Originally Posted by Tangwena
Hi my friend thanks for the kind words.
Regarding potency of highs it all starts with using the correct plant in the first place. I am sure you know that something grown on a hill in Columbia near the equator is not going to be the same as if I grow it at sea level in a cold climate or even indoors under lights.
Just because the buds are covered in resin or tested to be high THC doesn't mean your going to get a trippy high.
Most if not all the pot I have smoked since I left Africa years ago just gets you stoned highs are very few and far between.
Cob curing will not increase potency if its not there in the first place.
Its just a method of curing pot to make it smoother to smoke it also makes it useful to chew if you prefer to not smoke or cant as is my case.
To get a trippy effect from this cure you need first class trippy pot to begin with.
Grown properly, harvested at its peak for trippy effects and then cured the best way to bring these effects out.
Its extremely difficult to get all these things correct. Miss any one and you fail so giving it a shot will not get the results you seak.
Only dedicated growers of high quality trippy grass who know what they are doing and understand curing will ever get there.
The rest of us just keep trying to perfect the art of growing pot, curing pot and enjoying pot.
for putting me back on track, really. Hard to prove but I know all you pointed out but sometimes I forget about it and look for easy approaches.
Yes, it's all about the beginning and the right chosen phenotype, let alone strain.
Sad but true though the journey is the reward and all that again, yes? Funkyhorse
took the words out of my mouth sorta as I planned to ask you about that for some time but due to my general lack of time and stuff I only could ask now, cheers to both of you again!
Though while we're on it saying and knowing all that I have to mention that since some years due to science now 'indica' or 'sativa' is a very rough term to me and indeed not much saying about effects of a strain as terpenes seemingly are an strong(er) influence.
I mean when we talk about effects in particular!
wanting to hijack this thread or
discuss this any further so this is just food for thoughts sorta:
I'm talking first hand experiences here as when some others and myself united and grew for our very close circle of mates there were always some people involved looking for strains giving an uplifting effect[while they were mostly daily users and often all day long since years, sadly fitting the stereotype of a lazy pothead] and not 'demotivating' them so to speak.
Since I reckon I researched this plant to some degree(pharmacology, risks, advantages)it already was like searching for something non-existent as for sure this plant does have some stimulant effect(s) but it is indeed only a part and other cannabinoids and indeed terpenes play their role as well.
Not to forget about classic 'set', 'setting', one's individual body, form of the day, time of day and dosage while doing drugs in general.
Those mates obviously trusted some random seedbanks marketing a bit too much respectively they 'wanted to be a believer' instead of questioning their own consumption ; we discussed this a lot.
Looking at all those advertisements of seedbanks or even within the legalization movement I sometimes think they want to sell the new stimulant[cocaine/(meth-)amphetamine/caffeine] in general.
A promise this plant just can't keep without modifying it big time for certain cannabinoids while excluding others as other substances work like(read very selective indeed) that at your local pharmacy but this plant is a mixture of substances[cannabinoids].
as it is way more complicated(not claiming to sum this up all here it's still very rough).
I bet most of the gear advertised as 'up high' or 'stoned' wouldn't pass a (double)blind test and a good part is suggestion[set].
Again I think one's own mind[set]is another key factor as well as frequency of use is, too. Since as I said I'm pretty much of an occasional user since decades though I consume more often if on holidays(weeks e.g.)so I can handle a lot of effects due to long experience[good as well as bad ones] and as said generally like it as strong as possible(racy and trippy thoughts, euphoria, great feeling bodywise) instead of a half-baked(pun intended)functional high as some seedbanks advertise their strains as well.
While seeds are only one third of the whole experience and roughly 'set' and 'setting' are heavy influences as well while indeed seedbanks and others act as their merchandise is the most important part.
Of course if one is a medical user it is obvious to be in the need of it but I'm just talking about recreational use here
[instead of many among the legalization movement abuse the medically side of this plant to argue for recreational use which is another 'good intentions can go wrong' in the end and while I see somewhat good intention it's counterproductive in my eyes and should be handled separately].
According to their business orientated advertisements I'm curious what comes next? A strain 'for studying at university', one 'for driving your car better', 'enchancing sex', 'working better on the assembly line' or one for 'generally being more attractive'? Who knows?
Excuse my criticism towards such seedbanks/others and their marketing but this is just ridiculous though of course has to do with this society worldwide is becoming more and more about control, especially 'quantified self'/self-tracking movement ; a disgusting trend in society, control freaks to say the least.
Which means as a recreational user myself I stick to occasional use as on the regular my tolerance goes through the roof[when on holiday] and I'm left with a very reduced effect(bit euhporia and bit sedation)no matter how often I switch between strains or hashish(that's why in my humble opinion concentrates like oil became a lot more popular for consumers 'with a high tolerance' in recent years but again, you can't escape tolerance).
Just got handed some fine Moroc from a friend's box he stashed away, a tiny amount in a bong made me fly for a good time and we went to a small party without me having to consume again as I didn't consume at that point since a week(no 'tolerance break' as there is no scheme to do so at all in my case).
So again I wanna take a ride sorta if consuming not a watered down version.
