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Old 05-12-2018, 08:20 PM #21
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MPLE FLAIL actually "hash" is now available from 1 LP as Kief. edibles are coming but they needed more time to get it all figured out. extracts will come aswell, simply for the fact that if they want to get rid of black market they will have to.
using the term hash loosely here I see.. 'edibles' are available in oil form. it will be a LONG time before actual food products show up in LP, beverages will come first likely mainly/only cbd infused.

having the product alone available will not kill the black market. other factors are present.

Yes there was a mention a bunch of posts ago how many moonshiners do I know? personally none.. but that doesn't mean i've not met any, and logic dictates they still exist as every time I go on tour, someone always brings along a mason.. the stuff exists. someone is producing it and people are still buying. it may be rarer in certain areas, I can understand that.

It will take awhile to systematically get better or manage to push out the black market segment by segment to the point where they are almost a non entity. The only people I know that are actually willingly dealing with LP product are the ones that have an issue putting down a video game controller to look after themself so mail order makes sense to them. Ya legal market will make loads of money.. there will still be people waiting to get the stuff they are used too in the manner they are used too.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:17 AM #22
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Hey OP, since we are discussing your opportunity and how to seize it, you keep on mentioning your niche. Mind sharing exactly what it is that you want to bring to the table for the market?
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Interesting little quote in this article: https://mjbizdaily.com/how-india-can...avnish-pandya/

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I segregate the cannabis industry into two segments:

Those who want to do things big, fast and cheap. I don’t think India is the place for them.
Companies willing to work long term and work within the regulatory process.
For companies willing to work long term and within the regulatory process, there are definitely more than enough opportunities to do well in India.

We have received a lot of queries from the bigger Canadian companies, including Canopy and Tilray. But we spoke with the founders of those companies and we realized that their approach, their mentality and what they mention in Western philosophy, which is the hustle, that hustle might be too much for a place like India.
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That's the wrong mindset, almost antibusiness.

You want to coexist peacefully with billion dollar conglomerates that are jockeying for total control.

Beer is brought up a lot, but what happens there (big fish eating small fish) is what happens everywhere.

Order from any beneficial insect company the world over and you are likely to see 3 to 4 labels. While there are dozens of companies, most are retailers. Some had successful breeding and production programs, but as the small fish grew, it only became easier for the big fish to catch.

Of the 500 applications pending approval, 90% will fail, the others will be swallowed whole by a fish the likes they've never seen.
You are quite right Mikell and thanks for the reality check.

I just came back from there and even before I read your post, I have moved away from that line of thinking a little already.

But they are vulnerable, very much so and I can all but guarantee that they are misreading the market in Greece and things will not shake out the way they expect them to.

Bigger fish than them have tried and failed (in other sectors).
Big as they may be, they are still small timers compared to entities like Carrefour for example. And Carrefour fell flat on their belly and are all but gone. There are other big names that went similarly poor.

The country is .... different. Not necessarily in positive ways but in ways that afford opportunities for small timers like me and make things harder for these big entities than in countries like the US, Canada, Germany, etc. etc.

I have a plan but everything is still up in the air but there are opportunities and I have a chance. Because the country is unique and different, that I have just been reminded off from my short stay there.

But I still plan on occupying a niche and I am very convinced that they may try for total control all they want, they will not achieve it. Greece doesn't work that way, go ask Carrefour. They were able to eliminate the small mom&pop supermarkets in any country they decided to invest big in. They got chewed up and spit out in Greece and not for lack of money and trying. They were big as hell for a while. But they could not take the market share from the small mom and pop stores. Greece is different on so many levels.
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Hey OP, since we are discussing your opportunity and how to seize it, you keep on mentioning your niche. Mind sharing exactly what it is that you want to bring to the table for the market?
I am a little hesitant to be too open about my approach as everything is still up in the air and at the beginning and I don't want to give everything away.

But suffice it to say that I want to be the Wholefoods to their WalMart, just starting out a loooot smaller.

For the foreseeable future it will be medical only in Greece and imho the Canadian's approach conflicts with that as they aim for market saturation/dominance, fast and cheap, low price high volume etc. etc.

That is not what medicinal cannabis is about, this rings even more true if you know the country and culture.

I believe my approach of organic, high quality will be more in line with the culture and even without trying to bite anything out of their market share, it will afford me a niche that they won't be able to touch. Because they are definitely NOT aiming to fill that niche from the get go but I know it exists from the start. And if I occupy it, they would have to react to it and push me out of it if they want to take it over. Should be easy enough for such a huge entity with so much capital behind it. But I have identified mechanisms I am convinced will make it very hard all the way up to impossible to push me out of that niche unless I am willing to give up.

