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conservatism vs liberalism

armedoldhippy

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"conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all of those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place. a conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege & to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. the essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting & protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others."
 

Fixer

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I'm with you. We'll always have a push and pull of conservatism vs liberalism. Wherever the middle lies by definition there have to be points around it. I've always remained hopeful by remembering that we're constantly drifting toward the left. The anti-democratic right is in convulsions right now as they can see the end coming. Trump is going to drive more progress to the left than all of the Democrats in Washington have in my lifetime.
 

armedoldhippy

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i forgot to credit the author of the quote. F. A. Hayek from his book "The Road to Serfdom", first published in 1944. my copy came from an antique store, a 50th Anniversary copy, for a whole dollar! :woohoo:
 
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xavier7995

...yes, the left clearly targets the non college educa...oh wait, you are wrong as shit.
 
...yes, the left clearly targets the non college educa...oh wait, you are wrong as shit.

The left indoctrinates thru the education system..its grotesque how the political left has hijacked the education system and put their ideology as precedence over education and knowledge.
 
in the hopes of educated poor,ignorant souls such as yourself!:biglaugh:


I am not poor and I am educated.. I am what they call "gifted" at math and physics..in college i was made to rewrite a physics exam as I completed in less then 1/4 of the allotted time and at a near perfect score..they assumed I cheated so I had to rewrite on my own under direct supervision which I aced as well....Anyways I see right thru the media propaganda and only wish the rest of you had the mental beans to do the same, the world would be a much better place.
 
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xavier7995

The left indoctrinates thru the education system..its grotesque how the political left has hijacked the education system and put their ideology as precedence over education and knowledge.


Honestly, given the rights rejection of science/logic/etc for the past few years, lol at this dumb bullshit. Break out some more youtube videos as "evidence" slugger.

There is no left/right in science/math/medicine/etc. There is right and wrong. One side continues to push wrong ass shit based on...i don't really know, but it isnt the folks backing actual facts that contemplate bleach enemas or use stupid terms like the kung flu. The right turned basic infectious disease control measures into some sort of culture war issue.
 

Fixer

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The left indoctrinates thru the education system..its grotesque how the political left has hijacked the education system and put their ideology as precedence over education and knowledge.


If you believe that facts are ideology I can understand why you believe that the left has hijacked the education system. What did you learn in school that you believe was twisted to try to make you into a liberal?
 
Honestly, given the rights rejection of science/logic/etc for the past few years, lol at this dumb bullshit. Break out some more youtube videos as "evidence" slugger.

There is no left/right in science/math/medicine/etc. There is right and wrong. One side continues to push wrong ass shit based on...i don't really know, but it isnt the folks backing actual facts that contemplate bleach enemas or use stupid terms like the kung flu. The right turned basic infectious disease control measures into some sort of culture war issue.

Yet according to the left there is 6 million different sexes..yet science says there are only two... the one thing you lefties do better then anyone else i blindly gaslight... usually when someone gaslights its deliberate but with the today's left they are doing it involuntarily and not even noticing...
 
If you believe that facts are ideology I can understand why you believe that the left has hijacked the education system. What did you learn in school that you believe was twisted to try to make you into a liberal?

this is a huge topic...! and yes 100% leftism has corrupted the education system.. Karen the teacher is all powerful right now and nobody has the guts to stand up to her as Karen in the HR department will have their head on a platter before the day is out....the left is authoritarianism at its finest..do and think a well tell you or else you too will be cancelled..
 

nepalnt21

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Yet according to the left there is 6 million different sexes..yet science says there are only two... the one thing you lefties do better then anyone else i blindly gaslight... usually when someone gaslights its deliberate but with the today's left they are doing it involuntarily and not even noticing...
science actually complicates the concept of sex, with genetic disorders and what not...

but that's beside the point.

the sociological concept of gender is not the same as biological sex.
 

'Boogieman'

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Just like the left will take over the Democratic party, libertarians will take over the Republican party. Partisans will still vote for the same party like nothing happened.
 

nepalnt21

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i can envision some splitting.

i hope.

i think the whole d vs r crapola has done too much damage, we are all pissed that the dnc can't help but put up tired old farts that we cringe to vote for, and the dnc vs bernie fiasco/ dnc corruption the last two elections will have a lasting effect on young voters.

the democratic party will still be the same career establishment dems, old ppl/ lifelong dems will still vote d

then there will be a progressive/ liberal/ radical party or two that will gain in prominence in the next decade.

same story with lifelong repubs, and there will be a reactionary conservative evangelical party like the tea party. maybe. trumpism seems to have done a lot of damage to the gop.

the more parties the better.

the libertarians will prolly split... the classical liberals and the unfettered capitalism libertards.
 

subrob

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I am not poor and I am educated.. I am what they call "gifted" at math and physics..in college i was made to rewrite a physics exam as I completed in less then 1/4 of the allotted time and at a near perfect score..they assumed I cheated so I had to rewrite on my own under direct supervision which I aced as well....Anyways I see right thru the media propaganda and only wish the rest of you had the mental beans to do the same, the world would be a much better place.

Bullshit. Grow up.
"I have the best words"
 

subrob

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this is a huge topic...! and yes 100% leftism has corrupted the education system.. Karen the teacher is all powerful right now and nobody has the guts to stand up to her as Karen in the HR department will have their head on a platter before the day is out....the left is authoritarianism at its finest..do and think a well tell you or else you too will be cancelled..

You think teachers have the power? This negates the validity of anything else you have to say on the subject.
 
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