Also I can add as a pretty anal person myself in many issues I pretty much prefer the first consumption of the day and probably like to get high more than to stay high sorta ; every new consumption on that very day is roughly only 'keeping up the high' with very reduced effects already if I don't triple my dosage, even with other strains or hashish, at one point I only get more tired faster no matter which strain while the first high of the day particularly makes me feel less tired to the end('what comes *up must comes down')and just often if 'couchlocked' or not feels pretty energetic to me compared to further experiencies on that day.
Though this doesn't mean with a 'low tolerance' I can consume any schwag and 'fly high as kite/stoned to the max' as schwag is still schwag which as an very experienced consumer I can distinguish compared to someone consuming one or two times a year ; the high may be a bit stronger but is easily handled by extensive experience as said if strong, medium or weak.
Also a high tolerance means shit as it is all about experience and one can't get higher than one with low tolerance apart from the individual body
So conclusion is
in my case that I stick to occasional use for the reasons above everything else is just turning this wonderful plant into a somewhat commodity and life is full of boring though necessarily routines, I'm fine, thanks - I prefer my idea of full enjoyment though have of course to underline again I respect other approaches
may they be medically or recreationally.
Also it is great to see that there is still enthusiasm in regards to this interesting plant to learn and improve more and more about it in general!
Not to forget too: the general high also depends on how much one consumes which means if one is smoking less of a sedative strain one is less sedative while experiencing a mild high and so on.
Just my two cents! Hope haven't regressed too heavily!
By the way one last point: As I said all the landrace stuff(Jamaica, Ghanian, Thai and others) coming to Europe or especially is being sold at coffeeshops or wherever is horribly commercial and so weak in effects I just use it every now and then as a filler for hashish.
I'm afraid there are not much better varieties(except for Jamaican maybe as I heard people rave about certain grades from the traditional landrace there ; though also "Thai sticks")at least what arrives here, some inner exclusive rich circles excluded here though.
I take it they are all not very potent landraces and indeed quite mixed due to open pollination and no real breeding work at all(selecting and all that on a big scale)and they're probably also rich in CBD which balances out the high more to me(for the record: I distinguish between highs leaning on the 'high side' or 'stoned side' as well as a mixture of both) ; as you put it also weed is different to resin for obvious reasons but latter one tends to make me a lot less tired especially when consuming all day as it is again working less 'selective' and indeed not concentrated(where definitely 'something' gets lost)if you get my drift.
Cheers for your input.
*I pretty much know your recipe for 'space coffee' as you put it as I used this for years myself to the point I couldn't anymore as the taste - that bitter certain taste it comes up with no matter which quality and organically grown gear(hashish/weed) and all that - became so disgusting to me. Figuratively to the point the yogurt jumped out of my mouth because my body is fighting and saying 'leave me alone', lol.
I tried a lot to mask that taste and ended up with something like e.g. BadKittySmiles'
* as a base and combine this with honey, maple sirup or agave syrup ; do the math as how strong you like and it works perfect with tea or whatever.
Taste is sadly still noticeably but a hell of a lot better, especially with beverages you just can down them easily.
I also hear you on the issues with coffeeshops and their handle of weed and hashish.
Personally I like it clean but luckywise not to a sick extent but already noticed before Covid19 and shit that hygiene rules(let alone health protection regarding nutrients, bacteria and stuff as all coming from the unregulated black market)are very rough though not many let customers touch their gear these days luckywise.
Though this was different back in the day and now during Covid19 they seemed to have learned more about that, better: were forced to take care a bit more. Otherwise I also agree about the miserable storage and all that.
It is very profit orientated but still somehow quite amateurish which to me on one hand(amateurish) has it's charm in this pseudo-perfect society and on the other has to do with the tolerated situation and mostly criminal gangs supplying them compared to some decades back where a bit more dedication was involved(though I heard this is also a problem with very professional gear sold officially in Canada/Usa as they might work and produce relatively fine though they are only in it often for the money. Though I prefer a professional approach to the half-baked, outdated dutch approach.).
Still go there mainly for a quick holiday from everyday's hustle and bustle and only secondarily focus on hashish mostly beside some days off ; it's a bonus and easily available though for the exceptional gear you have to track down other sources which again applies to the rest of the world and is only a bit easier there due to long time infrastructure).
I hear you also on the often very overpriced hashish from Asia(India, Pakistan, Nepal), most of the very best stays there anyway due to a culture established ages ago compared to Europe and most of the very best goes to Saudi Arabia and such for 'big money'.
Though talking about uppish highs in this thread I particularly find the best examples to be found in Europe of that type at least to be almost invisible sometimes highwise as it is more of a relaxed body and very focussed mind and I often recommend traditional hashish(no matter where from sorta)to people looking for a not so challenging high(especially at a low dosage) compared to thc-rich indoor weed.
I agree sorta with you on this metaphors about food though in case of hand made whipped hummus as a passionate eater of hummus myself whom learnt it from lebanese circles as well(not saying they invited this, I don't care as I like israeli, palestinian, syrian or wherever from as well)I have to say it is probably again only a matter of taste and not essential.
Essential are only two ingredients: love and dedication!