falsehoods have continued to resurface. “Every once in awhile — maybe once a year — you’ll see it flare up,” he said.

“It’s been incredibly frustrating,” Kerry said of the continued flow of misinformation. “It’s really an invasion of the privacy of my in-laws. They never signed up for a political life.”

Kerry is the co-founder and CEO of a Boston-based nonprofit aimed at improving the health profession around the world. Brian Nahed works at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Schiff and Soros

The claim that Schiff’s “sister” is married to the son of George Soros — a billionaire philanthropist known for funding liberal causes and who is often the subject of falsehoods — is also bogus. As we’ve previously written, Schiff doesn’t even have a sister. The falsehood is born out of the fact that Soros’ son, Robert, was once married to a woman who also had the last name Schiff.

Media Ties

The posts then proceed to list a half-dozen family relationships it presents as proof that “the news system” is “rigged.” That same list — which accurately depicts relationships between members of the media industry and former members of the Obama administration — has circulated since 2016.

At this point, though, some of the information is outdated. For example, David Rhodes — the brother of former Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes — is no longer the president of CBS News. And Ben Sherwood — whose sister, Elizabeth Sherwood, was a deputy secretary of energy under Obama — recently left his post as president of Disney/ABC Television Group.

Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook to debunk misinformation shared on social media. Our previous stories can be found here.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
Excellent Absolem - K+ - it just goes to show what absolute propaganda there is out there -

- So its a good start to this thread - now lets see if we can de-bunk any more supposed 'facts'

- Bring any and all debateable text/pics or memes here for us to pull them apart -
 

Dropped Cat

Six Gummi Bears and Some Scotch
Veteran
Tr*mp is the best president ever.

At Mt. R*shmore July 4, 2020, he may announce his
likeness to be added to the sculpture.

lol
 

hubcap

StackinCalyxs
Veteran
Man, I miss the Paul Harvey's and Walter Cronkite's of the world.


Now a days its all about clicks......truth and research be damned.


-cap
 

Microbeman

The Logical Gardener
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Excellent Absolem - K+ - it just goes to show what absolute propaganda there is out there -

- So its a good start to this thread - now lets see if we can de-bunk any more supposed 'facts'

- Bring any and all debateable text/pics or memes here for us to pull them apart -

All Brits are lefties. Fact.
 

shaggyballs

Active member
Veteran
So you trust the fact checker sites do ya.
Can you name the one I work for?

First we should know who are they.
Who funds them?
Well that is a good start anyway.

Without that info. you are trusting your life to.....Well me...LOL
 

knucklehead bob

Member
Veteran
Excellent Absolem - K+ - it just goes to show what absolute propaganda there is out there -

- So its a good start to this thread - now lets see if we can de-bunk any more supposed 'facts'

- Bring any and all debateable text/pics or memes here for us to pull them apart -

PLEASE DE-BUNK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS

#1

No virus has ever been isolated from a human and shown to be contagious or the cause of a specific disease. Not one. Not ever. It’s all speculation and assumption.

“The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything” –The last words of Louis Pasteur

#2

Though mainstream medicine might have us believe otherwise, the simple truth is that no one ever became ill due to a deficiency in pharmaceutical drugs.

Lack of nutrition and exposure to toxins is what causes us to become ill.

GOOD LUCK

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h.h.

Active member
Veteran
Man, I miss the Paul Harvey's and Walter Cronkite's of the world.


Now a days its all about clicks......truth and research be damned.


-cap

Paul Harvey reported Bruce Lee’s death was brought on by smoking marijuana. He was entertaining, but full of shit. Nothing has changed.
 

Microbeman

The Logical Gardener
ICMag Donor
Veteran
PLEASE DE-BUNK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS

#1

No virus has ever been isolated from a human and shown to be contagious or the cause of a specific disease. Not one. Not ever. It’s all speculation and assumption.

“The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything” –The last words of Louis Pasteur

#2

Though mainstream medicine might have us believe otherwise, the simple truth is that no one ever became ill due to a deficiency in pharmaceutical drugs.

Lack of nutrition and exposure to toxins is what causes us to become ill.