Greeks take home less than a grand a month on average and have no money for anything.
But they do spend 5 bucks for a cup of Cappucino at least once or twice a week because it is important to them to "be seen" and the like.
They are not the same as other western cultures in that "cheapest product with acceptable quality always wins out".
It's .... different.
The Canadians generally have a lack of understanding of Greek culture and the Greeks they work with have a lack of understanding of Canadian culture. Canada does not have a strong foothold in Greece. To illustrate: There is a huge Canadian mining conglomerate that has been trying to get rights for gold mining for ... decades now? By all means and accounts they should have had them long ago, they did the due dilligence, pumped in the money, fulfilled all contractual obligations etc. etc. but the people there do not want it and they have blocked it for a loooong time and there is no end in sight. I guarantee you this doesn't happen anywhere else on the globe in this manner. And I guarantee you the Canadians are frustrated to no end with this and are scratching their heads and trying their darndest to get this thing going but can't figure it out.

Also the medicine thing, how greeks buy medicine, the lack of prescription requirements etc. etc. all afford unique possibilities.

The government is also being taken advantage off by the Canadians because they are very inexperienced with the whole thing and have pushed it forward so fast due to necessity (crisis).
They lack personnel and knowledge on the subject matter.

I plan to share what I know with them and make it so that we play on the same team. I might end up working for the government in the end which of course changes everything even more drastically.

It's all too early to tell and I have nothing tangible to share so far only insights here and there and a picture forming in my head and confidence in my understanding of country, culture and the business side of things (where you guys are helping me out tremendously).

I will share with you all as soon as I am set up. I plan to do daily video logs and the like as I want to build a brand of quality over quantity organic cannabis for connoisseurs and lovers of the plant and its effects. And I am convinced that Greece will be one of the best spots on the globe to do so.

The end goal will be to make Greece a hub for cannabis cultivation (and processing) in Europe and create a global brand of Greek Cannabis being elite and one of the best available which would of course only happen if it can land on the US and Canadian markets as well. I plan to pursue these venues eventually, too.

Because I am that convinced that the country, soil, climate, everything speaks (imho) for ideal circumstances to produce the best possible Cannabis and its derivatives.


But I am getting ahead of myself. The opportunities are there but for now I want to start small, carve out my niche and produce the best cannabis possible and take it from there.
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I am a little hesitant to be too open about my approach as everything is still up in the air and at the beginning and I don't want to give everything away.

But suffice it to say that I want to be the Wholefoods to their WalMart, just starting out a loooot smaller.

For the foreseeable future it will be medical only in Greece and imho the Canadian's approach conflicts with that as they aim for market saturation/dominance, fast and cheap, low price high volume etc. etc.

That is not what medicinal cannabis is about, this rings even more true if you know the country and culture.

I believe my approach of organic, high quality will be more in line with the culture and even without trying to bite anything out of their market share, it will afford me a niche that they won't be able to touch. Because they are definitely NOT aiming to fill that niche from the get go but I know it exists from the start. And if I occupy it, they would have to react to it and push me out of it if they want to take it over. Should be easy enough for such a huge entity with so much capital behind it. But I have identified mechanisms I am convinced will make it very hard all the way up to impossible to push me out of that niche unless I am willing to give up.

Greeks take home less than a grand a month on average and have no money for anything.
But they do spend 5 bucks for a cup of Cappucino at least once or twice a week because it is important to them to "be seen" and the like.
They are not the same as other western cultures in that "cheapest product with acceptable quality always wins out".
It's .... different.
The Canadians generally have a lack of understanding of Greek culture and the Greeks they work with have a lack of understanding of Canadian culture. Canada does not have a strong foothold in Greece. To illustrate: There is a huge Canadian mining conglomerate that has been trying to get rights for gold mining for ... decades now? By all means and accounts they should have had them long ago, they did the due dilligence, pumped in the money, fulfilled all contractual obligations etc. etc. but the people there do not want it and they have blocked it for a loooong time and there is no end in sight. I guarantee you this doesn't happen anywhere else on the globe in this manner. And I guarantee you the Canadians are frustrated to no end with this and are scratching their heads and trying their darndest to get this thing going but can't figure it out.

Also the medicine thing, how greeks buy medicine, the lack of prescription requirements etc. etc. all afford unique possibilities.

The government is also being taken advantage off by the Canadians because they are very inexperienced with the whole thing and have pushed it forward so fast due to necessity (crisis).
They lack personnel and knowledge on the subject matter.

I plan to share what I know with them and make it so that we play on the same team. I might end up working for the government in the end which of course changes everything even more drastically.

It's all too early to tell and I have nothing tangible to share so far only insights here and there and a picture forming in my head and confidence in my understanding of country, culture and the business side of things (where you guys are helping me out tremendously).

I will share with you all as soon as I am set up. I plan to do daily video logs and the like as I want to build a brand of quality over quantity organic cannabis for connoisseurs and lovers of the plant and its effects. And I am convinced that Greece will be one of the best spots on the globe to do so.

The end goal will be to make Greece a hub for cannabis cultivation (and processing) in Europe and create a global brand of Greek Cannabis being elite and one of the best available which would of course only happen if it can land on the US and Canadian markets as well. I plan to pursue these venues eventually, too.

Because I am that convinced that the country, soil, climate, everything speaks (imho) for ideal circumstances to produce the best possible Cannabis and its derivatives.


But I am getting ahead of myself. The opportunities are there but for now I want to start small, carve out my niche and produce the best cannabis possible and take it from there.
OK, so I was under the assumption that you were canadian, looking to set up something in Canada. Now that I see that you are not necessarily a bushy eye'd puffy tail pipe dreamist looking to make waves in canada as a tadpole. Some of what I said it more so irrelevant.

at quick glance at what is available in news, Greece's medicinal cannabis seems to be almost 2 decades behind canada's experience. (please do not take this as insult! it is not), we've been thru atleast 3 specific regulations to do with medical use, each noticeably different from the other.

In the beginning, patients were out for themselves once the government passed access exemptions, there was no support from the government. there was no conglomerate producers.

Conglomerate producers are only a thing of the past 4-6 years? and IIRC Tweed was the one that led the way.. it was a different company back then.

Looking at Greece, I don't really see any conglomerated producers as it seems the bill is still in legislature there (not sure what you call your governing body, no insult intended.) and I see the government setting out what appears atleast in brief news to be an attainable barrier to entry provided you can afford the land.

If the economy is as bad as you say in Greece, i'm not sure you have much to worry about from the canadian market. the LPS that export will likely target countries where they came in cheap at that countries price and due to exchange make a killing in canada. this doesn't sound possible if your country is in economic crisis.

with an acre of land, lots of hard work and the right staff helping i'm sure you can carve out your niche before conglomeration gets on top of it.

But as you say your culture does it different. you still have to worry about your cultures big fish. they might not exist now.. but they will.

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I think a lot of us thought you were talking about setting up in Canada. One thing to note about how things have gone in Canada is that most of the companies that got into medical cannabis, didn't do so to get into medical cannabis per se. They got into it to be in position for when the much larger legal recreational market opened up. Medical cannabis was the little fish, they all wanted the big fish. This has been the catalyst for the consolidation phase we have been going through. So keep an eye out for that as things unfold in Greece. Is legal medical the prelude to legal recreational there? Good luck in your venture, and bring quality organic medicine to people who need it.
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No lp's are in the cannabis growing business they are in the stock selling business. If you're planning on being a craft grower you will be forced to sell only to a large lp and they will distribute it. Can you live with only getting $4-5 a gram? How much they will pay you will have a limit around there. So the liberal party of Canada and their minons are heavily and privately invested in lp's. The former cfo of the party (chuck rifici) happens to be the cofounder of tweed. Are you planing on growing here in Canada or another country where these lp's operate? No lp grows outdoors here. As for nutrients I don't see them shipping liquids maybe the dry salts if they can't be sourced in the other country. They hire master growers for just long enough to train the $15/hr employees the basics to growing then the master growers contracts aren't renewed. It's a total shitshow that will be very difficult for the small craft growers to survive in. Good luck
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Ok just read your response to maple.. I'm not sure I understand how things work over in Greece. But anything you can do to make it unfavorable for Canadian lp's to sell in your country the better off you will be. They will make your life difficult if they get in there. Good news is their bud is garbage. I saw some a few weeks ago that looked nice. $17 per gram. Didn't look that nice to me. There will always be a demand for high quality well grown cannabis. How is your government purposing to sell cannabis? Will dispensarys be allowed? The way lp's operate here probably won't be how they operate over their. They only sell by mail order here because that's the only way they legally can. Lift.co is a good place to find out about what lp's are growing and read reviews from patients. But the info there is skewed as most reviews are positive and in real life most reviews are not so great.
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Just read your response to maple. So much of what I posted doesn't apply to you. Do anything you can to keep lp's out of your country it will be for the best.
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