GOOD LUCK

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Do these count?

https://aac.asm.org/content/15/5/642.short

Viruses. (i) HSV-1. HSV type 1 (HSV-1) isolates
were obtained from patients with recurrent facial-oral
herpes labialis. Virus was isolated in primary rabbit
kidney cell cultures, and a pool was prepared by lowmultiplicity
passage in Vero cells. Pools were harvested
and frozen at -70°C when the cell sheet showed
complete cytopathic effect.
(ii) HSV-2. HSV-2 isolates were obtained from
patients with herpes progenitalis or neonatal herpes
infection, and pools were prepared as described above.
HSV isolates were identified as HSV-1 or HSV-2 by a
simplified microneutralization technique (21).
(iii) VZV. Clinical isolates of VZV were obtained
from patients with varicella or herpes zoster. VZV was
isolated, and a pool was prepared in human fibroblasts.


https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/81/20/11139.full.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X01002791
 

Microbeman

The Logical Gardener
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Do these count?

https://aac.asm.org/content/15/5/642.short

Viruses. (i) HSV-1. HSV type 1 (HSV-1) isolates
were obtained from patients with recurrent facial-oral
herpes labialis. Virus was isolated in primary rabbit
kidney cell cultures, and a pool was prepared by lowmultiplicity
passage in Vero cells. Pools were harvested
and frozen at -70°C when the cell sheet showed
complete cytopathic effect.
(ii) HSV-2. HSV-2 isolates were obtained from
patients with herpes progenitalis or neonatal herpes
infection, and pools were prepared as described above.
HSV isolates were identified as HSV-1 or HSV-2 by a
simplified microneutralization technique (21).
(iii) VZV. Clinical isolates of VZV were obtained
from patients with varicella or herpes zoster. VZV was
isolated, and a pool was prepared in human fibroblasts.


https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/81/20/11139.full.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X01002791

Covid related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/300/5624/1399.full

The National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada obtained the Tor2 isolate from a patient in Toronto and succeeded in growing a coronavirus-like agent in African green monkey kidney (Vero E6) cells. This coronavirus was named publicly by the World Health Organization and member laboratories as the “SARS virus” (WHO press release, 16 April 2003) after tests of causation according to Koch's postulates, including monkey inoculation (4). This virus, which we refer to as SARS-HCoV, was purified, and its RNA genome was extracted and sent to the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control in Vancouver for genome sequencing by the BCCA Genome Sciences Centre.

The coronaviruses include a large number of viruses that infect different animal species. The predominant diseases associated with these viruses are respiratory and enteric infections, although hepatic and neurological diseases also occur. Human coronaviruses identified in the 1960s (including the prototype viruses HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-229E) are responsible for up to 30% of respiratory infections (12). Coronaviruses are divided into three serotypes: groups 1, 2, and 3 (13). Phylogenetic analysis of coronavirus sequences also identifies three main classes of these viruses, corresponding to each of the three serotypes. Group 2 coronaviruses contain a gene encoding hemagglutinin esterase (HE) that is homologous to that of influenza C virus. It is presumed that the precursor of the group 2 coronaviruses acquired HE as a result of a recombination event within a doubly infected host cell. We note that the Tor2 genome sequence appears to lack an HE gene.

Purification of viral particles and RNA, and DNA sequencing. Virus isolation was performed on a bronchoalveolar lavage specimen of a fatal SARS case belonging to the original case cluster from Toronto, Canada.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
Would it be fact to say that you can't be elected as a ruler of a country without being in league with the Zionist Reptilians? :hide:
 

Microbeman

The Logical Gardener
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Doctor offers $5000 for proof that covid19 exists.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CLY-61QC4




[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CLY-61QC4[/YOUTUBEIF]

Who is this supposed doctor? Name? Background?
If you reject PCR testing then you may as well throw out much of modern analytics. This includes mushroom ID, soil and mineral tests, testing contaniments. Many common diagnostics of human and animal maladies and related treatments would all be invalidated along with ancestry testing for familia and canine species. Would they have been treated for mystery diseases by happenstance?

I never noticed him offer the 5K. Who do I collect it from?
 

nepalnt21

FRRRRRResh!
Veteran
we can map its structure in great detail, match its genome with closely related coronaviruses from wild animals, we can see it with an electeon microscope, we can isolate it in sick individuals... what would satisfy that idiot?
 
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